what do you think of younger people (18-early 20s) who decide to ctb?

[valar_morghulis21]

Early 20s here and I have tried my best to pursue happiness and be content with life in everything I could possibly touch. A tone of different experience just to feel completely numb and empty at the end. Still I don't regret living all those lives and experience pain and all. I don't have a concrete plan to ctb cause it's very much depends on some external factors. But even if you give me 10+ more years, I don't really see the point of keep living and aging in this hell hole. For now I'll just do my best to go on with daily activities and if some people can show me how beautiful humankind and life is sometimes, it'd be a pleasant surprise and I'll cherish it. Otherwise, I have no expectations of anything at all.

And for the young adults plan to ctb, it's our choice. No one has the right to judge what's best for us especially if they haven't been through what we have. I just wish each one of us can make the best out of our time, like traveling and consuming and creating and loving and whatever that is we wish to do and can afford to do it. And if all we can do is bedrot, me right now, then it's totally fine too. Older people may think I have potentials and a lot to live for, but I myself have exhausted all those options before opting out of this existence.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

someone 18 could be suffering extremely and wants a way out

anyone should have the right to move away from suffering or to do what they want with their body as they own it

Junko furuta was 16 when they kidnapped and tortured her for 44 days . they'll say she is a child and can't decide that is a reason to kill herself

they use this "we have to protect the children" as a gateway to steal all our rights including the most important the right to move away from excruciating intolerable pain or unbearable suffering

an example is their "youth poisoning act" in the US about to pass that bans sn over 10% . they banned for everyone if it was about youths then why not age restrict alone

AFSP Statement on Congressional Passage of the Youth Poisoning Protection Act

The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (AFSP) applauds Congress for passing the bipartisan Youth Poisoning Protection Act, marking a significant milestone in a years-long effort to prevent suicide by reducing access to a highly lethal means.

afsp.org

here a scientist shows proof they created adolescence and this "teenagers are children " out of thin air

The Invention of Adolescence

Discusses adolescence. How 13-year-olds in Shakespeare's time (the 16th century) were considered adults in the eyes of society; How puberty has inched back one year for every 25 years elapsed since the mid-1800s; Comments by Jeanne Brooks-Gunn, Ph.D. on what triggers puberty; New capacity for...

www.psychologytoday.com

and imo biology and evolution agree cause someone 13 can have children. but they say 13 is a child

now they r pushing this bs that below age 25 is a child. and people buy this lie even here when we seen other lies like that "everyone who wants suicide is irrational " : that's not real science but it's an evil lie

Suicide Prohibition: The Shame of Medicine

In Western thought, suicide has evolved from sin to sin…

www.goodreads.com

all 24 year olds are children : what a ridiculous lie

 

[h4ppyhypoxia]

Not sure I should go there. I will say your case is convincing. BUT, life can change SO MUCH in time, especially during the next few years. I would encourage that person who is even 99% sure they want to CTB to go with that 1% of doubt or hope or whatever it is and let at least the next few years play out.

this is why i think the decision to ctb should be based around "do i want the possibility of a future, even if it was good?" as much as it is about "is my suffering unbearable" because that is essentially the trade off, even for people in the most "hopeless" positions, life can still change in unexpected ways, even if they never have a "good" life, they could get one that is tolerable, and have something small that pushes them to carry on

 

[SoulWhisperer]

Truly a mysterious breed of people I say!

Jokes aside though, as a fellow "young folk" I understand the comments and average approaches/attitudes people have with me and people of my similar age. However most of the time it makes me feel worse because it seems like people dismiss me or ignore me. I know there's folks who've suffered since very young ages, people who went through much worse than me, but also better than me.

Besides saying the obvious "it's one person's own choice" I think I would appreciate more understanding. My peers and older people suffering is still suffering regardless to me. So I try to be understanding of any party without making any logic jumps or speedy conclusions. Everyone's life is different and so are their circumstances, I'm not saying everything is unfixable and everything is fixable; I'm simply saying that purely dismissing someone based on this is kind of not productive, along the lines of "it gets better" but with "because you're young/you have a lot ahead of you" at the end. It can undeniably get better, even for older folks, but no one is guaranteed ANY outcome.

I feel sorry for any suffering person here.

