Check your post/DM history following MDS takedown

[losing hope]

I don't know if I am being paranoid here, but following MDS takedown, I am just checking my post history / DM for any talk about MDS SN with members here. Where there is talk I'm including the below to protect all concerned;

"Hi mate. Just wanted to say the only reason I have verified xxxxxxxxx details with you is to access a particular meat curing salt for your home meat curing hobby. And for no other reason. PLEASE DO NOT INGEST SN. Also all our talk about ctb methods, is purely for research purposes of course. And for no other reason. I hope you understand why I am saying this."


Would suggest others perhaps consider their post history as well. I'm prob being paranoid since I complied with the forum rules for this long, and am only pro-choice after suggesting ppl consider ALL their options and are old enough and of sound mind etc. But following that BBC news article on the MDS take down & how many UK ctb'ed are linked. It is clear BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING THIS FORUM!!!

 

[Geengezondementalit]

I ordered from him. I find it fascinating that his fb profile is public. And also fascinating to put a face on the man that I emailed. I'm sad that he got exposed
Anyone can google Leonid Zakutenko...

 

[losing hope]

Also he put his name on orders...see below. And his face was on BBC news, so its not like @Geengezondementalit was outing his ID, where he was trying to hide it. He also had whatsapp no on his website, and his email wasn't secure. So he wasn't very security minded. Hence why his packages were being incepted months ago yet he was still trading.

I would also like to see what kind of ppl are running these operations & how. To help tighten / improve security, perhaps for their replacement.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

he wasn't very security minded

Well that explains why he was also caught, he didn't have really good security or anonymity.

 

[Tears in Rain]

Also he put his name on orders...see below. And his face was on BBC news, so its not like @Geengezondementalit was outing his ID, where he was trying to hide it. He also had whatsapp no on his website, and his email wasn't secure. So he wasn't very security minded. Hence why his packages were being incepted months ago yet he was still trading.

Not sure if people should be putting up this much info about interactions with him. Easy fodder for reporters.

 

[losing hope]

Well that explains why he was also caught, he didn't have really good security or anonymity.

You can see why I said the other day, I would happily test someone else SN if it proves difficult to get hold of in the UK. It might seriously come to that. Us Brits having to fly to our former colonies countries like US, Australia, India etc, to be their guinea pigs, testing their SN. Just to "meat cure" let's call it.

How ironic for us descends of the once all mighty British empire.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

Can someone explain why this Ukraine guy was called MDS?

 

[Naked Weapon]

Can someone explain why this Ukraine guy was called MDS?

It's an abbreviation of his store name.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

You can see why I said the other day, I would happily test someone else SN if it proves difficult to get hold of in the UK. It might seriously come to that. Us Brits having to fly to our former colonies countries like US, Australia, India etc, to be their guinea pigs, testing their SN. Just to "meat cure" let's call it.

How ironic for us descends of the once all mighty British empire.

yeah, what you said to me a few days ago makes sense now. It's still seriously lax from his side plus didn't he see what happened to Law when you send packages to the UK, there's a damn good chance it'll come back to hurt and now it did.

 

[butternutsquash]

Governments are definitely monitoring this website. When police came to my house for a wellness check before, they mentioned to my mom that they were aware due to my search history that I had been on this website prior (this was before I made my account and just browsed as a guest). I don't know if MDS was taken down directly because someone from some government connected the dots or if it was because of the individual reporter. Could be either. Honestly I found the source of MDS by just typing "buy sodium nitrite" into my search engine and looked until a website name that "MDS" could stand for showed up. It was ridiculously easy to find it even without anyone directly giving me a source so I'm honestly surprised that it took this long for it to get shut down. The next source to pop up selling SN needs to take actual security precautions so this shit doesn't happen again. Not having a website at all might help, I know people who sell stuff directly through their proton email address and only accept a handful of clients at a time. Far more secure.

