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CatLvr

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You'd probably be shocked at how young I was when this happened (barely cracking the age for this thread) and I'm not that much older now 38??? Ya 38. I had to stop and think about it.
Oh YIKES!! I have kids your age! You poor babe! I think I was 50 when I had my first reaming. Lol

You know, there are SO MANY kids here it breaks my heart! I really thought this was some kind of old folks forum for those of us on our last leg who were sick and tired of being sick and tired. Man, have I learned a lot in a short time.
 
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_AllCatsAreGrey_

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Mar 4, 2024
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I saw this and had to share here. I hope you're all doing alright. 🫂

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LoiteringClouds

LoiteringClouds

Tempus fugit
Feb 7, 2023
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@LoiteringClouds hello -

the rude word is actually excellent life advice in general :) but it is in the vulgar language register and from the dialect of Naples. It just means "don't care at all about it" :-) I don't speak Neapolitan, I understand it and this word is special to their dialect. No therapist would say it though :-D

here is an article that mentions it:

but it's nothing you can "deserve", it's not an insult, it's just vulgar :-D don't learn it and use it casually with Italians :-D
Hello and sorry for my late reply.

Thank you for your clarification and sorry for my misunderstanding.

I don't find you insensitive or self-centered, you are apologising very often and you give the impression of caring a lot about other people.

Those who blame you seem to be very weak and cowardly, who use you as a scapegoat for their shortcomings. Animals fear the bigger animals but prey on the weak.

These people are often treated badly by their authority figure and instead of breaking the chain because they know how bad it is, they do exactly the same.

This behaviour is also displayed in some child molesters, who were molested as children and suffered and say they would never do the same, but repeat it unfortunately.
Thank you, and yes my boss had been treated like dirt when he was younger. And I agree that people who blamed me were actually weak. I'm happy I didn't become like them. I broke the chain because I don't need to abuse anybody.

Nothing you say (or anyone here says) would make me uncomfortable. Very improper things would just be ignored.

Expressing your feelings can of course sometimes cause trouble, depending to whom they are said and how, but I can't imagine someone on an internet forum actually annoying me. Not you, but people can be blocked or ignored. And ofc don't just open up to anyone in general espc irl.
Thank you. This might be cultural but people I've met tended to bottle up their frustration and one day they exploded, as if I had trampled over their feeling. They were angry because they thought they were entitled to special treatment from me and didn't get it. I had to guess what my abusers wanted and if I fail to meet their ridiculously high expectations I was punished for being "disrespectful," "selfish" or "lazy." It was my job (often for free) to entertain them or even make them feel good.

These bosses who treat you badly seem to be bad bosses, not as in "bad people", but as in "inefficient managers". An employee who is afraid to open up and who cannot criticise policy is not going to point out errors, will be sicker, lack motivation etc. Actually this leads to airplane disasters and among pilots has to be strictly avoided. The Wikipedia article on Crew Resource Management is a little confused but I couldn't find anything better:

the idea is that if the captain is too much of an authority figure, the co-pilot will be afraid to correct him. In an office it just creates a toxic atmosphere but in an airplane or operating theatre it can be catastrophic.
I think my boss only think about his convenience or he is intentionally inefficient, in order to convey the idea "my comfort is a top priority." He allows suboptimal business practices so that he can do as little as possible, dump everything on me and take all the credit, and ensure he can blame his subordinates whenever he want. My colleagues call me a "detective" because even when my boss withhold important information for my work and I try my best to find out it. I've begged, pleaded, implored and besought, to get information from him.
But in the end he loses money because of it - I've done countless hours of overtime. Nobody but he will pay the price for this stupid mind game.

I noticed that under your login you wrote "tempus fugit" (time flees). Note that the logical corollary (implied deduction) would then be "carpe diem", i.e. "seize the day", make it the best you can, the future is not there yet, enjoy what there is to enjoy as much as you can.

Since we are being Latin, this reminded me of a famous 13th century student song (the full text is a bit naughty) but the refrain is:

Gaudeamus igitur,
Iuvenes dum sumus,
Gaudeamus igitur,
Iuvenes dum sumus!
Post iucundam iuventutem,
Post molestam senectutem,
Nos habebit humus,
Nos habebit humus.

