Does anyone else think suicide/SI is a natural reaction to living in this capitalist dystopia?

[xXSarac3nSlay3rXx]

yes thus is not capitalism but corporatism, you're getting there.... slowly.

Capitalism and corporatism are not mutually exclusive. You're nothing more than a bargain-basement civics teacher. . .

 

[ceelo]

Capitalism and corporatism are not mutually exclusive. You're nothing more than a bargain-basement civics teacher. . .

more ad hominem more projection more emotional insecurity, sad!

 

[DeadButDreaming]

Do you honestly believe people aren't suicidal in communist nations?

 

[xXSarac3nSlay3rXx]

more ad hominem more projection more emotional insecurity, sad!

I suppose you're an armchair psychologist now too. Try making an argument next time, dipshit.

 

[Emily123]

Yes . Capitalism turns people to invaluable slaves that spend all of their life in working and paying bills/tax . When you see yourself like a puppet in the hands of governments/rich people , you will not see any value in your life and you may suicide

 

[Pan]

Whether capitalist or corporatist, it matters little. I can't help but think a kind of apocalypse is looming; it really is all over isn't it? Human society appears to be entering a new Age of Darkness. Small wonder that the suicide rate world wide is higher than it has ever been. What's more, there is no exit, no way out, short of catching the bus.

 

[ceelo]

I suppose you're an armchair psychologist now too. Try making an argument next time, dipshit.

lmao the absolute state of you honestly.

 

[After The End]

Yes, I do think there is a connection between what the OP calls capitalist dystopia and suicide, but I don't think it has much to do with the material challenges it imposes on people. We're genetically evolved to thrive in violent, ruthlessly competitive environments, and to do so at the subsistence level and our genes are bequeathed to us by generations who, for close to a million years, managed both in conditions that are materially far worse than even the poorest people have to deal with now.

But they did this as part of close-knit groups with common goals, and that's where the developed world tends to fail. Actual communities with anything but the most superficial ties are a bit of a faux-pas for large demographics.

Any sense of extended family doesn't really exist anymore outside of certain minority cultures. The nuclear family is becoming a relic and even stable romantic partnerships are disappearing among the underclass who can only really connect with the opposite sex via hook-up culture. Without a stable family children are way too expensive a luxury for most, and more likely to make you miserable and complicate your life than provide a sustaining sense of purpose and achievement, and that's if they even remain in your life.

A lucky few obtain a sense of accomplishment and belonging from their vocation or craft, but the majority are just clock-punchers working for money.

Civic and political involvement is irrelevant if you have no stake in the system, and political participation simply means, 'which of two pre-prepared sets of facts and narratives do you prefer,' policy-wise there is little distinction. Nothing to really support. Hence the proliferation of banal, platitudinous crusades with nonsensically abstract or childishly vague feel-good objectives which tend to devolve into effective self-satire the instant they get a little influence or money.

Patriotism and nationalism are either very controversial or and out right faux pas.

Western culture has become utterly neurotic. There's no sense of belonging or pride there. It actively cultivates the opposite.

Religion doesn't work anymore. The transcendent and any sense of the numinous are out of style and most don't even try to provide it. Cheap, commercialized facsimiles have taken over.

 

[ceelo]

Religion doesn't work anymore. The transcendent and any sense of the numinous are out of style. Cheap, commercialized facsimiles have taken over.

we turned our back on god now god has turned his back on us.,

 

[Crazy Squirrel]

40 hours work week should be pretty manageable for an average person between 18 and 60 years of age. tbh .

No way, that's way too much! Besides, you're not factoring in the time it takes to get ready and to commute back and forth to work. Those two things also take away from one's leisure time.

 

[xXSarac3nSlay3rXx]

lmao the absolute state of you honestly.

Well, you've clearly got nothing left to say. Later, fucker!

 

[Wisdom3_1-9]

This was a really interesting topic. I hope we can surpass the uncivil arguments and return to discussing the topic at hand before the thread gets closed.

 

[iDieUDie80]

A combination of capitalist + state bullshit, I would say.

 

[epic]

No way, that's way too much!

'""" Now, researchers at the universities of Cambridge and Salford have set out to define a recommended "dosage" of work for optimal wellbeing.

They examined how changes in working hours were linked to mental health and life satisfaction in over 70,000 UK residents between 2009 and 2018*.

The study, published today in the journal Social Science and Medicine, shows that when people moved from unemployment or stay-at-home parenting into paid work of eight hours or less a week, their risk of mental health problems reduced by an average of 30%.

Yet researchers found no evidence that working any more than eight hours provided further boosts to wellbeing. The full-time standard of 37 to 40 hours was not significantly different to any other working time category when it came to mental health.

As such, they suggest that to get the mental wellbeing benefits of paid work, the most "effective dose" is only around one day a week – as anything more makes little difference. """

^ Source: https://www.cam.ac.uk/employmentdosage

".... when people moved from unemployment or stay-at-home parenting into paid work of eight hours or less a week, their risk of mental health problems reduced by an average of 30%."

Working 40 hours a week paid, reduces mental health problems of people as compared to unemployed folks. The ideal working dose found in the research is 1 day a week only but that would be too low to support the productivity that our lifestyle requires.

Besides, you're not factoring in the time it takes to get ready and to commute back and forth to work. Those two things also take away from one's leisure time.

Totally agree , It does takes away from the leisure time. It is not a "capitalist" or "communist" problem though. It has lots of variables like urbanization, distance of industrial zones from residential areas, road planning, city planning, type of work(In software countries you can work from home). However capitalist countries like USA actually have better transport infrastructure then socialist or communist countries .If anything that should reduce one's transport time.
source : https://www.statista.com/chart/15821/who-has-the-best-roads/#:~:text=According to this report, Singapore,and 6.2 out of 7.

