Venting US and NATO is cuck.

[DeutscheKartoffel]

Democracy either take a proactive stance against the spread of communism
or tyranny will be knocking on your doors next.

Extremely disappointing to see US and Nato abandon 44 millions democracy-loving Ukrainian people.

 

[Deleted member 8975]

Just like in WW2 it took Pearl Harbor to get them involved. But tbh, even if U.S. attacked.. I think current administration way too weak willed to involve themselves. Couldn't even defend Capitol building.

 

[WrongPlaceWrongTime]

Recent administrations have a habit of abandoning US allies.

 

[Chinaski]

Someone really needs to put a sticky up to remind users of this forum that the Cold War ended more than thirty fucking years ago

 

[Deleted member 8975]

Someone really needs to put a sticky up to remind users of this forum that the Cold War ended more than thirty fucking years ago

Not really.

In other words, you may wanna send that sticky to Putin. Might be more helpful.

 

[Chinaski]

Not really.

That's fair l guess, l should have been more aware of the fact that the people gullible enough to get totally catfished in the PM's might also still cherish their fear of imminent stalinist dystopia, as you were, enjoy the octopus-themed memeification of geopolitics

 

[DeutscheKartoffel]

Someone really needs to put a sticky up to remind users of this forum that the Cold War ended more than thirty fucking years ago

Anything worse than war is suffering under tyranny,
no freedom of speech, no freedom of press.

Countries like US and Germany has essentially abandoned Ukraine because of their own selfish interests.
Despicable.

 

[Depressed Cat]

Democracy either take a proactive stance against the spread of communism
or tyranny will be knocking on your doors next.

Extremely disappointing to see US and Nato abandon 44 millions democracy-loving Ukrainian people.

Yes, indeed, disappointing and disgusting! The people of the free world have been lulled into a false sense of security, been divided & fooled by evil rogue regimes' propaganda machines and by the infiltration of foreign agents into Western institutions.

This is the gravest threat to democracy and freedom enjoyed by the Western world since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

In Putin and Xi, the world faces two diabolical dictators-for-life who threaten international peace and are unleashing genocide upon peace-loving democratic nations and peoples.

The commie rogue Winnie the Pooh and his Chinese Commie Party thugs are watching with glee as the West and NATO do nothing to stop the genocide in Ukraine unleashed by the vile mafiocracy of Putin.

Cowardly Winnie the Pooh and his commie goons know that the West will similarly do nothing when he unleashes genocide on the peace-loving people of Taiwan.

When the so-called "leader of the free world" happens to be a senile old dementia sufferer and his predecessor was a good poodle of the Russian mafiocrat, this is what happens. A crying shame!

 

[Deleted member 8975]

@Chinaski I explained the reason a bit better. In Putin's own words he refuses to accept that the cold war ended, he believes Ukraine should "not exist," and believes the collapse of the U.S.S.R. was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century. Ya know, not half the other shit like two world wars, the collapse of the middle east and terrorism wars, the war on drugs, the cold war itself…ya know. No it was the fall of the U.S.S.R. So the cold war never really died for him and actually Chinaski, there are numerous books by academics and scholars that argue that the cold war did not end but evolved.

Hard to argue that Ukraine is part of a Cold War though when it is quite literally a "hot" war at this point.

btw @chinaski…wtf are you talking about being catfished in pms lol, what's going on??

 

[diyCTB]

Democracy either take a proactive stance against the spread of communism
or tyranny will be knocking on your doors next.

Extremely disappointing to see US and Nato abandon 44 millions democracy-loving Ukrainian people.

Why you paint Russia like Nazi Germany with that image?
Communism ended after USSR collapsed in 1992. There's no communism in Russia now.
What year do you live in?

 

[DeutscheKartoffel]

it's okay if some people wants communism/tyranny,
but majority of the global population can speak for themselves and prefer self-determination.

Communism in essence is making everyone suffer like them and they don't let you leave.

Why you paint Russia like Nazi Germany with that image?
Communism ended after USSR collapsed in 1992. There's no communism in Russia now.
What year do you live in?

Russia is tyranny.
Russian citizens participating in anti-war protest are being detained by police immediately.

There's no freedom of speech in Russia.