Let us therefore enjoy life,
we are still young
let us therefore enjoy life,
we are still young!
After playful youth,
after bothersome old age,
the earth will have us,
the earth will have us.

full lyrics here:

song here:



I noticed that listening to it wasn't a good idea for me :(
Thank you, and now I'm somewhat enjoying life...
You wrote "time flees" instead of "time flies," the translation we see everywhere. It's very interesting. Why did you choose "flee" as a translation?
And do you have bad memory about the song?

Note that the logical corollary (implied deduction) would then be "carpe diem", i.e. "seize the day", make it the best you can, the future is not there yet, enjoy what there is to enjoy as much as you can.
I agree, and even though I haven't said "carpe diem" I've posted similar sentiment here:
"
A timeless phrase says, tempus fugit -
So, endure, no, enjoy this transit!
"

Going back to you, however, you say that people in Japan would eye roll and consider you weird if you mentioned your feelings. Imho eye-rolling is insulting - consider that most communication is non-verbal. An example is if someone tells you "I love you" while signalling "no" with the head, you would focus more on the head movement than the words.

Ik this is very difficult for you, but you could try with the therapist exercises for being assertive (this is not "aggressive"), which for eye-rolling would mean doing something like asking "why did you just roll your eyes?".

A good old (1988) book you might like is called "Coping with Difficult People" by Robert Bramson. You might find it somewhere online, perhaps it's still sold on Amazon. It's an easy read, no psychanalysis or things like that. You would probably read it all in 2-3 days.
Yes I've gotten a lot of non-verbal insults. And my therapist admitted assertiveness is extremely hard for low-skilled workers like me to practice, because they're considered unimportant in the first place.
So I'm going to read the book you suggested. I bought the Kindle version and looked through it, and it seems to be interesting! Thank you for your suggestion.

Interesting that you also wrote "people would consider me weird". Now see, this is a question of interpretation. You see "weird" as negative.

If you see what the word "weird" meant in origin,

(source: https://www.etymonline.com/word/weird )

the weird systers were the goddesses that controlled human destiny, they were supernatural. Not a bad thing to be a goddess that controls destiny.

Some also would see "weird" as positive. I myself would prefer to know someone who is weird (but not crazy ofc) instead of someone who is just a photocopy of everyone else. Weird gives you personality and makes you not insipid (like soup with no seasoning) or anodyne (just saying the right things and being dull).

Imho the fundamental force at work is not that you are weird or not, that you are right or wrong, but that the perception of being weird or the perception of being wrong cause you anxiety. You could be actually wrong about something and just react by saying "thank you for your observation, I will avoid making this mistake" or if someone actually shouts at you, a good trick is to say calmly that you can't understand when people speak so loud. Again imho, it seems to me that it is the link between being wrong and anxiety that must be broken, not an actual or perceived weirdness.

What comes first to your mind after reading this?
I don't think being weird is inherently shameful but I'm afraid of being seen as weird by judgemental people in real life, as I've been criticized not to be "efficient" when I didn't follow established way of doing / learning things.

For example, I preferred English dictionary over English-Japanese dictionary when I studied English, as I have trauma about Japanese language, but I didn't use English dictionary in front of others because I was afraid of being criticized for "overconfidence" or "pretending to be smart."

But those judgemental people has been left. So today I'm proudly weird.

Bear in mind, too, that you might be somewhat in a position of power without realising it. Because see, if you are "weird" as you say or "wrong" it means that someone made a big mistake in hiring you and they will be reprimanded for it. Your weak-minded boss is perhaps afraid of his boss telling him "why did you hire her?" and doesn't want to admit he made a mistake. You don't really know the internal company politics before you were hired. It could be that he did the same to other workers and HR is already very annoyed at him.
I agree that I have power in some way, because even though my boss vilify me he can't fire me. I know how to apply government subsidies because I've extensively researched about them (sometimes in my free time), and have experience in applying them but there's no time to teach how to do that to my colleagues. If they read lengthy documents they can learn how to do it by themselves but they're waiting for an instruction manual I'm writing now.

