Why does nobody want to suicide with opioids?

[CarbonMonoxide]

Maybe add a caveat; if you take twice as much?
edit: meet me halfway at least

Sure, sure, I've had my fill of nitpicking for the day.

 

[Deleted member 14386]

Sure, sure, I've had my fill of nitpicking for the day.

lol same, again sorry didn't mean it to go all serious, I should log off for a bit!

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Not totally sure?

It is likely possible some of it could be the resulting legal issues which could arise is one of the reasons. If needing to use street dealers or other means, and the risk of police involvement?

I worked in emergency as a nurse for many years. Plenty of times I have helped to take care of people who had overdosed.

This is what sticks out to me about opioid overdose. The people look absolutely peaceful as they start slipping away.

Seen morphine alone administered to a person with terminal cancer slip away in a matter of minutes.

Very peacful.

Curious as to what symptoms you saw in opiate OD recovery.

 

[CarbonMonoxide]

lol same, again sorry didn't mean it to go all serious, I should log off for a bit!

Not really, you were right to call my post out. I really should have been more accurate, I usually am. No need to log off.

 

[fyodorkdostoyesky]

I have the I look naive and innocent problem, too. Got no friends so I can't ask around. Ideally I'd ctb with a big ass shot of heroin. Don't mind needles, and I wouldn't be found, but I'm still not sure how effective it would be. Purchasing illicit substances is so much harder irl than they make it seem in films lol

I'd LOVE to OD on fentanyl/morphium/something of the sort. I wouldn't have any trouble injecting myself, but the big problem is obtaining the stuff.
It's illegal, and while it's probably relatively easy to get for someone who knows how, I'm a very boring person who never even bought any weed before it was legalized.
Bottom line: I'm super scared of getting caught, getting shitty/fake stuff because I look as naive as I am, etc. Also don't want any trouble with the police.

 

[alexit]

When I read the partners thread I always wonder why almost nobody wants to use opioid overdose for suicide.. I mean this seems to be the most peaceful way and probably without severe damage if you wake up again.
In contrast to SN which most people here seem to prefer. But it has some really negative reports by people who failed with it. Like pain, nausea, I would get panic waiting like 15-30 minutes until it kicks in. And if you survive I could imagine this will last for days or weeks or you might even get irreversible damage...

Oh I want to you, just has never worked.

I sometimes wonder the same thing, it certainly seems like the way a lot of celebrities go (whether on purpose or not...) with alcohol and opioids... I'm guessing reliability and availability... plus I don't think any kind of overdose/poisoning/etc is sure to be free of discomfort, side effects, or long term risk if you fail.

And you really need to define in this conversation what is meant by opioids. The "opioid epidemic" cites numbers that scare people but that's because they mix in heroin statistics. So, yeah, with H, you can OD. With what they give after surgery, don't even bother. Like someone else pointed out, with fentanyl or morphine you can as well but that's very rarely prescribed and harder still to get. That's why the opioid epidemic is such bullshit. They artificially inflate the numbers, which just ends up punishing people in unbearable pain. You want a chronic pain person to CTB, take away the meds making life somewhat bearable.... It's disgusting what they do in the name of "saving lives". It's just people looking for a new drug war to wage.

 

[Spitfire]

Curious as to what symptoms you saw in opiate OD recovery.

Most of the hardcore overdoses I saw routinely was of paramedics bringing them in, or people dragging the OD person out of their cars to lay them down at the front entrance.

For the ones getting dropped off like that it usually went something like this: Hit them with narcan. They woke up swinging. And then within minutes they walk out on there own...

Same with the ones brought in by the paramedics. They would routinely walk out on their own within minutes after arrival. The EMT's would narcan them on the ride in.

 

[Cherrypea]

I assume this is intravenously since orally it will make you vomit.
Is it possible to use and OD rectally ?

Yes it is but you need a higher dose and it's not quite as reliable as IV

 

[Bauhaus]

Yes it is but you need a higher dose and it's not quite as reliable as IV

But if the dose is high enough it will be reliable ?
And it won't make you puke, I mean you OD fast enough before it reaches your stomach through your blood ?

 

[Deleted member 14386]

Most of the hardcore overdoses I saw routinely was of paramedics bringing them in, or people dragging the OD person out of their cars to lay them down at the front entrance.

For the ones getting dropped off like that it usually went something like this: Hit them with narcan. They woke up swinging. And then within minutes they walk out on there own...