 

[Geengezondementalit]

Governments are definitely monitoring this website. When police came to my house for a wellness check before, they mentioned to my mom that they were aware due to my search history that I had been on this website prior (this was before I made my account and just browsed as a guest). I don't know if MDS was taken down directly because someone from some government connected the dots or if it was because of the individual reporter. Could be either. Honestly I found the source of MDS by just typing "buy sodium nitrite" into my search engine and looked until a website name that "MDS" could stand for showed up. It was ridiculously easy to find it even without anyone directly giving me a source so I'm honestly surprised that it took this long for it to get shut down. The next source to pop up selling SN needs to take actual security precautions so this shit doesn't happen again. Not having a website at all might help, I know people who sell stuff directly through their proton email address and only accept a handful of clients at a time. Far more secure.

how can the police go through your search history?

how can the police go through your search history?

or the government?

 

[hematomatema]

Governments are definitely monitoring this website. When police came to my house for a wellness check before, they mentioned to my mom that they were aware due to my search history that I had been on this website prior (this was before I made my account and just browsed as a guest).

To be fair, I think it'd be more surprising if government-affiliated individuals weren't actively monitoring this site...although, knowing that they know that I'm here is a little freaky. Means if/when I order SN, I'll have to be more subtle I guess?

 

[butternutsquash]

how can the police go through your search history?

or the government?

When I was younger and dumber I didn't use search engines like tor and other services to block what I was accessing. It might be different depending on the country you live in but where I live, under the Mental Health Act, if the police have a reason to suspect you are doing something or accessing website that could pose a danger to your safety they can force your internet provider to give them any information they want. Your internet provider, unless you're doing something that blocks what you're doing, is able to see literally anything you're doing that requires the internet connection they're providing you. So because I had a history of failed suicide attempts, the police had put my name on some watch list that made it so they technically could see whatever I was doing on the internet, whether it was something as simple as watching a YouTube video or as nsfw as porn. Definitely an invasion of privacy which is why I'm a lot more cautious now

 

[Geengezondementalit]

When I was younger and dumber I didn't use search engines like tor and other services to block what I was accessing. It might be different depending on the country you live in but where I live, under the Mental Health Act, if the police have a reason to suspect you are doing something or accessing website that could pose a danger to your safety they can force your internet provider to give them any information they want. Your internet provider, unless you're doing something that blocks what you're doing, is able to see literally anything you're doing that requires the internet connection they're providing you. So because I had a history of failed suicide attempts, the police had put my name on some watch list that made it so they technically could see whatever I was doing on the internet, whether it was something as simple as watching a YouTube video or as nsfw as porn. Definitely an invasion of privacy which is why I'm a lot more cautious now

Wow what an invasion of privacy! I can't imagine that because I live in Belgium en privacy is huge here I feel

 

[butternutsquash]

When I was younger and dumber I didn't use search engines like tor and other services to block what I was accessing. It might be different depending on the country you live in but where I live, under the Mental Health Act, if the police have a reason to suspect you are doing something or accessing website that could pose a danger to your safety they can force your internet provider to give them any information they want. Your internet provider, unless you're doing something that blocks what you're doing, is able to see literally anything you're doing that requires the internet connection they're providing you. So because I had a history of failed suicide attempts, the police had put my name on some watch list that made it so they technically could see whatever I was doing on the internet, whether it was something as simple as watching a YouTube video or as nsfw as porn. Definitely an invasion of privacy which is why I'm a lot more cautious now

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I have some government agent watching what I do 24/7, the government doesn't give a shit about me that much. But they do have it that if they wanna have access and look what I've been doing for the hell of it they can.

 

[Old Friend]

Wow what an invasion of privacy! I can't imagine that because I live in Belgium en privacy is huge here I feel

I'd be surprised if Belgium was any better than the rest.

Governments snooping on people is nothing new. They've always done it by bugging phones, intercepting mail and using secret agents. The digital world has just made it much easier.

