You shouldn’t end your life, unless…

[motel rooms]

If something is resistant to something else, it doesn't mean that it's impenetrable. You might still get wet if wearing water-resistant clothes, for example.
While there remains a possibility of improvement, I think new treatments should continue to be sought out and tried.

I knew you'd say that. For people like you there's no such thing as treatment-resistant anything. You're pro-choice & support assisted dying for people afflicted with torturous mental illnesses only in theory...

 

[Cathy Ames]

I knew you'd say that. For people like you there's no such thing as treatment-resistant anything. You're pro-choice & support assisted dying for people afflicted with torturous mental illnesses only in theory...

Doesn't even care enough about it to spend 60 seconds googling.

 

[Britvik]

What would be your definition of abuse for assisted dying?

Ending the life of someone who didn't want it, or who was unsure, for example. Dr Harold Shipman is an extreme example of a corrupt medical professional, but I'm sure there are other, less extreme examples.

Doesn't even care enough about it to spend 60 seconds googling.

Please don't seek medical opinions from unqualified strangers based on their access to Google.

I knew you'd say that. For people like you there's no such thing as treatment-resistant anything. You're pro-choice & support assisted dying for people afflicted with torturous mental illnesses only in theory...

The inaccuracy of your first claim (that I think there's no such thing as treatment resistant anything), along with your attempt to box and label me ("people like you"), indicate you want to hurt me rather than discuss the strength or weakness of particular ideas.

Do you think being hurt makes you more likely to want to hurt others?

For example:

I feel rage, extremely rage and want before cbt to make everyone life around me hell and suffer im done with feeling weak and pathetic , i will die when everyone start hate me

 

[motel rooms]

The inaccuracy of your first claim (that I think there's no such thing as treatment resistant anything), along with your attempt to box and label me ("people like you"), indicate you want to hurt me rather than discuss the strength or weakness of particular ideas.

Do you think being hurt make you more likely to want to hurt others?

Your attempt to change the subject is so lame...

I think it's safe to say you don't approve of assisted dying for the severely mentally ill. You'd make them suffer in a psych ward & wait for new treatments to be developed until they died of old age. You would show no mercy to someone like this unfortunate young woman:

The troubled 29-year-old helped to die by Dutch doctors

 

[Cathy Ames]

Please don't seek medical opinions from unqualified strangers based on their access to Google.

Nice Strawman. Not one person here would expect or want a medical opinion from you.

 

[Britvik]

Your attempt to change the subject is so lame...

I think it's safe to say you don't approve of assisted dying for the severely mentally ill. You'd make them suffer in a psych ward & wait for new treatments to be developed until they died of old age. You would show no mercy to someone like this unfortunate young woman:

The troubled 29-year-old helped to die by Dutch doctors

How often will you need to be wrong about me before you stop trying to pre-judge me for thoughts I haven't shared?

This paragraph provides a good reason, arguably:

"In many ways her story is uniquely Dutch. Euthanasia is against the law in most countries, but in the Netherlands it is allowed if a doctor is satisfied a patient's suffering is "unbearable with no prospect of improvement" and if there is "no reasonable alternative in the patient's situation"."

 

[SpaceCadet]

How much will you need to be wrong about me before you stop trying to pre-judge me for thoughts I haven't shared?

This paragraph provides a good reason, arguably:

"In many ways her story is uniquely Dutch. Euthanasia is against the law in most countries, but in the Netherlands it is allowed if a doctor is satisfied a patient's suffering is "unbearable with no prospect of improvement" and if there is "no reasonable alternative in the patient's situation"."

You don't have much empathy, you got to understand how much suffering people here are going through. That's why we get mad when someone come and they start with platitudes and prolife bs.

 

[Britvik]

You don't have much empathy, you got to understand how much suffering people here are going through. That's why we get mad when someone come and they start with platitudes and prolife bs.