 

[xXSarac3nSlay3rXx]

This was a really interesting topic. I hope we can surpass the uncivil arguments and return to discussing the topic at hand before the thread gets closed.

Well, the very premise of this forum is considered taboo and uncivil by most of society. This being an 18+ community, I think we should all be able to stomach a few potty words.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I'd appreciate it if we could have this discussion without throwing insults at each other, thanks.

 

[JGT]

"40 hours work week should be pretty manageable for an average person between 18 and 60 years of age. tbh ."

That is way too much for me!!!

No time for anything else!!!

 

[Pan]

As the gulf continues to widen between the elites and everyone else, it is a comfort to know that ctb. gives us a way our from this tragicomedy. called capitalism. As for me, I have no intention of scrambling for a seat in the lifeboat when the ship sinks. CTB, at least for me, is a matter of pride. Not me, ever. When the ship sinks,I go down with it.

 

[Thatdude]

No because suicide has been around since pretty much the first person could understand who they were. It has nothing to do with capitalist, socialist, or any other gov system. However, yes I think when a system has a fall out or if you find yourself with no way to improve your life with the hate of your current life. Yes that can cause people to die.
And it doesn't even have to be something against the system. As someone who is autistic but educated, I have the lowest chance of getting a job compared to all other disabilities. I've tried a number of things to improve my life and still am trying, but I'm quickly running out of new methods. And then to top it off I have a shit family overall with some of them being drug addicts & I have to take care of their kids. Can I blame the government or the economy? Maybe. But In all honesty, it is a number of things and I'm not seeing a way out. So I blame the situation and bad luck over anything else.

 

[rhiino]

So I blame the situation and bad luck over anything else.

For many people the modern world and the system creates the situation in the first place. Of course suicide exists since humans exist, but it is a question of how often people see no other option.

 

[Pan]

I agree; I am not religious when I say this, but I sense an apocalypse looming; I have no intention of fighting for a seat on one of the lifeboats (if there are any, that is). Ctb is the only recourse, the only exit. I will go down with the sinking ship.

 

[AllReturnsToNothing]

I'm sure Marx or someone wrote something about that. Idk, I never actually finished the Communist Manifesto reading theory is cool and all but reading about how all these dudes living in the 17th century pretty much predicted the current hellish dystopia beyond parody that we all live in now just makes me want to ctb that much more so I have to avoid it. I'll tell ya what though as someone who is an "undesirable" under the current capitalist system I wanna ctb so bad it hurts.

 

[Thatdude]

For many people the modern world and the system creates the situation in the first place. Of course suicide exists since humans exist, but it is a question of how often people see no other option.

I think it's happening less compared with the ratio of people alive vs people offing themselves. I think the internet brings more options, but I'm just pulling this out of my ass. Sadly, I think the number of people offing themselves is messed with in most areas. Like this COVID thing where some countries and areas wanted to say what policy they did is working. But they demanded that the hospitals stop testing under threat of the hospital not being able to function in the area any more. So who knows?

 

[Useless Idiot]

No, Capitalism is by far the best economic system for providing good living standards. Open a world map and mark all the countries which are capitalistic USA,Europe(except for healthcare),Saudi Arabia,South Korea,Japan al these countries have a much better standard of living than socialist or communist countries like Cuba,Vietnam,Bangladesh,Soviet Union(former). GDP , life expectancy, poverty rates are all better for capitalist countries.
The best example in today's times is China, after it's open door policy in 1970's and privatization of many sectors ( all capitalist policies), the country is going to emerge as an economic superpower in the near future. China's poverty rate fell from 88 percent in 1981 to 0.7 percent in 2015, as measured by the percentage of people living on the equivalent of US$1.90 or less per day in 2011 purchasing price parity terms.
Suicide is caused by a number of causes. It is difficult to pin it down to just "capitalism". Infact for the reasons stated above, an average suicidal person will be much better off, living in a capitalist country then any other economic system.

Its pure nonsense. Cuba is in trouble brcause of US. Vietnam is developed. And in Soviet Union everyone was meant to be provided with food wnd housing. And Bangladesh has much less suicide rate than US and most capitalist countries.
Capitalism is not the best economic option. Communism is. In capitalist vountries some people will always have poverty. Some people will always die of hunger. And theres nothing to do about it.

 

[kanamycinklavsta]

Its pure nonsense. Cuba is in trouble brcause of US. Vietnam is developed. And in Soviet Union everyone was meant to be provided with food wnd housing. And Bangladesh has much less suicide rate than US and most capitalist countries.
Capitalism is not the best economic option. Communism is. In capitalist vountries some people will always have poverty. Some people will always die of hunger. And theres nothing to do about it.

Yeah. I'm Vietnamese living in Vietnam, want to ctb for my own reasons apart of the state of the world. Every time I visit the states my depression gets worse because of the system. No fucking joke. In the states right now and I can't wait until i'm back
I understand it's all anecdotal but i thought i'd mention that Vietnam has a larger sense of community than the states does. There is always something to do, and people to talk to. People bond over being Vietnamese together. But we also bond with others who are tourists deciding to visit our country. In the states it just feels so cold and commercial. I don't know how to explain it. Everytime I try bonding with people it does not feel real, and there are not many places to go and do this. I understand the bias because I am in Vietnam more than the states, but I am mixed and can see the clear difference. People come to Vietnam because of the sense of community and density of the city