Same with the ones brought in by the paramedics. They would routinely walk out on their own within minutes after arrival. The EMT's would narcan them on the ride in.

oh god I was one of these patients, tbh though it wasn't intentional and I thought someone was trying to mess up my 'high'. Narcan when addicted is lifesaving, but a really bad experience since I had to stay for 24+ hours. Anyone who's been an opiate addict can see where I'm coming from! That's the issue with opiate OD's, they're easily fixed and paramedics carry narcan as do the police
even then if you are found by anyone, narcan is given and you'll live, even after 30 mins of cpr (talking from experience)

 

[trainwreck2]

Could any of you kind nurses take a look at my thread and give your opinion? I'm not saying any of the advice I got is wrong, just looking for a couple medical opinions. Thanks to everyone! https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/need-help-from-someone-knowledgeable-about-needles-ods.47446/

 

[fat feet]

When I read the partners thread I always wonder why almost nobody wants to use opioid overdose for suicide.. I mean this seems to be the most peaceful way and probably without severe damage if you wake up again.
In contrast to SN which most people here seem to prefer. But it has some really negative reports by people who failed with it. Like pain, nausea, I would get panic waiting like 15-30 minutes until it kicks in. And if you survive I could imagine this will last for days or weeks or you might even get irreversible damage...

I would have to find a drug dealer, more stress than needed. My luck I would get busted. Lol.

Not totally sure?

It is likely possible some of it could be the resulting legal issues which could arise is one of the reasons. If needing to use street dealers or other means, and the risk of police involvement?

I worked in emergency as a nurse for many years. Plenty of times I have helped to take care of people who had overdosed.

This is what sticks out to me about opioid overdose. The people look absolutely peaceful as they start slipping away.

Seen morphine alone administered to a person with terminal cancer slip away in a matter of minutes.

Very peacful.

They you have to find a dealer to get the drugs. A whole new dilemma in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 14386]

I would have to find a drug dealer, more stress than needed. My luck I would get busted. Lol.


They you have to find a dealer to get the drugs. A whole new dilemma in my opinion.

also not any dealer, the first dealer you find will give you mostly dirt, you need to build up a lasting relationship with them until you get the good stuff, unless on the dnms. Even then it's very sketchy

 

[fat feet]

also not any dealer, the first dealer you find will give you mostly dirt, you need to build up a lasting relationship with them until you get the good stuff, unless on the dnms. Even then it's very sketchy

Ya that seems like a lot of effort and money to go through.

 

[Deleted member 14386]

I think that's why it's uncommon, believe me I'd love to go this way and I do have access to great quality H, but it's just not reliable. Then whatever money you spend can be easily reversed with one naltrex kit

 

[alexit]

I think that's why it's uncommon, believe me I'd love to go this way and I do have access to great quality H, but it's just not reliable. Then whatever money you spend can be easily reversed with one naltrex kit

Not reliable? You just killed a dream. I appreciate the info but always sad when a dream dies.

 

[fat feet]

Not reliable? You just killed a dream. I appreciate the info but always sad when a dream dies.

I have felt that way reading some of the threads from time to time. Sorry that that happened tonight.

 

[Deleted member 14386]

Not reliable? You just killed a dream. I appreciate the info but always sad when a dream dies.

I'm sorry, it was my dream too if that helps lol......
:/ I'm guessing not! Sorry!

 

[morningdew]

It does seem strange so many people OD by mistake but it's not a common methods used. As mentioned above, maybe its just not having access to whats needed.

 

[Spitfire]

I took all 3 liquid meds orally, but they all burned my throat after awhile, so I asked for pill form instead.

And a couple more pics.

I got a few more f patches today. If I ctb the day my meds are delivered, it might not take too long to collect enough (would 15 be enough?). I'm just scared that I'll wake up the next morning because my body isn't absorbing due to lack of body fat. I guess every method brings some paranoia with it.

Thanks for flipping the packages around. I was on a small mobile device yesterday, and could not really see them.

What you have in medicine and supplies are not specific things I have experience with using. They would not be used in an emergency.. we do not ever set-up subcutaneous lines in an emergency setting. Not to say I am not familiar with what they are or never seen them before, or things like them.

I would rip into a package like that in an instant in order to establish IV access on an infant without a doubt. In the emergency department we have tons of packages and different types of set-ups, and we would use them in ways to suit whatever purpose needed sometimes...

A butterfly needle with wings, tubing with a clamp, a 10ml syringe, tape, and dressings are worth something.

I am interested in your medicines. I am not familiar with the specifics on the ones you have, to be sure about them? These are oral medicines. They look like good medicines. The Oxycodone is potent. The Morphine is potent. The Ativan is standard dosage, but a large volume of it...

You just have a tolerance and issue of malabsorption to the oral medications.