 

[Chinaski]

@Chinaski I explained the reason a bit better. In Putin's own words he refuses to accept that the cold war ended, he believes Ukraine should "not exist," and believes the collapse of the U.S.S.R. was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century. Ya know, not half the other shit like two world wars, the collapse of the middle east and terrorism wars, the war on drugs, the cold war itself…ya know. No it was the fall of the U.S.S.R. So the cold war never really died for him and actually Chinaski, there are numerous books by academics and scholars that argue that the cold war did not end but evolved.

Hard to argue that Ukraine is part of a Cold War though when it is quite literally a "hot" war at this point.

btw @chinaski…wtf are you talking about being catfished in pms lol, what's going on??

I think arguing that Putin is a communist hoping to re-establish a union of socialist republics is an absurd one and it's an absolute fool's game to equate his regime with that of Stalin, given the vocal opposition to his activity from the actual *left*, who have been consistent in their criticism of Putin's regime even when this was a marginalised position - take Chechnya for example, overlooked and tolerated by the western liberal democracies of the time as they welcomed Putin's new Russia and its embrace of western, pro-capitalist values and governing parties accepted hefty donations from the oligarchy, it was the left, the villainous reds under your bed, who have been and remained consistently critical of Putin's regime even at times when it was inconvenient for the liberal democracies to express this dissent.

You don't have to be a "putin apologist", or condone his current actions, to recognise that the applied lazy reflex to applying basic cold war red scare analysis here is incorrect.

 

[kohaku]

Ah, yes, communism, the cause of everything bad and evil, a plague, a blight on this Earth.

Present day Russia is not communist in the slightest. Stop falling for Western propaganda.

Still, I'll admit I dislike authoritarian communism, I'm an anarcho-communist myself.

But yes, I agree that it's incredibly saddening to see NATO and the EU not do a single fucking thing to help Ukraine military-wise. But then, they are not obligated to seeing as how Ukraine is neither in NATO or EU, and I think doing so might create a bigger conflict than it was initially... Did you hear Hungary refused to sanction Russia?

 

[DeutscheKartoffel]

I think arguing that Putin is a communist hoping to re-establish a union of socialist republics is an absurd one and it's an absolute fool's game to equate his regime with that of Stalin, given the vocal opposition to his activity from the actual *left*, who have been consistent in their criticism of Putin's regime even when this was a marginalised position - take Chechnya for example, overlooked and tolerated by the western liberal democracies of the time as they welcomed Putin's new Russia and its embrace of western, pro-capitalist values and governing parties accepted hefty donations from the oligarchy, it was the left, the villainous reds under your bed, who have been and remained consistently critical of Putin's regime even at times when it was inconvenient for the liberal democracies to express this dissent.

You don't have to be a "putin apologist", or condone his current actions, to recognise that the applied lazy reflex to applying basic cold war red scare analysis here is incorrect.

You are not wrong.
I could have rephrased it a little better and pinpoint it to authoritarian communism.

The point is that citizens in Russia/communist authoritarian regime have far less liberty privileges compared to western counterparts. I don't suppose anyone want to end up under their control.

 

[diyCTB]

Russia is tyranny.
Russian citizens participating in anti-war protest are being detained by police immediately.

There's no freedom of speech in Russia.

My country demonstrated the same tyranny when shit hit the fan.
And US? Would US not be tyranny if same thing happened to them?
If government perceives something a threat they will silence its people to prevent internal conflict from ensuing
and making country's condition worse.

 

[Deleted member 8975]

I think arguing that Putin is a communist hoping to re-establish a union of socialist republics is an absurd one and it's an absolute fool's game to equate his regime with that of Stalin, given the vocal opposition to his activity from the actual *left*, who have been consistent in their criticism of Putin's regime even when this was a marginalised position - take Chechnya for example, overlooked and tolerated by the western liberal democracies of the time as they welcomed Putin's new Russia and its embrace of western, pro-capitalist values and governing parties accepted hefty donations from the oligarchy, it was the left, the villainous reds under your bed, who have been and remained consistently critical of Putin's regime even at times when it was inconvenient for the liberal democracies to express this dissent.

You don't have to be a "putin apologist", or condone his current actions, to recognise that the applied lazy reflex to applying basic cold war red scare analysis here is incorrect.