 

[Geengezondementalit]

Yeah of course the Belgian government can also find anything they want about me because of internet, but I'm just an unimportant nobody so why would they

 

[Old Friend]

Because they're not in favour of people buying SN and killing themselves with it.

In the old days, such things as bugging and tapping might have only been reserved for serious individuals who held valuable information or were threats to national security but these days, monitoring a "nobody" online takes relatively little setting up and not nearly as much manpower to monitor.

 

[losing hope]

I'd be surprised if Belgium was any better than the rest.

Governments snooping on people is nothing new. They've always done it by bugging phones, intercepting mail and using secret agents. The digital world has just made it much easier.

The more government / LE eyes there are on us doing nothing illegal here, but talking about getting into "meat curing". That means the less government / LE eyes there are going after MDS's replacement. Especially in the UK with the current lack of public sector resources.

What I am trying to say is to fight back against these evil people, I am "using up" their time. For example I am requesting "subject access requests" from my doctors, NHS, police, and every other gov dept. Because that is my DEMOCRATIC right! Money talks so by wasting their time, they will soon get fed up of losing & move on.

 

[losing hope]

Morning all, Just woken up in East Germany.... sorry I mean Nazi...Excuse me, I mean the UK today the first news story to hit me; https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68451333

Even though this forum is the most caring place I've ever known in my 42 years in East Germany.... sorry I mean Nazi...Excuse me, I mean the UK. I mean ppl here are willing to risk police interaction, to help internet strangers, without PROFITING. What other online forum would you find that kindness & caring for their fellow man? In my experience, other internet forums are places where ppl just throw hate at one another.


We have to be aware, that the BBC, police, govs etc see us as "extremists undermining democracy" & pro-suicide (not pro-choice, which is what we are). So all the more reason to listen to the advice about checking your post history in OP, to protect you, SN sources and others i'd say. Once your post/DM history is completely clean, then you can have some fun F##king with their soul as explained here;



As said in the post above I'm "using up" LE & gov officials time by doing "subject access requests" sending letters to my MP complaining about time consuming issues & knowing their office has to respond etc. Lets flip things and start playing BIG BROTHER with the government. Especially given there will be an election in the UK this year (prob May/June time) so all politicians will be our bitches trying to win our vote until then.

This form of f##king with them is almost as fun as real sex!!!

 

[RemainingDubious]

I don't know if I am being paranoid here, but following MDS takedown, I am just checking my post history / DM for any talk about MDS SN with members here. Where there is talk I'm including the below to protect all concerned;

"Hi mate. Just wanted to say the only reason I have verified xxxxxxxxx details with you is to access a particular meat curing salt for your home meat curing hobby. And for no other reason. PLEASE DO NOT INGEST SN. Also all our talk about ctb methods, is purely for research purposes of course. And for no other reason. I hope you understand why I am saying this."


Would suggest others perhaps consider their post history as well. I'm prob being paranoid since I complied with the forum rules for this long, and am only pro-choice after suggesting ppl consider ALL their options and are old enough and of sound mind etc. But following that BBC news article on the MDS take down & how many UK ctb'ed are linked. It is clear BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING THIS FORUM!!!

Look at the information in this article and how old it was

Victims' families call for end of 'death cult' online forums

Websites, found through a simple internet search, connect vulnerable people with thousands of forum members who provide instructions on how to end their lives.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Notice the bbc haven't made the story about how the information has been know for years and how customs didn't stop it. BIG BROTHER was turning a blind eye or customs isn't fit for purpose.

i don't know how they find this site more responsible for deaths and not the government for failing to act on information years ago.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

i don't know how they find this site more responsible for deaths and not the government for failing to act on information years ago

So they knew about him (MDS) for a while but just left him alone?

