Why do people believe that life is a miracle?

[sserafim]

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[Malaria]

My guess is that their religion they were brought up with taught them that.

 

[divinemistress36]

Cause they are delusional and out of touch with reality

 

[Homo erectus]

I think life is a Frankensteinian creation, not miracle.

 

[sserafim]

I think life is a Frankensteinian creation, not miracle.

Literally

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

My guess is that their religion they were brought up with taught them that.

or worded slightly differently: because they want you to believe in god

 

[sserafim]

or worded slightly differently: because they want you to believe in god

Why? Why do they care if you believe in God or not? How does it concern them?

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

Why? Why do they care if you believe in God or not? How does it concern them?

`because they want your tithe.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Life itself is a miracle bc actually it consists of dead atoms and molecules that become "alive" in certain configurations and manage to reproduce themselves and build more complex structures, like bacteria and all life that exists on earth.

Just bc we humans make our lives hard due to how we force ourselves to live - mainly in concrete deserts (=cities) and not in nature we can't blame life in general for our problems.

 

[OrphicEnd]

Maybe they're saying this from a neutral point of view, the conception of life is one of the most impressive and things resulting from chance and time to create it from nothing then develop it.

 

[sserafim]

Life itself is a miracle bc actually it consists of dead atoms and molecules that become "alive" in certain configurations and manage to reproduce themselves and build more complex structures, like bacteria and all life that exists on earth.

Just bc we humans make our lives hard due to how we force ourselves to live - mainly in concrete deserts (=cities) and not in nature we can't blame life in general for our problems.

Life is the cause for our problems though. I blame life in general for my problems. I only have these problems because I'm alive. If I never existed, I would never have any problems

Maybe they're saying this from a neutral point of view, the conception of life is one of the most impressive and things resulting from chance and time to create it from nothing then develop it.

Didn't life arise from reactions with different proteins and shit? And life wasn't created from nothing, it came from a sperm and an egg

Life itself is a miracle bc actually it consists of dead atoms and molecules that become "alive" in certain configurations and manage to reproduce themselves and build more complex structures, like bacteria and all life that exists on earth.

Just bc we humans make our lives hard due to how we force ourselves to live - mainly in concrete deserts (=cities) and not in nature we can't blame life in general for our problems.

Why do you think that those certain configurations make dead atoms and molecules become "alive"? What's special about them? And why do (did) molecules reproduce themselves and build more complex structures?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Life is the cause for our problems though. I blame life in general for my problems. I only have these problems because I'm alive. If I never existed, I would never have any problems

No, life is the cause of our problems we have. A lot of our problems exist bc we created an unnatural environment in which we have to live now. If we still live in nature, in our natural habitat, we would have much less problems. Basically food - water - a place to sleep is what we humans need like all other animals but in today's world this isn't a life for many anymore.

Y do you not want to exist bc you have "problems" that you might not have if we still live in and from nature - nature provides everything for free - we'd not have to work for getting what we need from nature - that was the case up until about 10-12k years ago when humans started to settle down and started agriculture and all that things started to change.

 

[sserafim]

NO, life is the cause of our problems we have. A lot of our problems exist bc we created an unnatural environment in which we have to live now. If we still live in nature, in our natural habitat, we would have much less problems. Basically food - water - a place to sleep is what we humans need like all other animals but in today's world this isn't a life for many anymore.

Y do you not want to exist bc you have "problems" that you might not have if we still live in and from nature - nature provides everything for free - we'd not have to work for getting what we need from nature - that was the case up until about 10-12k years ago when humans started to settle down and started agriculture and all that.

Nature isn't all fun and games. It's a fight to the death

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

It kind of is, but that doesn't mean it's a good one.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Nature isn't all fun and games. It's a fight to the death

Yes it is! Everything is gonna die that's a law in the universe, that's nothing bad from this point of view. It'd be interesting if early humans had such thoughts already.

 

[sserafim]

It kind of is, but that doesn't mean it's a good one.

How is life a miracle? I see nothing "miraculous" about it

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Why do you think that those certain configurations make dead atoms and molecules become "alive"? What's special about them?

