Venting What does "violent incel" mean? I was called that today.

[_Alfarooq_]

After I said that I hate women a lot, and that they are my enemies, especially the ones in this area, because I am always offended by either them, or members of their family. I was accused of being horny and called a creepy bastard multiple time without even intending to. They are right, right? Don't you agree? Which adds another reason to the list why I am not compatible for living in this world. This world isn't for me at all. Where are my CTB pills?

But anyway is this the definition of it?

 

[EndJstifiesTheMeans]

Violent incel are like Elliot Rodger, not you for sure, people are evil and defamate you even if you didn't hurt anyone

 

[Someone123]

Well, when you start hating a whole group of people rather than evaluating each person as an individual you are going down the wrong pathe for sure- just like it would be unfair to hate you because you are a guy. It would help to strat wth the idea that you need to get to know a person, and their real character, befoe you decidde if you like them or not. I am hoping you can find a way to do this, because there are caring people, including caring women, who can help you in this world if you will take a n approach like this- this much change isn't easy and it takes some time, but it would be worth it.

 

[nadia225]

incel means involuntarily celibate aka "you don't receive female attention in form". jokes aside maybe you should idk separate yourself for a while from them if possible since they seem to be causing distress and self doubt. I would recommend learning to ignore them and also assess why you hate a certain group of people because it isn't really healthy nor productive to hold on to ideals like that (same with women who say they hate all men…like identify who hurt you and recognize that all of these people aren't bad, you are attracting and allowing the wrong individuals to leech off your life force and reliving your trauma through toxicity)

 

[_Alfarooq_]

Well, when you start hating a whole group of people rather than evaluating each person as an individual you are going down the wrong pathe for sure- just like it would be unfair to hate you because you are a guy. It would help to strat wth the idea that you need to get to know a person, and their real character, befoe you decidde if you like them or not. I am hoping you can find a way to do this, because there are caring people, including caring women, who can help you in this world if you will take a n approach like this- this much change isn't easy and it takes some time, but it would be worth it.

Thanks for the information.

 

[AllFoxedOut]

hating women is literally the definition of misogyny, which is deeply rooted in the incel movement. I'd say it's necessary but not sufficient to be classed as an incel.

as for violent, well, that speaks for itself. did you make a threat towards a woman or something?

 

[_Alfarooq_]

hating women is literally the definition of misogyny, which is deeply rooted in the incel movement. I'd say it's necessary but not sufficient to be classed as an incel.

as for violent, well, that speaks for itself. did you make a threat towards a woman or something?

Nope, I did not. I just overall hate them so much because the majority of them have been bad to me before, I always get the evil looks, and I am always uneasy and uncomfortable being around them.

 

[AllFoxedOut]

Nope, I did not. I just overall hate them so much because the majority of them have been bad to me before, I always get the evil looks, and I am always uneasy and uncomfortable being around them.

I understand. women have also not treated me very well. but on the other hand, neither have men. my best friends have mostly been women too. the love of my life was a woman.

I guess my point is... people are people. people hurt people. it's nothing intrinsic to women, or men. I'm sorry you have been treated so poorly.

 

[アホペンギン]

I understand. women have also not treated me very well. but on the other hand, neither have men. my best friends have mostly been women too. the love of my life was a woman.

I guess my point is... people are people. people hurt people. it's nothing intrinsic to women, or men. I'm sorry you have been treated so poorly.

Hey @AllFoxedOut , this is offtopic but are you still in the psych ward?

 

[AllFoxedOut]

Hey @AllFoxedOut , this is offtopic but are you still in the psych ward?

I am. I'm out in the next 2 weeks though. I'm barely keeping it together but thank you for asking! I didn't realise I had been noticed that much here :)

 

[_Alfarooq_]

I understand. women have also not treated me very well. but on the other hand, neither have men. my best friends have mostly been women too. the love of my life was a woman.

I guess my point is... people are people. people hurt people. it's nothing intrinsic to women, or men. I'm sorry you have been treated so poorly.

People hurt people, all the time. Not even animals and insects hurt each other this much.

 

[fwompie]

Called you that because you encouraged someone to commit a violent act on a woman who flirted, was broken up with and was fine with that. Yo stated you hate woman, you stated you endorse that violence on women.

 

[SexyIncél]

Yeah, "incel" has a couple meanings:

1. a lonely misogynist guy who despises women because he can't get them to act as his playthings
2. a dog-whistle to bully/humiliate men deemed insufficiently masculine

These may define two ends of a spectrum. I'd guess someone called you a "violent incel" because your earlier post fit #1 (as opposed to #2)

I should say that modern redpillers use terms like "high/low quality" women & men. (Poorly reinventing Aristotle's explanation.) So they can avoid misogyny, by saying most men too haven't put in the effort to build intellectual & moral virtues

(fwiw Aristotle thinks you build intellectual virtues by teaching; moral ones by practicing moral interventions)

 

[UKscotty]

To me, a guy who hates women because he can't get any to like him.
The violent bit would be expression of wanting to do haem, or actually harming.

