xXSarac3nSlay3rXx
“Leaving this world is not as scary as it sounds.”
- Mar 3, 2019
- 248
Capitalism and corporatism are not mutually exclusive. You're nothing more than a bargain-basement civics teacher. . .
DeadButDreaming
Specialist
- Jun 16, 2020
- 362
xXSarac3nSlay3rXx
“Leaving this world is not as scary as it sounds.”
- Mar 3, 2019
- 248
I suppose you're an armchair psychologist now too. Try making an argument next time, dipshit.
Yes . Capitalism turns people to invaluable slaves that spend all of their life in working and paying bills/tax . When you see yourself like a puppet in the hands of governments/rich people , you will not see any value in your life and you may suicide
Whether capitalist or corporatist, it matters little. I can't help but think a kind of apocalypse is looming; it really is all over isn't it? Human society appears to be entering a new Age of Darkness. Small wonder that the suicide rate world wide is higher than it has ever been. What's more, there is no exit, no way out, short of catching the bus.
After The End
The lily whispers, “I wait.”
- Jul 31, 2019
- 135
Yes, I do think there is a connection between what the OP calls capitalist dystopia and suicide, but I don't think it has much to do with the material challenges it imposes on people. We're genetically evolved to thrive in violent, ruthlessly competitive environments, and to do so at the subsistence level and our genes are bequeathed to us by generations who, for close to a million years, managed both in conditions that are materially far worse than even the poorest people have to deal with now.
But they did this as part of close-knit groups with common goals, and that's where the developed world tends to fail. Actual communities with anything but the most superficial ties are a bit of a faux-pas for large demographics.
Any sense of extended family doesn't really exist anymore outside of certain minority cultures. The nuclear family is becoming a relic and even stable romantic partnerships are disappearing among the underclass who can only really connect with the opposite sex via hook-up culture. Without a stable family children are way too expensive a luxury for most, and more likely to make you miserable and complicate your life than provide a sustaining sense of purpose and achievement, and that's if they even remain in your life.
A lucky few obtain a sense of accomplishment and belonging from their vocation or craft, but the majority are just clock-punchers working for money.
Civic and political involvement is irrelevant if you have no stake in the system, and political participation simply means, 'which of two pre-prepared sets of facts and narratives do you prefer,' policy-wise there is little distinction. Nothing to really support. Hence the proliferation of banal, platitudinous crusades with nonsensically abstract or childishly vague feel-good objectives which tend to devolve into effective self-satire the instant they get a little influence or money.
Patriotism and nationalism are either very controversial or and out right faux pas.
Western culture has become utterly neurotic. There's no sense of belonging or pride there. It actively cultivates the opposite.
Religion doesn't work anymore. The transcendent and any sense of the numinous are out of style and most don't even try to provide it. Cheap, commercialized facsimiles have taken over.
But they did this as part of close-knit groups with common goals, and that's where the developed world tends to fail. Actual communities with anything but the most superficial ties are a bit of a faux-pas for large demographics.
Any sense of extended family doesn't really exist anymore outside of certain minority cultures. The nuclear family is becoming a relic and even stable romantic partnerships are disappearing among the underclass who can only really connect with the opposite sex via hook-up culture. Without a stable family children are way too expensive a luxury for most, and more likely to make you miserable and complicate your life than provide a sustaining sense of purpose and achievement, and that's if they even remain in your life.
A lucky few obtain a sense of accomplishment and belonging from their vocation or craft, but the majority are just clock-punchers working for money.
Civic and political involvement is irrelevant if you have no stake in the system, and political participation simply means, 'which of two pre-prepared sets of facts and narratives do you prefer,' policy-wise there is little distinction. Nothing to really support. Hence the proliferation of banal, platitudinous crusades with nonsensically abstract or childishly vague feel-good objectives which tend to devolve into effective self-satire the instant they get a little influence or money.
Patriotism and nationalism are either very controversial or and out right faux pas.
Western culture has become utterly neurotic. There's no sense of belonging or pride there. It actively cultivates the opposite.
Religion doesn't work anymore. The transcendent and any sense of the numinous are out of style and most don't even try to provide it. Cheap, commercialized facsimiles have taken over.
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Crazy Squirrel
"Me hates life and me wants to die, zansu!"
- Jul 26, 2020
- 19
No way, that's way too much! Besides, you're not factoring in the time it takes to get ready and to commute back and forth to work. Those two things also take away from one's leisure time.
xXSarac3nSlay3rXx
“Leaving this world is not as scary as it sounds.”
- Mar 3, 2019
- 248
This was a really interesting topic. I hope we can surpass the uncivil arguments and return to discussing the topic at hand before the thread gets closed.
iDieUDie80
Arcanist
- Jul 6, 2020
- 403
epic
Enlightened
- Aug 9, 2019
- 1,813
'""" Now, researchers at the universities of Cambridge and Salford have set out to define a recommended "dosage" of work for optimal wellbeing.
