what’s your opinion on people who accidentally take other people with them in a suicide?

[overthrone]

For example, if someone were to jump from a building and crush somebody on their impact, what would you think of them?
Or, if somebody were speeding into a brick wall and hit someone right before the crash, what would you think of them then?

 

[Kabalite]

That they were awful and uncaring of others and my sympathy for them and their reason for wanting to die would be pretty much nonexistent. You want to exit life, fine. Just don't take anyone else with you that doesn't want to go. You should really avoid bringing any harm to anyone else with your actions. They didn't ask to be brought into your suicide.

 

[fluorescentpearl]

I'm torn, on one hand they were overwhelmed and unable to even see others or feel anything outside their own anguish, and on the other they have taken a passerby with them, I suppose in the end we all die anyway but I'd prefer if we got to choose our way out, it's a complicated thing to ponder

When my mother attempted she didn't think about how I'd feel or any of her family, she just did it because she needed Out, I was very hurt and upset but with time I kind of understand her, even if she was abandoning me with my stepdad by doing that she saw no other way out

 

[chloeburbank]

when i read the title, i thought u meant someone's ctb causing ppl in their life to also ctb. thats something im really scared of cause theres someone im close with who also struggles mentally and i dont want to be the reason they go down the same path.

 

[Le temps perdu]

I believe everyone should avoid causing physical harm to others during a suicide attempt. However, if they genuinely tried to avoid harming anyone (for example, they checked that no one was below before jumping, but still landed on a passer-by because of a blind spot or someone entering the area unexpectedly), I would see it as a tragic accident. The person who wanted to die was genuinely suffering, and the passer-by was genuinely innocent.

 

[Intoxicated]

However, if they genuinely tried to avoid harming anyone (for example, they checked that no one was below before jumping, but still landed on a passer-by because of a blind spot or someone entering the area unexpectedly), I would see it as a tragic accident.

I'd rather qualify that as criminal negligence, since locations where people may "unexpectedly" appear from blind spots must not be chosen for landing in the first place. A person who ignores blind spots when jumping is similar to a reckless car driver moving at 120 km/h in the oncoming traffic lane at the end of the ascent - if he hits a car and somehow survives the accident, he deserves to be put in jail.

 

[Estrella87]

If someone want to take his/her own live it's something, everybody is free, but taking someone else life is unacceptable imo

 

[Le temps perdu]

I'd rather qualify that as criminal negligence, since locations where people may "unexpectedly" appear from blind spots must not be chosen for landing in the first place. A person who ignores blind spots when jumping is similar to a reckless car driver moving at 120 km/h in the oncoming traffic lane at the end of the ascent - if he hits a car and somehow survives the accident, he deserves to be put in jail.

I agree with you. I think that if someone jumps from a building and ends up hitting a passer-by, they should absolutely be held responsible.

 

[pleroman]

There are many of us who want to die at least partly because we know we are not good souls, have harmed others or ourselves through poor choices.
Not here to defend anyone's harmful actions btw!

But if we take a deep breath and zoom out, it's a predictable outcome of extremist anti-suicide policies and measures.
You can look at it individually or in terms of things like traffic laws or infrastructure that increase/decrease accidents, or policies on other issues that will invariably result in some statistical outcome on things like drug overdoses, disease, etc.

There's no definitive proof, but I imagine a huge number of even intentional "going out with a bang" like mass shootings would be averted if we had proper pipelines towards euthanasia. Imagine for example a kid who is bullied at school relentlessly and their parents are trash or whatever and they take a gun from their passed-out druggie parents and shoot up the school or whatever. AGAIN not defending things.

But if we had a more responsible, harshly sober, painfully honest and sane look at realities, the kid might have been offered the means to end themselves peacefully. Some may say that's bad or lets the bullies win or whatever. Duh, that's the world we live in. Depends on how you look at it: for example is it more humane or righteous to put down a rabid racoon on a schoolyard a bunch of kids are tormenting, or wait for the rabid beast to react. The natural reality won't go away because we WISH the kids would be mindful and avoid the raccoon or get it help or just not torment animals.

 

[Le temps perdu]

But if we take a deep breath and zoom out, it's a predictable outcome of extremist anti-suicide policies and measures.

If society had a well-established system of MAID , I think the risk of tragedies like this would be much lower. I believe that if given the choice, most people would choose MAID rather than methods like jumping from a building or other high-risk methods that could potentially harm innocent bystanders. It would be more humane for the person involved to have the option of a peaceful exit, and it could also reduce some of the broader impacts associated with suicide.

This might be a bit off-topic, but if a society doesn't have MAID, no matter where someone chooses to die or what method they choose, it can still leave innocent bystanders who witness the scene with lasting psychological distress.

 

[50/50]

Doesnt matter, life is a gamble anyway

Maybe the person that is crushed would have suffered more in the rest of their life than felt joy

Maybe you freed this person

 

[pleroman]

If society had a well-established system of MAID , I think the risk of tragedies like this would be much lower. I believe that if given the choice, most people would choose MAID rather than methods like jumping from a building or other high-risk methods that could potentially harm innocent bystanders.

