Method Why in the world does that one study chart of methods say shotgun to head takes a whole 1.7 minutes to die?!

[KillingPain267]

I'm referring to this commonly cited chart:



While shotgun to head has the highest chance of lethality and one of the lowest rates of agony, how did they calculate it to take in general 1.7 MINUTES to die? Do they think consciousness survives up to almost 2 minutes after the brain is destroyed? Questions like these creep me out.

 

[PetrichorBirth]

Mind sharing the source of the chart? The way things are calculated are always explained in scientific studies.

A wild guess : "Shotgun to the head" does not imply a destroyed brain. It is possible to shoot your head with a shotgun in such a way to destroy your face, causing its flaps to collapse into the airway, but with the brain still being fine. If this happens, and flaps + blood get into the airways, i could imagine that suffocating this way can take a good while, combined with all the blood loss and stuff going on.

Case in point :

 

[KillingPain267]

Mind sharing the source of the chart? The way things are calculated are always explained in scientific studies.

A wild guess : "Shotgun to the head" does not imply a destroyed brain. It is possible to shoot your head with a shotgun in such a way to destroy your face, causing its flaps to collapse into the airway, but with the brain still being fine. If this happens, and flaps + blood get into the airways, i could imagine that suffocating this way can take a good while, combined with all the blood loss and stuff going on.

Case in point :

Thanks for the link. How is this shit even still on YouTube? I've seen a lot of such videos but not on YT, lol. I'm gonna find you the link to the chart. It's just weird how they reached 99% lethality but 1.7 minutes time. Maybe the 1% who survived at first and died later drove up the "time" rate.
The study is from:

CE Rhyne, DI Templer, LG Brown and NB Peters, "Dimensions of Suicide: Perceptions of Lethality, Time and Agony", in Suicide and Life-Threatening Behavior, Vol. 25(3), 1995.

 

[PetrichorBirth]

Thanks for the link. How is this shit even still on YouTube?

You'd be surprised how much morbid stuff exists on Youtube. It's just that most of it is hidden behind age-restrictions, so you'll only find it if you specifically look for something.

 

[Tesha]

I suggest you don't look up studies into the time it takes for the heads of decapitated animals (and humans) to stop positively responding to external stimuli. It's a quickish death, but doesn't appear to be instant.

 

[UKscotty]

More fake news. A shotgun shell to the head would mush the brain in milliseconds.

 

[KillingPain267]

I suggest you don't look up studies into the time it takes for the heads of decapitated animals (and humans) to stop positively responding to external stimuli. It's a quickish death, but doesn't appear to be instant.

Too late, I watch that stuff many times a week

More fake news. A shotgun shell to the head would mush the brain in milliseconds.

Yeah, like 1.7 minutes?!! Although I did see a few videos where the victim took a few breaths after the head was open.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Mind sharing the source of the chart? The way things are calculated are always explained in scientific studies.

A wild guess : "Shotgun to the head" does not imply a destroyed brain. It is possible to shoot your head with a shotgun in such a way to destroy your face, causing its flaps to collapse into the airway, but with the brain still being fine. If this happens, and flaps + blood get into the airways, i could imagine that suffocating this way can take a good while, combined with all the blood loss and stuff going on.

Case in point :

I originally posted it. It is from LostAllHope....

Just because you're "technically" alive for a "guesstimated" 1.7 minutes, doesn't mean you're consciously aware of anything. I don't know if you've ever seen someone die of natural causes, but I have 3 times, and even after last breath, the heart continues to beat for a little while. Bodily functions are not turned-off like a light switch.

 

[KillingPain267]

I originally posted it. It is from LostAllHope....

Just because you're "technically" alive for a "guesstimated" 1.7 minutes, doesn't mean you're consciously aware of anything. I don't know if you've ever seen someone die of natural causes, but I have 3 times, and even after last breath, the heart continues to beat for a little while. Bodily functions are not turned-off like a light switch.

Ahh, so they don't mean consciousness, just bodily functions. Thank you, it makes sense now! I've seen the study referenced for over a year now and I always wondered about it since I saw it on LostAllHope. And you're right. I've not seen it IRL, but videos, where the heart beat for over 3 minutes in the hand of a cartel member who just decapitated the owner of the heart. So I guess the study would say decapitation takes 3 minutes to die after the head is off, lol.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Ahh, so they don't mean consciousness, just bodily functions. Thank you, it makes sense now! I've seen the study referenced for over a year now and I always wondered about it since I saw it on LostAllHope. And you're right. I've not seen it IRL, but videos, where the heart beat for over 3 minutes in the hand of a cartel member who just decapitated the owner of the heart. So I guess the study would say decapitation takes 3 minutes to die after the head is off, lol.

Woah. Wait. IDK where they got their data or what they mean. I'm sort of just guessing that's what the 1.7 minutes means. If someone eats a shotgun barrel and takes out their brain stem, that's game over. The body will wind down after that, but it won't be instant stop on the heart. Not sure of the breathing, but probably the same. I guess it's like "residual" messaging that still got through until there is no more. I can't see how anyone could be aware of anything after the brain stem is taken out by a shotgun blast.

 

[KillingPain267]

Woah. Wait. IDK where they got their data or what they mean. I'm sort of just guessing that's what the 1.7 minutes means. If someone eats a shotgun barrel and takes out their brain stem, that's game over. The body will wind down after that, but it won't be instant stop on the heart. Not sure of the breathing, but probably the same. I guess it's like "residual" messaging that still got through until there is no more. I can't see how anyone could be aware of anything after the brain stem is taken out by a shotgun blast.

Exactly, that's why I always wondered about the 1.7 minutes in their chart. Brain stem and thalamus is what science says creates consciousness, so if that's destroyed instantly it should be lights out instantly, unless consciousness lingers on for a bit like heat from a fireplace lingers on after the fire is extinguished and then dissipates. But then again, I doubt that the study had such in mind especially after what you said it may mean.

 

[Dolphin55]

This chart just seems really wack. Why does it say dying from a train apparently takes 17 minutes but only rates as a 7 on the agony scale? Wtf? Meanwhile apparently shooting yourself in the chest with a shotgun is less painful than dying via carbon monoxide?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

.......unless consciousness lingers on for a bit like heat from a fireplace lingers on after the fire is extinguished and then dissipates.

That's a really interesting comparison. I like it.

Idk. I hear and agree with what you're saying. Consciousness *should* be gone. But, we can never really know, can we? As a Mr. Donald Rumsfeld once put it:

"because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know."