They examined how changes in working hours were linked to mental health and life satisfaction in over 70,000 UK residents between 2009 and 2018*.
The study, published today in the journal Social Science and Medicine, shows that when people moved from unemployment or stay-at-home parenting into paid work of eight hours or less a week, their risk of mental health problems reduced by an average of 30%.
Yet researchers found no evidence that working any more than eight hours provided further boosts to wellbeing. The full-time standard of 37 to 40 hours was not significantly different to any other working time category when it came to mental health.
As such, they suggest that to get the mental wellbeing benefits of paid work, the most "effective dose" is only around one day a week – as anything more makes little difference. """
^ Source: https://www.cam.ac.uk/employmentdosage
".... when people moved from unemployment or stay-at-home parenting into paid work of eight hours or less a week, their risk of mental health problems reduced by an average of 30%."
Working 40 hours a week paid, reduces mental health problems of people as compared to unemployed folks. The ideal working dose found in the research is 1 day a week only but that would be too low to support the productivity that our lifestyle requires.
Totally agree , It does takes away from the leisure time. It is not a "capitalist" or "communist" problem though. It has lots of variables like urbanization, distance of industrial zones from residential areas, road planning, city planning, type of work(In software countries you can work from home). However capitalist countries like USA actually have better transport infrastructure then socialist or communist countries .If anything that should reduce one's transport time.
source : https://www.statista.com/chart/15821/who-has-the-best-roads/#:~:text=According to this report, Singapore,and 6.2 out of 7.
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xXSarac3nSlay3rXx
“Leaving this world is not as scary as it sounds.”
- Mar 3, 2019
- 248
Well, the very premise of this forum is considered taboo and uncivil by most of society. This being an 18+ community, I think we should all be able to stomach a few potty words.
RainAndSadness
Administrator
- Jun 12, 2018
- 2,133
I'd appreciate it if we could have this discussion without throwing insults at each other, thanks.
"40 hours work week should be pretty manageable for an average person between 18 and 60 years of age. tbh ."
That is way too much for me!!!
No time for anything else!!!
That is way too much for me!!!
No time for anything else!!!
As the gulf continues to widen between the elites and everyone else, it is a comfort to know that ctb. gives us a way our from this tragicomedy. called capitalism. As for me, I have no intention of scrambling for a seat in the lifeboat when the ship sinks. CTB, at least for me, is a matter of pride. Not me, ever. When the ship sinks,I go down with it.
No because suicide has been around since pretty much the first person could understand who they were. It has nothing to do with capitalist, socialist, or any other gov system. However, yes I think when a system has a fall out or if you find yourself with no way to improve your life with the hate of your current life. Yes that can cause people to die.
And it doesn't even have to be something against the system. As someone who is autistic but educated, I have the lowest chance of getting a job compared to all other disabilities. I've tried a number of things to improve my life and still am trying, but I'm quickly running out of new methods. And then to top it off I have a shit family overall with some of them being drug addicts & I have to take care of their kids. Can I blame the government or the economy? Maybe. But In all honesty, it is a number of things and I'm not seeing a way out. So I blame the situation and bad luck over anything else.
And it doesn't even have to be something against the system. As someone who is autistic but educated, I have the lowest chance of getting a job compared to all other disabilities. I've tried a number of things to improve my life and still am trying, but I'm quickly running out of new methods. And then to top it off I have a shit family overall with some of them being drug addicts & I have to take care of their kids. Can I blame the government or the economy? Maybe. But In all honesty, it is a number of things and I'm not seeing a way out. So I blame the situation and bad luck over anything else.
rhiino
Arcanist
- May 13, 2020
- 462
For many people the modern world and the system creates the situation in the first place. Of course suicide exists since humans exist, but it is a question of how often people see no other option.
I agree; I am not religious when I say this, but I sense an apocalypse looming; I have no intention of fighting for a seat on one of the lifeboats (if there are any, that is). Ctb is the only recourse, the only exit. I will go down with the sinking ship.
I'm sure Marx or someone wrote something about that. Idk, I never actually finished the Communist Manifesto reading theory is cool and all but reading about how all these dudes living in the 17th century pretty much predicted the current hellish dystopia beyond parody that we all live in now just makes me want to ctb that much more so I have to avoid it. I'll tell ya what though as someone who is an "undesirable" under the current capitalist system I wanna ctb so bad it hurts.
I think it's happening less compared with the ratio of people alive vs people offing themselves. I think the internet brings more options, but I'm just pulling this out of my ass. Sadly, I think the number of people offing themselves is messed with in most areas. Like this COVID thing where some countries and areas wanted to say what policy they did is working. But they demanded that the hospitals stop testing under threat of the hospital not being able to function in the area any more. So who knows?
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