That's sth we don't know what it is that caused that step! It's yet unknown afaik.

 

[sserafim]

That's sth we don't know what it is that caused that step! It's yet unknown afaik.

Serendipity?

 

[Morte]

life is an extremely rare event in the cosmos and it is even rarer for you to be born, assuming you had to compete against millions of gametes. We are incredibly unlucky to be here.

 

[sserafim]

life is an extremely rare event in the cosmos and it is even rarer for you to be born, assuming that you had to compete against millions of gametes. We are incredibly unlucky to be here.

Do you believe that (intelligent) extraterrestrial life exists? I agree, we *are* incredibly unlucky. Why me over literally anyone else…I wish that a different sperm won the race.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Didn't life arise from reactions with different proteins and shit? And life wasn't created from nothing, it came from a sperm and an egg

That is already VERY complex "life" or better said complex parts of "life"!

Do you believe that (intelligent) extraterrestrial life exists?

Yes it's almost certain that it exists. Even if it happened only once in every galaxy bc so many conditions must be met. The vast number of galaxies is enough to make it happen statistically once in each galaxy then the universe is full of life.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

How is it a miracle? I see nothing miraculous about it

I only mean in the improbable way life itself seems to have formed on this planet. With how uncommon it seems to be throughout the rest of the observed universe I'd say it's pretty rare. It's only a miracle in the same way it would be if someone crashed into your car after your spouse files for divorce and your house burns down and an identity thief empties your entire bank account all in the same day. I guess that could be considered some kind of a miracle.

 

[sserafim]

I only mean in the improbable way life itself seems to have formed on this planet. With how uncommon it seems to be throughout the rest of the observed universe I'd say it's pretty rare. It's only a miracle in the same way it would be if someone crashed into your car after your spouse files for divorce and your house burns down and an identity thief empties your entire bank account then that could be considered some kind of a miracle.

Do you not believe in extraterrestrial life? There's got to be something else out there…

 

[Professor K]

they are deluded with cultural values as we all are, only, this one differs from ours

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Do you not believe in extraterrestrial life?

I believe it's out there but all the right conditions need to happen and it's clear that those are pretty difficult to come by. The planet can't be too close or too far from the star it's orbiting. The atmosphere needs the right compounds to suddenly decide to band together and form life. Carbohydrates alone are ridiculously complex for seemingly no reason. With how the universe is expanding and making it more difficult to see what's further beyond it's unlikely we'll ever get to meet extraterrestrial life anytime soon.

 

[sserafim]

I believe it's out there but all the right conditions need to happen and it's clear that those are pretty difficult to come by. The planet can't be too close or too far from the star it's orbiting. The atmosphere needs the right compounds to suddenly decide to band together and form life. Carbohydrates alone are ridiculously complex for seemingly no reason.

Well then, I guess that earth is (was) the perfect storm…what if there's other kinds of life? Like silicon based or something?

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Well then I guess that earth is (was) the perfect storm…

Our planet having water might also be the main instigator of life. We've found some planets and moons in our solar system with traces of water but there either isn't enough in these places or it's all frozen over. Maybe water is the greatest evil.

 

[Morte]

Do you believe that (intelligent) extraterrestrial life exists? I agree, we *are* incredibly unlucky. Why me over literally anyone else…I wish that a different sperm won the race.

Yes, it would be very strange for us to be alone in the entire universe. For me, intelligent alien life is a much more intriguing mystery than afterlife. At least the first one I am convinced exists.

 

[dreamscape1111]

Because it is, how you feel about it is another matter.



"Bad religion is self-righteous, arrogant, and intolerant. And so is bad science. But unlike religious fundamentalists, scientific fundamentalists do not realize that their opinions are based on faith. They think they know the truth."

- Rupert Sheldrake

 

[sserafim]

Because it is, how you feel about it is another matter.

How so? Don't just say so without explaining why

Our planet having water might also be the main instigator of life. We've found some planets and moons in our solar system with traces of water but there either isn't enough in these places or it's all frozen over. Maybe water is the greatest evil.

Perhaps it is…fuck H2O. Do you think that any other solvents could act like/as water on different planets?