I also suspect a robust MAID program would prevent so much pain. Granted there's no definitive proof, but to me it makes sense.

Here's another thought experiment example of "suicide prevention" in action:

Suppose you have a suicidal person whose gun rights were removed. Let's say we have magical insight into exactly what they would do had they kept their rights, and that action would have been calmly eating a bullet safely (for others) and privately somewhere.

Anti-suicide policies might count those gun rights restrictions as a "life saved" figure. Say, "1000 suicides by firearms were prevented in 2026." Sounds wholesome and like something everyone can get on board with and really champion.

Now suppose that person's pain and mental health issues are not rectifiable through CBT, meditation, morning sunlight, yoga, cold showers, vegan, carnivore, music, religion, lack of religion, or whatever the blanket "evidence-based" solutions we have say should fix it.

That person desperately stands in front of a train after a year of misery and hunting for better options. Unexpectedly, improbably, somehow their body gets mangled just right under the train and derails it. Train crash kills thousands.

 

[0x64]

I get that their in a dark place but they should also be responsible for their actions and ensure nobody could get injured

 

[Die.A.Ria]

I hate that so much its so sad :(

 

[Disabledfromjump7]

It is irresponsible. I jumped from an overpass but hit grass because I wouldn't hurt someone else. I lived but even in psychosis I realized it would be wrong to hurt someone else.

No matter how you live your life don't hurt another. I would not wish this injury I'm living with on another person.

 

[PugnaEnjoyer2137]

Doesnt matter, life is a gamble anyway

Maybe the person that is crushed would have suffered more in the rest of their life than felt joy

Maybe you freed this person

You'd never know, and it's immoral to assume so. I don't think anybody should decide for other people in that manner.
It's wrong to hurt others when trying to stop your own pain

 

[dirkw83]

Mmm I think accidents happen, even on a scale of deaths. That is just the way it is. But CTB with disregard for others "i don't care what happens to others since I'll be dead anyway" is a rotten attitude imo.

 

[siphon_hyphen]

I think it is incredibly reckless, and that you should be extremely careful not to drag anyone down with you, but if it's truly an earnest genuine accident? I couldn't hate someone for it. I think that, even when you are very careful, it's still possible for things to go wrong and for someone else to get hurt.

I think what really matters, is that if you end up surviving your attempt and the other person doesn't, you need to take full accountability.

 

[PnCinSyzygy]

This is why I am happy I have no family and my friends are few and far away. Nobody will miss me, nobody will look for my remains. I will vanish from the face of the earth as if I have never been.

It's important to have no guilt or regrets, in life and in death.

 

[+lostdog+]

lot of assumptions here.

Doesnt matter, life is a gamble anyway

Maybe the person that is crushed would have suffered more in the rest of their life than felt joy

Maybe you freed this person

lot of assumptions here. its still removing their autonomy and immoral.

 

[MeSauce]

I believe the idea of the right to die exists on the premise that your actions only directly affect you. Considering the morality of the right to die movement, you have a moral obligation to ensure nobody will die directly because of your actions.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

It's inexcusable. Choose a method that won't put others in harm's way.

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[Intoxicated]

There's no definitive proof, but I imagine a huge number of even intentional "going out with a bang" like mass shootings would be averted if we had proper pipelines towards euthanasia. Imagine for example a kid who is bullied at school relentlessly and their parents are trash or whatever and they take a gun from their passed-out druggie parents and shoot up the school or whatever.

Those who do mass shootings try to fight injustice, they want revenge, not just killing themselves. I see literally no reasons for them to contact MAID organizations if such were available.

But if we had a more responsible, harshly sober, painfully honest and sane look at realities, the kid might have been offered the means to end themselves peacefully. Some may say that's bad or lets the bullies win or whatever. Duh, that's the world we live in.

I can't imagine a MAID organization that would qualify bullying as a valid reason to assist in dying - so it wouldn't pursue the goal of stopping bullying by actions against the bullies or removing the victim from the toxic environment in the first place. Besides that, I hardly imagine that such victiums would really consider contacting MAID as a possibility. They often refuse to seek help from any adults.

 

[pleroman]

Those who do mass shootings try to fight injustice, they want revenge, not just killing themselves. I see literally no reasons for them to contact MAID organizations if such were available.

I can't imagine a MAID organization that would qualify bullying as a valid reason to assist in dying - so it wouldn't pursue the goal of stopping bullying by actions against the bullies or removing the victim from the toxic environment in the first place. Besides that, I hardly imagine that such victiums would really consider contacting MAID as a possibility. They often refuse to seek help from any adults.

It won't prevent all.
But some of us are treated poorly presumably because we deserve it.
If open-access MAID systems were rolled out, it's hard to predict but we can guess cultures would change in several ways.
Had my likely life trajectory been laid out, had it explained to me I was bullied because nature is demonstrating that I am scum etc (like an outcast kid in Lord of the Flies), I would likely have gone for it at a young age. That would have spared me incalculable amounts of suffering.