It's a tiny company of 15 employees, my boss is the sole owner of the business (he's the CEO and seems to have all the company's shares) and the company has no HR, so he doesn't need to fear any authority figures (as far as I know.)

But I think he's afraid of me become too strong - he said I was a "punching bag" who has to endure criticism from everybody, but what if I were a statue of steel? He need a sledgehammer to defeat me. (But if I were made of titanium, the hammer, not me, would be damaged.) He called me a "war criminal" but where were his firing squad? I know that his foul mouth doesn't have real power, and he's afraid of me because of it, I think.

Lol 1000+ words essay today :-D
Thank you for your intriguing reply! It was exciting like pouring racing fuel in my soul - definitely better than California Rocket Fuel :)

And sorry for hijacking this thread. I hope it helps somebody else as well.
 
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-Toplox-

Member
Nov 25, 2018
61
Hey ya'll. Just tryin not break tf down at work because I can't complete simple adult tasks without being overrun by emotions. 3 more hrs. How're ya'll?
 
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_AllCatsAreGrey_

(they/he)
Mar 4, 2024
559
Hey ya'll. Just tryin not break tf down at work because I can't complete simple adult tasks without being overrun by emotions. 3 more hrs. How're ya'll?
Oof. I've definitely been there at work. I hope you're able to pass through the shift without too much distress. Doing alright here, also at work. Feeling exhausted. We'll get through it. 🫂
 
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Tesha

Life too shall pass
May 31, 2020
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Just tryin not break tf down at work because I can't complete simple adult tasks without being overrun by emotions.
Adulting is completely overrated. However, I get how you're feeling. Age doesn't seem to improve one's ability to manage difficult circumstances.

Take it 10 mins at time.
 
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soonatpeace777888

Specialist
Jul 4, 2023
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32, suicidal on and off since I was 17. Currently have enough money for my method so I'm pretty exited.
 
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birthdayboy

birthdayboy

Member
Aug 23, 2024
21
I just had my 51st birthday. I'm a gay cis male (he/him/they/them), and I've wanted to die since age 12. I never thought I'd still be alive, and I feel like my SI have only become more and more strong the older I get. I just found this site, and I'm looking forward to hearing more from other people here.

It's funny, I don't feel 51
 
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mellie5

Student
Mar 26, 2023
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just a quick notice, since we are talking somewhere and I also don't want to hijack the thread too, but since I am particular with languages:

I translated "tempus fugit" as "time flees" and not "flies" because the verb "fugeo" in Latin means "to run away, to flee" and "fugit" is the 3rd person

while "time flies" would be "tempus volat".

I think also "fugit" should be pronounced like "fudge-it". I am against the "new pronounciation".

51 birthday person wish you all the best. You now have the age of a famous brand of a strong alcoholic drink :-D
 
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Ash

What dreams may come?
Oct 4, 2021
1,758
I just had my 51st birthday. I'm a gay cis male (he/him/they/them), and I've wanted to die since age 12. I never thought I'd still be alive, and I feel like my SI have only become more and more strong the older I get. I just found this site, and I'm looking forward to hearing more from other people here.

It's funny, I don't feel 51
My back feels my age. My head definitely doesn't.

Welcome aboard.
 
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trs

Member
Jun 29, 2024
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Oh YIKES!! I have kids your age! You poor babe! I think I was 50 when I had my first reaming. Lol

You know, there are SO MANY kids here it breaks my heart! I really thought this was some kind of old folks forum for those of us on our last leg who were sick and tired of being sick and tired. Man, have I learned a lot in a short time.
I don't know about you @CatLvr but I'm finding it hard to stay on this site because of exactly what you're relating regarding it being so many kids. It really makes me feel sick, and I just want to tell them to put a few decades on before even thinking about these things. I spend my time here mostly shaking my head now. I wish there could be a way to have a separate site for us old people and for people dealing with physical issues, etc.
 