 

[losing hope]

All the pressure is coming from the parents of those who ctb. Like the mum of Joe Nihill; https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2...r-ban-on-website-which-encouraged-his-suicide These so-called "caring" parents, are trying to deflect attention from the fact that their sons/daughters went looking for this forum IN THE FIRST PLACE? Let's consider, why that would be?

Perhaps their parenting was shit to start off with, IIRC Joe was only 20 so barely out of childhood, when he ctb'ed. So Obviously His mother (the one trying to close us down) had a lot to do with his suicide. Good luck getting her to admit this. Brexit showed the world, us Brits LOVE to blame others for our faults....here's a good book on this; https://www.amazon.com/Team-Lotus-Beyond-Colin-Chapman/dp/B087L72WJQ Amy Winehouse's dad is another example of this trait;


To BBC news reporters / Gov officials / LE. Whist your running around over SN... rather than tackle the mental health / NHS crisis in the UK. We'll just stay about 10 steps ahead of you like with these; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67589364 How you gonna stop these & BITCHES?!?

IMO these bad boys could be an alternative to SN or N. I remember thinking I need to research these more after reading the two threads @Proper Overdoser posted: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/whats-in-your-suicide-kit-i-study-pharmacology.113882/ & https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...to-death-legally-i-study-pharmacology.114484/

Thinking this might be the new SN & boy do I hope so. Lets keep an eye out for any confirmed (either here or outside of SaSu) ctb's using this method; https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/nitazenes.144503/#post-2377708 When time allows will post whatever research I find about SN alternatives here, as that will keep BIG BROTHER busy chasing their tails. or as David Googins calls it "f##king with their souls."

 

[Deleted member 65988]

All the pressure is coming from the parents of those who ctb. Like the mum of Joe Nihill; https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2...r-ban-on-website-which-encouraged-his-suicide These so-called "caring" parents, are trying to deflect attention from the fact that their sons/daughters went looking for this forum IN THE FIRST PLACE? Let's consider, why that would be?

Ok so if the pressure didn't come from the parents then does this mean they wouldn't have battered in eyelid at all.

Also to your point, as much as the parents blame the forum or anyone else for their kid's death, it was ultimately the decision of their son or daughter to take their lives, nobody here forces anyone to take sn, or even encouraged anyone to take and even if they did, it's still rests upon the individual whose even contemplating, let alone, planning to end their life who has the final decision to make. I just think that the aggrieved and angered parents cannot accept that their kid's hid all of this from them long enough to where it all unraveled after thier passing.

 

[Circles]

Regardless until we are able to delete our own stuff and what we ourselves think what we should delete then it's pointless. Besides the messages in our profiles, the mods won't let you delete anything on your own. You can contact them about deleting your posts, yes, but I doubt they'll have the time or want to delete all the things you think should be deleted.

I understand the need for 'content' but I feel that things are heating up to the point that the average user here in the future would have to be more careful about what they say. I also understand that technically we are aren't doing anything illegal per se. But I'd rather be safe than sorry and not have to worry about a welfare check just because I or someone else said something their governments see as illegal.

 

[losing hope]

Ok so if the pressure didn't come from the parents then does this mean they wouldn't have battered in eyelid at all.

I think things would have been slower on this front, and the government would have a more "nationally minded (i.e. better) strategy" to tackle mental health. Like improving the NHS for instance? With those parent's getting involved this means local councils are basically having to REACT to parent's annoying them rather than be PROACTIVE, and work on building a better mental health system. Simliar to how doctors just treat your immediate symptoms rather than look at the deep rooted cause of medical probs, as they don't have the time. And in the UK time is money. Case in point, read this;

£1m safety fence work at Scammonden Bridge begins

Project to install new barriers is underway after years of claims that nothing could be done

www.examinerlive.co.uk

"The project came after years of claims the bridge was too difficult to upgrade....In 2018 West Yorkshire coroner Peter Merchant demanded urgent action after hearing police had been called to 32 incidents involving people at the bridge in four years....Despite the economic blow dealt by coronavirus, highways officials have now kept their promise to act and work to install a 2.4m high curved fence is now well underway and expected to continue until August."