I have a lot of empathy. I don't want to make people mad, so I'm sorry. Please be specific about "platitudes" and "prolife bs". I've stated many times, on different threads, in different ways, that I am pro-choice. I feel under attack for misplaced reasons.

 

[Cathy Ames]

Your attempt to change the subject is so lame...

Yeah, I think the bulk of that post to you was AD HOMINEM. Part of his word games, @motel rooms

I have a lot of empathy. I don't want to make people mad, so I'm sorry. Please be specific about "platitudes" and "prolife bs". I've stated many times, on different threads, in different ways, that I am pro-choice. I feel under attack for misplaced reasons.

Ah. The victim card. I don't remember what the fancy term is for that one. Maybe @Britvik can tell me.

 

[motel rooms]

How often will you need to be wrong about me before you stop trying to pre-judge me for thoughts I haven't shared?
This paragraph provides a good reason, arguably:
"In many ways her story is uniquely Dutch. Euthanasia is against the law in most countries, but in the Netherlands it is allowed if a doctor is satisfied a patient's suffering is "unbearable with no prospect of improvement" and if there is "no reasonable alternative in the patient's situation"."

So you approve of the decision the shrinks made in her case? I'm pleasantly surprised & I apologize for prejudging you.

If something is resistant to something else, it doesn't mean that it's impenetrable. You might still get wet if wearing water-resistant clothes, for example.
While there remains a possibility of improvement, I think new treatments should continue to be sought out and tried.

How is "unbearable with no prospect of improvement" & "there's no reasonable alternative in the patient's situation" different from the term I used - treatment-resistant?


Implying that I'm full of extreme rage because I'm weak & pathetic & that I want to make people's life hell before I die was a really low blow, btw... My intention was not to savagely hurt you & you know nothing about my life.

you want to hurt me rather than discuss the strength or weakness of particular ideas.

Do you think being hurt makes you more likely to want to hurt others?
For example:
DrownFeather said:
"I feel rage, extremely rage and want before cbt to make everyone life around me hell and suffer im done with feeling weak and pathetic , i will die when everyone start hate me"

 

[Britvik]

Yeah, I think the bulk of that post to you was AD HOMINEM. Part of his word games, @motel rooms

Ah. The victim card. I don't remember what the fancy term is for that one. Maybe @Britvik can tell me.

I don't know what else to say to you!
You win? I'm wrong. You're right.

 

[Cathy Ames]

I don't know what else to say to you!
You win? I'm wrong. You're right.

Yes, mockery and disparagement are certainly the hallmark of any good faith discussion, I've found. Well done to you!

 

[Britvik]

So you approve of the decision the shrinks made in her case? I'm pleasantly surprised & I apologize for prejudging you.



How is "unbearable with no prospect of improvement" & "there's no reasonable alternative in the patient's situation" different from the term I used - treatment-resistant?


Implying that I'm full of extreme rage because I'm weak & pathetic & that I want to make people's life hell before I die was a really low blow, btw... My intention was not to savagely hurt you & you know nothing about my life.

Apologies always accepted.
As someone who isn't a mental health professional I interpreted "treatment-resistant" to mean something other than treatment-proof.

I wasn't implying you're full of extreme rage, though I understand how you could've taken it that way. My turn to offer you an apology! I was providing an extreme example to ask a question: Does being hurt make you more likely to want to hurt others? I didn't mean you personally, btw. I could've been more clear. Sorry.

I'm pleased to read you don't want to hurt me and I agree that I know nothing about your life.

Yes, mockery and disparagement are certainly the hallmark of any good faith discussion, I've found. Well done to you!

I'll be ready whenever you want to address any point related to the topic of this thread. I give you my word.