 

[ctb_warrior]

thank you so much, i really appreciate the advice (and dw about the autism i have it too), ive done well to maintain my weight for the past couple of months instead of losing more, im still trying new things out of hope things will improve, ive also got other mental health diagnoses on top of this and im trying new things to see if anything can spark passion in me, but unfortunately ive not come across anything yet, youre right about the point around physical health, im very lucky that my physical complications from anorexia are quite minimal so far, i have digestive issues which do suck bc that does cause me near constant discomfort but that is tolerable most of the time, and my heart rate is fast + blood pressure low, i consider myself quite "lucky" in this aspect bc i have friends who are a similar weight and things are much worse for them

its strange bc i have decided to ctb and i have got a time set for when im going to start giving up supplies, but im trying not to give up on life in the meantime, i am trying to do new things bc you never know how things may change

im sorry that things are so bad for you at the moment and the tinnitus sounds awful, if youve decided to ctb, i hope you can find some peace in your final days, if not, then i hope you can find peace with living

this is going to sound really silly because ive decided to ctb but id have what was considered as quite a traumatic childhood, ive had therapists be surprised ive made it to university, and even cry when i told them my story, i think it made me somewhat stronger, but also weaker in some aspects, and wow ive got the double whammy here with a depressed mum + addict father, i agree that mental pain can go away with training, but unfortunately ive not seen results despite 7 years of treatment, i have tried very hard because this is such a big deicison to make and i am terrified of something going wrong and leaving me disabled but ty for the insight

I appreciate what you've achieved even after having all the challenges in your life. You've gone through a lot and still managed to beat all odds. That certainly shows how talented and how strong you actually are. The situation you stated is tough to beat.
Problem with psychiatry is that there are not enough skilled psychiatrist. My family has seen many psychiatrists. Hardly one or two were effective. In my case alone, i have consulted 3-4 psychiatrist, one was 22 year experienced, another has his own mental hospital, third one was also renowned, finally we came across a junior psychiatrist but very sharp headed. She didn't load me with a lot of meds, just the ones that were needed. It took 1-2 months to work. But, it worked! My brother and mother have got cured, though they are still on a maintenance dose of abilify to ensure it doesn't gets reverted in any way.
Besides, the mental training needs to start as soon as the kid enters school. I also know that this will never happen. Because the system wants us to stay like slaves and work in those corporates and pay thousands of taxes and pay another thousands to doctors and hospitals and pharmacies. The education system is deliberately designed like that on purpose.

Not sure I should go there. I will say your case is convincing. BUT, life can change SO MUCH in time, especially during the next few years. I would encourage that person who is even 99% sure they want to CTB to go with that 1% of doubt or hope or whatever it is and let at least the next few years play out.

I think that's a really good point. And life can change for many. There are things like "Manifestation", NLP and hypnosis out there. I'll not say that things will change for all because some are not lucky enough as they suffer from chronic/terminal illness, pain, or really toxic family and friends.
However, yes, if life can change and get better, I think CTB can be avoided. Though this is in no way to undermine anyone's emotional pain or struggles.

 

[never mind me]

Imo the fact that someone is young or even underage doesn't mean they suffer less than older people. So if somebody is determined to ctb, I don't think it makes a difference what age they are. The only thing is that when you are still young you have a decent chance that physical illness doesn't stop you from enjoying life for some time to come, if you manage to fix your mental health issues and/or external circumstances. Whereas if you are old already it is more doubtful, if your life will be good, if you manage to fix your current troubles, because your health has a much bigger chance to decline a lot in the meantime.
That being said, I am probably an example for someone feeling really bad when I was young and improving enough to enjoy life for quite some time. I suffered from bulimia when I was 15/16, luckily managed to fully recover with the help of therapy and moving out from my parent's house, only to suffer from intense self hatred and some other issues during the next few years. During the course of a few years my mental health gradually improved, so that from my early 20s I mostly enjoyed life (although I still had a tendency to indulge in suicidal ideation whenever I felt bad even years later) and I only seriously considered ctb again this summer when physical health issues that stopped me from doing almost anything at all for 2 months and took some doctor hopping to get a correct diagnosis and treatment caused me to be extremely desperate for some time. As my health improved again (although I haven't fully healed yet, but at least I am able to participate in life again) and my life circumstances are more in order (i.e. I have health insurance again and an appartment of my own) I don't feel actively suicidal anymore. I'm in my late 30s now.

 

[jdogg60]

I generally don't like the idea of young people CTBing because my own life/mental health improved significantly in my mid 30s...And not even so much based on external circumstances.

I've had a pretty good life the past 8 or so years and it could've stayed that way if I didn't go through an unforeseeable trauma this past year.

I think a shitty early life can potentially alchemize into a pretty damn good one...and then the fact that it was shitty just makes the later good times all the more appreciated and worth it.

I also discovered completely new ideas and experiences in my mid 30s that were not even known to me beforehand. It was like starting out a new life entirely.

 

[tomame]

they're smart. my first attempt was 14 .. and i assure you, at twice the age of that— had i been successful .. i would have missed out on nothing, besides further life trauma