They put in those suicide barriers basically to get the parents of ctb'ers of their backs. Now read this thread from post # 6 in this thread; https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/advice-on-jumping.134030/#post-2237259 where I quote; "they did put up anti suicide barriers. But small ladder would be a simple solution." That kind of sums up the UK's current approach to ctb'ing & mentally ill. Wasting lots of tax payers money, just because parents couldn't look after their sons or daughters properly & want to shift their blame onto ctb'ing methods. Crazy!

Regardless until we are able to delete our own stuff and what we ourselves think what we should delete then it's pointless. Besides the messages in our profiles, the mods won't let you delete anything on your own. You can contact them about deleting your posts, yes, but I doubt they'll have the time or want to delete all the things you think should be deleted.

I understand the need for 'content' but I feel that things are heating up to the point that the average user here in the future would have to be more careful about what they say. I also understand that technically we are aren't doing anything illegal per se. But I'd rather be safe than sorry and not have to worry about a welfare check just because I or someone else said something their governments see as illegal.

It's not about deleting old content, rather just adding in the below disclaimer to anything that MIGHT, I repeat MIGHT cause you to worry. When I am 10000000000000000000% my post / DM history is secure & what I am saying on here is LEGAL & comes under "free speech". Then I'm going to "f##k with Pro-lifers" as David Googins advises how to do in that vid above. Below is the disclaimer I am adding where I feel I need to....

"Hi mate. Just wanted to say the only reason I have verified xxxxxxxxx details with you is to access a particular meat curing salt for your home meat curing hobby. And for no other reason. PLEASE DO NOT INGEST SN. Also all our talk about ctb methods, is purely for research purposes of course. And for no other reason. I hope you understand why I am saying this."

 

[Deleted member 65988]

With those parent's getting involved this means local councils are basically having to REACT to parent's annoying them rather than be PROACTIVE, and work on building a better mental health system

So all in all it's not that they even cared to do anything themselves but rather that the constant involvement from parents made them react otherwise it would've seem much slower progression.

Wasting lots of tax payers money, just because parents couldn't look after their sons or daughters properly & want to shift their blame onto ctb'ing methods. Crazy!

Yeah, really crazy, so the only thing that can be held accountable is the ctb methods people resort to, not the fact that other factors were much more were at fault than anything they chose to ctb with.

That bridge is ridiculous though, all that fencing and yet a small ladder would do the trick, it's like they weren't even trying.

 

[losing hope]

So all in all it's not that they even cared to do anything themselves but rather that the constant involvement from parents made them react otherwise it would've seem much slower progression (but BETTER/more sustainable progress).

Yeah, really crazy, so the only thing that can be held accountable is the ctb methods people resort to, not the fact that other factors were much more were at fault than anything they chose to ctb with.

That bridge is ridiculous though, all that fencing and yet a small ladder would do the trick, it's like they weren't even trying.

Couldn't agree more with EVERY single word you said. The only word I would add is above in the large bolded text.

Remember Ctb methods don't argue back...hence why they are an nice easy scapegoat!

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Remember Ctb methods don't argue back...hence why they are an nice easy scapegoat!

Now that's a damn good point, easier to blame something that can't say anything back. Something has piqued my interest, was it not you that said Q_Hayley ctb from SN not too long?

Couldn't agree more with EVERY single word you said. The only word I would add is above in the large bolded text.

Ah fair enough, it's good addition.

 

[losing hope]

Q_Hayley ctb from SN not too long?

Seems so, see below. I believe her SN came from a DW source. And she was apparently keen to let users here know that you can still get SN delivered in the UK (probably domestically so no customs checks) from the DW. Purely for "meat curing" purposes & not for ingesting of course. So Pro-lifers put some lube on that, and shove that where the sun doesn't shine!!! How you going police the DW b#tches?