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Ash

What dreams may come?
Oct 4, 2021
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I don't know about you @CatLvr but I'm finding it hard to stay on this site because of exactly what you're relating regarding it basically being kids on here who want to harm or kill themselves. It really makes me sick, and I just want to yell at them and tell them to put a few decades on before even thinking about these things. I spend my time here mostly shaking my head now. I wish there could be a way to have a separate site for us old people and for people dealing with physical issues, etc.
There's always going to be young people who feel like that. I find it best to talk to them about their methods and remember that pain isn't about how old you are. The emotional difficulties that saw me badly abusing alcohol and nearly led me down the path to lifelong alcoholism like my father in my early 20s are the same ones that have me suicidal 20 years later. I look back and sometimes think it would have been better if I had crashed my car when I was young and reckless and died like one of my friends whose funeral I attended one Christmas Eve. It's not always about years on the clock.
 
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rozeske

Maybe I am the problem
Dec 2, 2023
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I don't know about you @CatLvr but I'm finding it hard to stay on this site because of exactly what you're relating regarding it basically being kids on here who want to harm or kill themselves. It really makes me sick, and I just want to yell at them and tell them to put a few decades on before even thinking about these things. I spend my time here mostly shaking my head now. I wish there could be a way to have a separate site for us old people and for people dealing with physical issues, etc.
I don't recall users here I'd refer as kids...maybe a couple of times that I reported and action taken.....just out of curiosity though how old do you consider one need be to be "approved" for suicide?
 
gayayi4811

gayayi4811

Member
Aug 23, 2024
20
early 30s here, just joined the forum.
I'm surprised there are 50+ people on the internet and glad to see wiser company.

I'm also finding disturbing to see very young people around 20 trying to CTB. And reading their last messages after drinking SN...
Specially without knowing their history: did they have a chance to try therapy? They say the brain is not even fully developed until 25.

I also think once you are dead, it doesn't matter anyway that you missed some potential happiness, but still...
 
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GorillaMatt

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Aug 23, 2024
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59, lost my partner of 28 years 6 months ago. I'm too old to start again and I don't want to replace my partner but I don't want to spend the rest of my life isolated and lonely. I'm tired of life 😔
 
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Ash

What dreams may come?
Oct 4, 2021
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59, lost my partner of 28 years 6 months ago. I'm too old to start again and I don't want to replace my partner but I don't want to spend the rest of my life isolated and lonely. I'm tired of life 😔
I'm so sorry to hear that x
 
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birthdayboy

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Aug 23, 2024
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59, lost my partner of 28 years 6 months ago. I'm too old to start again and I don't want to replace my partner but I don't want to spend the rest of my life isolated and lonely. I'm tired of life 😔
I'm so sorry. My husband is the most important part of my life, so I understand how devasstated you must feel
early 30s here, just joined the forum.
I'm surprised there are 50+ people on the internet and glad to see wiser company.

I'm also finding disturbing to see very young people around 20 trying to CTB. And reading their last messages after drinking SN...
Specially without knowing their history: did they have a chance to try therapy? They say the brain is not even fully developed until 25.

I also think once you are dead, it doesn't matter anyway that you missed some potential happiness, but still...
I'm in my 50s, and I've got to say I get it though. I always wish the best for young people. I've tried to live in such a way that the world would be a happier, better place for them. But at the same time, I think of all those years thinking things might get better, that I might feel better, only for it to never happen, and I often wish I'd CTB when I was that young. I'm probably in the best physical shape I've ever been in at age 51, except for my celiac disease, but it's never been about physical pain for me. It's about the pain of trauma I've been carrying, and that burden was just as bad at age 20 as it is now, in spite of several therapists and a short sojourn in a psych ward.

So yeah, it makes me sad, but at the same time I get it. I spent some time as a moderator on a moderately large gaming discord server, and I encountered young people all the time who literally couldn't access any kind of mental health care, and who were clearly coping with some seriously traumatic stuff.

Also, the brain actually continues to change and develop throughout our life, but the brain not developing fully until age 25 thing is pop science that is mostly not true. Sadly, it is likely that a 20 year old is capable of making this decision with full agency and awareness of the permanent consequences. I hate to see it too.
 