 

[Glowarm]

In my opinion, every person has the right to choose whether they live or die. As many others have written above it just depends on what each person is feeling and what they can bear.
I think everyone accepts that every person is unique. I think we can all agree on that. Well, I also feel that everyone's mind is also unique. If I feel that my time has come to an end, then that is my decision. The circumstances that led me to that decision are unique to how my mind works.
Having said all of that, back to the OP question, some reasons imo are:
- Mental and/or emotional suffering that is just too much to bear. I think that is a huge reason

 

[Al Cappella]

I wonder how folks would feel if the situation involved an eight year old. For me it's an interesting thing to think about—with adults it's literally "do what you want", even though I may have my thoughts it's really not my right to say. Might that change if my profession involved trying to preserve life? Probably. But even just thinking about an 8 year old gives me the willies…

 

[Cathy Ames]

I'll be ready whenever you want to address any point related to the topic of this thread. I give you my word.

From what I can tell, the underlying PURPOSE of the thread is for you to play your word games, making fun of or disparaging and marginalizing the people with whom you disagree. And, no, I do not need to go back and pick out examples of your doing this to support my point. You have done it over and over. A particularly blatant one was what you said to @motel rooms, in the post that I quoted. You said you were a person with empathy, and you certainly know very well how the English language works. A smart and empathetic person such as yourself should easily be able to see what I'm talking about just by reading through the thread. It's unbecoming of you to pretend otherwise. It sure looks like an effort to trap or goad people into spending a lot time and effort on a thing that is mostly for your entertainment and recreation. I can easily imagine a fixer doing exactly this and then going back to their group and laughing about how they ran rhetorical circles around those "horrible" suicidal people.

I can't wait to see what insulting thing you say to me next.

 

[Britvik]

From what I can tell, the underlying PURPOSE of the thread is for you to play your word games, making fun of or disparaging and marginalizing the people with whom you disagree. And, no, I do not need to go back and pick out examples of your doing this to support my point. You have done it over and over. A particularly blatant one was what you said to @motel rooms, in the post that I quoted. You said you were a person with empathy, and you certainly know very well how the English language works. A smart and empathetic person such as yourself should easily be able to see what I'm talking about just by reading through the thread. It's unbecoming of you to pretend otherwise. It sure looks like an effort to trap or goad people into spending a lot time and effort on a thing that is mostly for your entertainment and recreation. I can easily imagine a fixer doing exactly this and then going back to their group and laughing about how they ran rhetorical circles around those "horrible" suicidal people.

I can't wait to see what insulting thing you say to me next.

I don't want to hurt or insult you, or anybody else for that matter. I'm not trying to trap or goad anybody, I promise. I genuinely want to know if there are, as I suspect, good and bad reasons for ending life. There are plenty of other questions that arise out of this that are also relevant to anyone thinking of suicide.

I'm not convinced I can persuade you about my intentions, but I'll keep trying anyway.

I wonder how folks would feel if the situation involved an eight year old. For me it's an interesting thing to think about—with adults it's literally "do what you want", even though I may have my thoughts it's really not my right to say. Might that change if my profession involved trying to preserve life? Probably. But even just thinking about an 8 year old gives me the willies…

I knew a 12-year old who ended their life last year. It's painful to think about.

 

[Catchingdabus27]

Sooo seeing as how this thread and subsequent replies have gone... what exactly is the point of this thread?

 

[Britvik]

Sooo seeing as how this thread and subsequent replies have gone... what exactly is the point of this thread?

It depends who you ask.

As the OP of this thread, it was to discuss whether there are good and bad reasons to end life, as I suspect. I think it is always a good idea to reassess our reasons for doing anything, especially something that can only be done once and has the most serious of consequences.

 

[motel rooms]

As someone who isn't a mental health professional I interpreted "treatment-resistant" to mean something other than treatment-proof.

Sure.

I must admit I'm genuinely surprised this one got himself banned so quickly.

 

[Symbiote]

Guy sounds like a Jeremy clone. Or one of TheBipolarGuy's alts.

 

[Dot]

Sure.

I must admit I'm genuinely surprised this one got himself banned so quickly.

Insane pedntry 2 pck aprt & invald8 ppls argmnts = s/ triggrng

 

[YourNeighbor]

Sure.

I must admit I'm genuinely surprised this one got himself banned so quickly.