I need to look them up when I get the time in order to know more about the medicine. I am most interested to know more about the morphine.

If you get a weeks supply of the patches at a time of 100mcg Fentanyl, it would make sense to plan the day accordingly.

Have you thought about getting a port?

 

[Soul]

I thought SN would often not do irreversible damage?

That's my understanding as well. It would be good if @Depressive1995 would edit out that bit.

 

[Spitfire]

I accidentally posted a reply in a wrong thread.

I don't know if that could be moved, or if I should erase it? I am going to copy and paste it to the correct thread now though.

 

[spider2020]

Seen morphine alone administered to a person with terminal cancer slip away in a matter of minutes.

Very peacful.

I always thought Opioid Overdose was a kind of most unpeaceful death, with seizures, tremorts, swrating, vomiting, nausea.
Maybe I was wrong but it still scares me.

I'll be looking for oral morphine LD50. I don't think it would be enough, sonce it's sold as a meducation drug, with much less bio availability than ontravenous route (also impossible to take since it's salt, I think).

Maybe it's good for the SN route for those suffering from neuropathic pain, but I felt oral morphine (used rarely in very bad flareups) has a very acid taste, probably because citric acid is used as an anti-oxidation preservative, whose acidity hits suddenly after drinking it, al least in my case with chronic reflux and a atinflammatory to be taken every day: I probably have a very senditive stomach.

A worry I have about the SN regimen is abandoning esomeorazol at least two week before: it's near to imposdible in my case, but I cand grind my teeth and go on withouth eso. eprazol, if I have to. Chronic neurpathi cpain has forged me, unfortunately I should say: nothing to be proud of...

Do you remember the amount of iv morphine usually administered to a terminal (and already debilitated) patient in his last moments?

thank you

 

[bigdog]

I think if the dosage is enough it would s a very good way to go

 

[MariV]

what about tapentadol? i have many boxes

 

[Aap]

Good lord, no. You DO NOT want to od from opioids that have a spectrum of activity that depart the opioid receptors and start hitting NE and or 5HT.

 

[Spitfire]

I always thought Opioid Overdose was a kind of most unpeaceful death, with seizures, tremorts, swrating, vomiting, nausea.
Maybe I was wrong but it still scares me.

I'll be looking for oral morphine LD50. I don't think it would be enough, sonce it's sold as a meducation drug, with much less bio availability than ontravenous route (also impossible to take since it's salt, I think).

Maybe it's good for the SN route for those suffering from neuropathic pain, but I felt oral morphine (used rarely in very bad flareups) has a very acid taste, probably because citric acid is used as an anti-oxidation preservative, whose acidity hits suddenly after drinking it, al least in my case with chronic reflux and a atinflammatory to be taken every day: I probably have a very senditive stomach.

A worry I have about the SN regimen is abandoning esomeorazol at least two week before: it's near to imposdible in my case, but I cand grind my teeth and go on withouth eso. eprazol, if I have to. Chronic neurpathi cpain has forged me, unfortunately I should say: nothing to be proud of...

Do you remember the amount of iv morphine usually administered to a terminal (and already debilitated) patient in his last moments?

thank you

I remember it for the one I mentioned. I would not want to quantify this though, as it was not a usual thing, and so I would not have that answer. I sure imagine it would vary a lot from person to person for the minimum dose required though.

For example, I have also seen a terminal person all of 80 lbs maxed out on a IV drip of both fentanyl and dilaudid who held on for days while the family also pushed the button for them every 10 minutes. This person was even nearly 100% opiate naive at the time when they hooked those drugs up too, I can guarantee that. The nurses taking care of this person were in complete shock by day 6 or 7, when these levels of those two medications was reached for this person and they were still breathing. I am sure this is an outlier.

A lot of heroin deaths would be occurring, but I was not there when any of those people shot up to really know if it was intentional, or for how much?

 

[Ghost2211]

Hard to get, pricey, and if people find you they are easy as hell to reverse but Would suck.

 

[Amumu]

I don't think that N is more reliable or easier to find than F, does it?
So I don't understand either.
Law of supply and demand.
Since demand for N is very low, C is almost in monopoly online.
On the contrary demand for F is high enough so that there is competition

 

[spider2020]

I sure imagine it would vary a lot from person to person for the minimum dose required though.

It comes to my mind that emergency fentanyl pills or patches are labeled for use by "already opioid-accustomed patient" or something like that, so the lethal dosage may vary a lot between a chronic sufferee, an addict, a genetically predisposed person that does not methabolize opioids well, a "normal" and a terminal person.