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Alessa

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Nov 4, 2019
212
Iam 39, having my last weeks now.
If everyone is interested in talking, not wanting to be alone... text me. Maybe even german people? Would also be nice, but not necessary. I saw great people here come and go, leave and die. And right now I dont have anyone left.
So feel free to PM me, see ya.
 
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willitpass

Don’t try to offer me help, I’ve tried everything
Mar 10, 2020
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Only in my early 20s so I won't mean to intrude and I'll see myself out after this. But I came to say I've got the aching joints, chronic health problems, and am always told my maturity is well beyond my years. I don't understand half of my own generations slang and have always been one to hang with the "older" crowd so this would be my kind of thread haha. Anyway, I'll see myself to the door now.
 
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birthdayboy

birthdayboy

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Only in my early 20s so I won't mean to intrude and I'll see myself out after this. But I came to say I've got the aching joints, chronic health problems, and am always told my maturity is well beyond my years. I don't understand half of my own generations slang and have always been one to hang with the "older" crowd so this would be my kind of thread haha. Anyway, I'll see myself to the door now.
I feel this. I felt old by age 19 or so, maybe even younger. Mine was more psychological than physical though.
 
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mellie5

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Mar 26, 2023
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59, lost my partner of 28 years 6 months ago. I'm too old to start again and I don't want to replace my partner but I don't want to spend the rest of my life isolated and lonely. I'm tired of life 😔
poor you
 
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trs

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Jun 29, 2024
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59, lost my partner of 28 years 6 months ago. I'm too old to start again and I don't want to replace my partner but I don't want to spend the rest of my life isolated and lonely. I'm tired of life 😔
I'm sorry and I can unfortunately relate to all of this, and beyond. I've lost way too many loved ones and partners. They are all gone now. Once I lost the last and most loved, the best I can say is that I try to take in her energy in all the small little things around me, and do the best I can to feel her that way. Our loved ones do stand right there in front of us, but we no longer see them. Have no doubt we will see them again when our physical time ends, they know we are waiting.
And we are all here connected to each other, even those of us isolated and alone, at the core of our soul in a way that we cannot see, but only feel.
 
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nihilistic_dragon

Dead already. Just need to dispose of my body now.
Aug 6, 2024
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Hey everybody. Glad to see a place for the older folks. Sometimes it's very hard to relate to the younger generations. Hope I can make some friends here.
 
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birthdayboy

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It hurts too much to be alive. I need to find a way soon
 
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hell toupee

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Sep 9, 2024
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59, lost my partner of 28 years 6 months ago. I'm too old to start again and I don't want to replace my partner but I don't want to spend the rest of my life isolated and lonely. I'm tired of life 😔
I'm in the same boat.

Lost my wife, my best friend of 24 years just a month ago. I lost my ability to walk January of 24. In a wheelchair and my wife became my caretaker.

Now she's gone I don't have a soul in the world to help. I'm 52 and too old to start again. It's not like I'm out at singles bars in my wheelchair ot something. Even if I could, I wouldn't want to.

I have nobody to live for and no purpose except a dreary existence on disability. No thanks.
 
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FlufflesAway

Student
Jul 31, 2024
102
ha ha ha i can post here now
fuck everyone thats tried to help
you don't have to live my life. i do. fuck you
i dont want to be here you bastards
waiting for a rainy day to catch the train. less friction
will report back my exp. i think 10/10 would reccomend
much better than paying some retard for shit poison like sn
free death available to all.
 
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Dot

Info abt typng styl on prfle.
Sep 26, 2021
2,914
ha ha ha i can post here now
fuck everyone thats tried to help
you don't have to live my life. i do. fuck you
i dont want to be here you bastards
waiting for a rainy day to catch the train. less friction
will report back my exp. i think 10/10 would reccomend
much better than paying some retard for shit poison like sn
free death available to all.

R u talkng t/ ppl on thred or ventng abt irl ppl
 
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Lack-of-Everything

New Member
Nov 17, 2024
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Hey there golden, and not so golden, oldies. I'm 37 chronologically, 13 emotionally, and more like 73 physically. Would anyone like to share a family packet of Werther's, and discussions about the youngsters these days and how all modern music sounds the same?
 
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