Nothing he posted here was ban-worthy. I mean, if folks didn't agree with his views on when suicide is appropriate (which didn't seem all that "pro-life"), they could engage and disagree civilly or ignore. Instead, we saw a clamor for banning a barely unorthodox view.

Pat yourselves on the back everyone, another successful "pro-lifer" witchhunt has concluded.

 

[Dot]

Nothing he posted here was ban-worthy. I mean, if folks didn't agree with his views on when suicide is appropriate (which didn't seem all that "pro-life"), they could engage and disagree civilly or ignore. Instead, we saw a clamor for banning a barely unorthodox view.

Pat yourselves on the back everyone, another successful "pro-lifer" witchhunt has concluded.

Whethr u cn C it or nt h/ ws gs-lightng

H/ knw hw mch h/ wll hve bn strssng ppl out & h/ knw h/ wll hve bn trggrng ppl

 

[9BBN]

Reminds me of abortion pro-lifers who claim they're pro-choice because they're only willing to validate abortion after rape. Except britvik probably thinks being raped isn't even a good enough reason to ctb.

 

[YourNeighbor]

Whethr u cn C it or nt h/ ws gs-lightng

H/ knw hw mch h/ wll hve bn strssng ppl out & h/ knw h/ wll hve bn trggrng ppl

He did ask me a very strange question elsewhere about if I "wanted" to kill myself given my health condition--a bizarre choice of words. Seemed more of a spectator on the forum for weird cheap thrills. Still, nothing he wrote here seemed objectionable or against forum rules. Was he removed for a valid reason we're unaware of, or merely because some random mod personally disagreed with a nuanced approach to suicide, who knows? That's one of the mysteries of this place. Many commenters here seem happy with this place being an echo chamber, not a discussion forum.

 

[Cathy Ames]

He did ask me a very strange question elsewhere about if I "wanted" to kill myself given my health condition--a bizarre choice of words. Seemed more of a spectator on the forum for weird cheap thrills. Still, nothing he wrote here seemed objectionable or against forum rules. Was he removed for a valid reason we're unaware of, or merely because some random mod personally disagreed with a nuanced approach to suicide, who knows? That's one of the mysteries of this place. Many commenters here seem happy with this place being an echo chamber, not a discussion forum.

You may disagree, but I think there was cause. I think he was breaking the rule that says "Do NOT Harass, bully, attack or insult other members.
Do not troll or proselytize, meaning do not impose your views - no matter what they are - on others or make threads to get people riled up."

Specifically, I think he was trolling and purposely getting people riled up, and I agree with Dot that he was gaslighting. He was doing some weird, manipulative stuff. A couple different times (in this thread and another one), he said something along the lines of "you want to hurt me... Do you think being hurt makes you more likely to want to hurt others?" when it wasn't actually warranted based on what the other person had said. He actually copy/pasted some stuff someone ELSE said in a different thread into a reply to @motel rooms. There were some other real peculiarities about his interactions, but I don't really want to spend any more time thinking about this. I won't say it's "triggering," exactly, but it definitely brings up some old stuff.

I also think he went astray from the "Do: Be respectful of others and their opinions" rule. I perceived a very strong undertone of mockery/dismissal/disparagement in many of his replies.

But again, I do totally understand if you disagree!

ETA: YES, "weird cheap thrills," like you said! That's a good description. It seemed like he was getting people riled up as some kind of game and being super careful to be subtle enough to always have cover.

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

Pat yourselves on the back everyone, another successful "pro-lifer" witchhunt has concluded.

I'll be available to pat anyone's back if they can't reach it.

 

[symphony]

Depression can be overcome. It requires time, effort, persistence and help. But, it can be done, I promise.

Oh, TIL! I'll go on living then. Give me a sec. I'll go try that.

Oh wait, it says here, I already did. Whoops.

 

[Cathy Ames]

Oh, TIL! I'll go on living then. Give me a sec. I'll go try that.

Oh wait, it says here, I already did. Whoops.

He promised!