 

[_Alfarooq_]

Called you that because you encouraged someone to commit a violent act on a woman who flirted, was broken up with and was fine with that. Yo stated you hate woman, you stated you endorse that violence on women.

You, you were the person who said this. I only made a suggestion, because I was angry for him. I would fight back. (I don't have any intention of harming women in general) ANd yes I hate women for a very good reason, I don't hate them out of sexism. They were very bad to me. Of course you have to be very bad to someone to earn their hatred.

 

[fwompie]

You, you were the person who said this. I only made a suggestion, because I was angry for him. I would fight back. (I don't have any intention of harming women in general) ANd yes I hate women for a very good reason, I don't hate them out of sexism. They were very bad to me. Of course you have to be very bad to someone to earn their hatred.

You're ridiculous. We didn't know anything about the situation, you have no idea how bad it was,, to suggest violence is absolutely disproportionate and dangerous. A woman hurt you and you think that's a reason to recommend violence to all of them? Stop spreading this type of stuff.

 

[Al Gul]

yes I hate women for a very good reason, I don't hate them out of sexism. They were very bad to me.

This is sexism, by definition. A few women, or however many, do not represent all women. This makes you sexist. They're individuals too.

 

[_Alfarooq_]

This is sexism, by definition. A few women, or however many, do not represent all women. This makes you sexist. They're individuals too.

You're ridiculous. We didn't know anything about the situation, you have no idea how bad it was,, to suggest violence is absolutely disproportionate and dangerous. A woman hurt you and you think that's a reason to recommend violence to all of them? Stop spreading this type of stuff.

Ok, maybe I was going a bit too far. I was just angry about how some stupid specific individuals were treating me. I know there are some good people out there, including women. But they are pretty rare to find.

 

[mind3de]

Have you tried finding female friends? I am a volcel (voluntarily celibate), but I don't hate women. I know I have mental health problems, so it's not their fault.
If you find female friends rather than finding a (sexual/romantic) partner, you will be able to see women much more as human beings.

 

[_Alfarooq_]

Have you tried finding female friends? I am a volcel (voluntarily celibate), but I don't hate women. I know I have mental health problems, so it's not their fault.
If you find female friends rather than finding a (sexual/romantic) partner, you will be able to see women much more as human beings.

That's actually a good idea, thanks for that. I'll try.

I have had mental health problems from some women, but sometimes I blame myself for that, but also them for making me feel this way.

 

[Aloneisbestforme]

I feel you on this.

Alot of women in my life use to hurt me. in real life and online and it sucked so much.
It gotten so bad to the point I started to think all women were bad and I hated them all because The only women I spoke to were all pos and I never had any good female contact so my mind was like that for a long time.

and what I hated about this is when I tried talking about this with someone I use to know. They called me a incel that hated women because I couldn't get sex. that was far from the truth I would never hate all women for that reason and When I tried to tell him that's not the case he would think i'm lying.

I just wanted a good female friend to help my mind with this hatred. I wanted to believe not all women were like this and thankfully I found one that was very sweet. though the friendship ended because I was very stupid at the end and that she kinda became a pos which hurt alot but I made it through (kinda)

nowadays I just suffer from a light case from gynophobia (fear of women) I don't hate them anymore thankfully. anyone can be bad people/good people and now I can see them as human beings just like men.

Also you are not a incel from what it seems and far from a "Violent incel" and I understand your anger of saying this. it's not good to say that but I do understand and I hope you can find a female friend that can help ease the hatred and pain.

Hopefully this helped

 

[_Alfarooq_]

I feel you on this.

Alot of women in my life use to hurt me. in real life and online and it sucked so much.
It gotten so bad to the point I started to think all women were bad and I hated them all because The only women I spoke to were all pos and I never had any good female contact so my mind was like that for a long time.

and what I hated about this is when I tried talking about this with someone I use to know. They called me a incel that hated women because I couldn't get sex. that was far from the truth I would never hate all women for that reason and When I tried to tell him that's not the case he would think i'm lying.

I just wanted a good female friend to help my mind with this hatred. I wanted to believe not all women were like this and thankfully I found one that was very sweet. though the friendship ended because I was very stupid at the end and that she kinda became a pos which hurt alot but I made it through (kinda)

nowadays I just suffer from a light case from gynophobia (fear of women) I don't hate them anymore thankfully. anyone can be bad people/good people and now I can see them as human beings just like men.

Also you are not a incel from what it seems and far from a "Violent incel" and I understand your anger of saying this. it's not good to say that but I do understand and I hope you can find a female friend that can help ease the hatred and pain.

Hopefully this helped

Yes, this did help. Thank you for your story as I can see how much it relates to mine. And I also experience a fear of women in general because I fear that I do something stupid in front of them, and then that day would be one of the worst days of my life.

What does "pos" stand for? I don't seem to be able to figure that out.

 

[Forever Sleep]

It sounds more like you hate how (maybe the majority of) women in your life have made you feel and- you are wary about meeting more that do the same. That's understandable. No one enjoys being hurt or made to look foolish. 'Hate's' quite a strong word though. Maybe saying you don't trust women, feel suspicious or wary of them is more accurate? I don't know. Depends on how badly they have treated you I suppose as to how much you hate the entire gender. I'm wary of men. I wouldn't say I hate them but I certainly don't trust them as a rule.

Of your past encounters- only you and them know the details of it- as to who was behaving unreasonably. Maybe you have only ever come across very bitchy women! I don't know.

The whole incel thing tends to paint a picture of sexually frustrated men though- who get angry with women because they won't agree to sleep with them. In my view- It's unreasonable to just expect anyone to sleep with you! Of course, rejection is upsetting and I get why guys feel frustrated that some women probably won't even give them a chance.

Still- they should be angry at society in general for that. Just as women should be. Both genders tend to go for certain attributes. Maybe part of it is 'natural'. Maybe men go for youth, health and looks as it points to a womans fertility and women go for looks and money because they also value appearances and financial stability- especially if they want children.

Of course- that may not apply to you anyway. You may not feel like you're involuntarily celibate at all. Maybe you don't even want women to sleep with you if you hate them. I think people tend to throw around the term when talk of women hatred comes up. If they felt offended by it- presuming they were women you were talking to (people don't really like being told someone hates them!) then- I guess it's a way of insulting you back- as in- you only hate us because you're sexually frustrated.

 

[Aloneisbestforme]

I'm glad it help

Yes, this did help. Thank you for your story as I can see how much it relates to mine. And I also experience a fear of women in general because I fear that I do something stupid in front of them, and then that day would be one of the worst days of my life.

What does "pos" stand for? I don't seem to be able to figure that out.

When I saw Your post I had to respond because I can relate to you and I don't want you to feel like that at all. It's such a bad feeling

And pos means, piece of shit

 

[Moxim]

That's actually a good idea, thanks for that. I'll try.

I have had mental health problems from some women, but sometimes I blame myself for that, but also them for making me feel this way.

You could even try reading some books by female authors. After reading two of Jane Goodall's memoirs I ended up developing such a deep reverence for her and her work that it actually improved my opinion on the female gender as a whole. Might sound silly, but it's true. And that's coming from someone who has had the overwhelming majority of females in their life act in ways that demonstrated some degree of pettiness or vindictiveness as a trait. It's quite easy to develop a poor opinion of a group when every single personal encounter you have with one of its members ends up amounting to some kind of negative experience. But deficits of character and shitty people are everywhere, sadly.

 

[BluesRunTheGame]

A violent incel would suggest someone who is an involuntary celibate has also committed violence.

 

[Ernest1964]

After I said that I hate women a lot, and that they are my enemies, especially the ones in this area, because I am always offended by either them, or members of their family. I was accused of being horny and called a creepy bastard multiple time without even intending to. They are right, right? Don't you agree? Which adds another reason to the list why I am not compatible for living in this world. This world isn't for me at all. Where are my CTB pills?

But anyway is this the definition of it?

I lived in Egypt for five years, my suggestion is move to the middle east. Their role of women in society and your attitude toward women in society seem a bit closer aligned. Good luck.

 

[brokeandbroken]

After I said that I hate women a lot, and that they are my enemies, especially the ones in this area, because I am always offended by either them, or members of their family. I was accused of being horny and called a creepy bastard multiple time without even intending to. They are right, right? Don't you agree? Which adds another reason to the list why I am not compatible for living in this world. This world isn't for me at all. Where are my CTB pills?

But anyway is this the definition of it?

To me it seems like to a degree you are blaming other victims of a broken world/society. The enemies are the ones who created it.... The word "enemies" is one of concern though.

 

[_Alfarooq_]

I lived in Egypt for five years, my suggestion is move to the middle east. Their role of women in society and your attitude toward women in society seem a bit closer aligned. Good luck.

I live in the UK currently and plan on visiting the middle east.

 

[SexyIncél]

I lived in Egypt for five years, my suggestion is move to the middle east. Their role of women in society and your attitude toward women in society seem a bit closer aligned. Good luck.

I'd like to visit Rojava. It's in north Syria. In terms of women's rights — and bottom-up democracy too — it just seems way ahead of anywhere else in the world. There's 2 co-leaders at all political levels: 1 man & 1 woman. And women must make up at least 40% of each council, commission, leadership position, court, etc

Clearly they're not fucking around

No surprise the US considers them the world's best ground force against Daesh (ISIS), despite worse weapons. These are exactly the people motivated to destroy sex-slaving fascists. They try to get people in the west to talk about them & maybe help out — but the sight of armed women freaks out liberals ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As many of them say, they have "no friends but the mountains"...

There's a video and a book I've found useful in visualizing wtf's going on there