It's not a comparison to Stalinism. It's evolution. Same with Putin's game. The Russian Federation has faced condemnation as long as I can remember…since the early 2000s in my own memory. I wouldn't call that welcomed. And they never embraced pro-capitalism. Their economic system collapsed and over the years embraced aristocracy and oligarchy which seems to have kept it afloat, similar to the Arab gulf nations.

I don't see any red scare. It's a Putin scare. It's not even a Russian scare. I think any logical person will believe Putin's actions are truly illogical and only egotistical. Legacy. A chapter in the history books of how Putin the Great reclaimed Ukraine which "should never have existed." Revenge for the fall of an Empire he loved and served.

Ah, yes, communism, the cause of everything bad and evil, a plague, a blight on this Earth.

Present day Russia is not communist in the slightest. Stop falling for Western propaganda.

Still, I'll admit I dislike authoritarian communism, I'm an anarcho-communist myself.

But yes, I agree that it's incredibly saddening to see NATO and the EU not do a single fucking thing to help Ukraine military-wise. But then, they are not obligated to seeing as how Ukraine is neither in NATO or EU, and I think doing so might create a bigger conflict than it was initially... Did you hear Hungary refused to sanction Russia?

If you are on a side you are propagating propaganda yourself. So I don't really see the trope "falling" for propaganda to be legitimate words of persuasion.

 

[Chinaski]

It's not a comparison to Stalinism. It's evolution. Same with Putin's game. The Russian Federation has faced condemnation as long as I can remember…since the early 2000s in my own memory. I wouldn't call that welcomed. And they never embraced pro-capitalism. Their economic system collapsed and over the years embraced aristocracy and oligarchy which seems to have kept it afloat, similar to the Arab gulf nations.

I don't see any red scare. It's a Putin scare. It's not even a Russian scare. I think any logical person will believe Putin's actions are truly illogical and only egotistical. Legacy. A chapter in the history books of how Putin the Great reclaimed Ukraine which "should never have existed." Revenge for the fall of an Empire he loved and served.

If you are on a side you are propagating propaganda yourself. So I don't really see the trope "falling" for propaganda to be legitimate words of persuasion.

It was welcomed, frankly - l cba digging out the numerous links to various comments, quotes, frothy news pieces welcoming diplomatic relations with "new" Russia when it was convenient to do so. Again, consider the mainstream reaction to Chechnya and you'll see clearly that the dissenting voices were those who consistently stand against imperialism, tyranny and oppression and not those who can tolerate it when it's in their economic interests. You'll find this is an everlasting theme amongst the liberal capitalist class - whoever the megalomaniac bond villain of the day is, you'll find a clear financial pipeline between them and the western democracies folk call upon to police the world with military might when they step too far out of line.

As for "red scare", we're literally in a thread with the OP using an anti-stalin meme. Really not sure how this works tbh but pretty much every reaction on this forum has been laced with weird and irrelevant cold war flexing, it's not at all appropriate in this instance.

 

[Depressed Cat]

Putin apologists who believe the propaganda spewed out by the likes of RT are worse than commie apologists.

Putin is a coldblooded mafiocrat. He is a KGB thug and himself claimed that there is no such thing as a former KGB agent. He has made no secret of the fact that he wants to create a larger mafiocracy called USSR 2.0 by force and bloodshed. His denial of the sovereignty of Ukraine and the right of Ukrainians to exist as a nation and people is clear indication of that.

Putin is Stalin 2.0 who wants to create a USSR 2.0 by diabolical force and genocide.

May the bloodthirsty botox-bloated blaggard end up with a bullet in his head soon.

 

[Deleted member 8975]

It was welcomed, frankly - l cba digging out the numerous links to various comments, quotes, frothy news pieces welcoming diplomatic relations with "new" Russia when it was convenient to do so. Again, consider the mainstream reaction to Chechnya and you'll see clearly that the dissenting voices were those who consistently stand against imperialism, tyranny and oppression and not those who can tolerate it when it's in their economic interests. You'll find this is an everlasting theme amongst the liberal capitalist class - whoever the megalomaniac bond villain of the day is, you'll find a clear financial pipeline between them and the western democracies folk call upon to police the world with military might when they step too far out of line.

As for "red scare", we're literally in a thread with the OP using an anti-stalin meme. Really not sure how this works tbh but pretty much every reaction on this forum has been laced with weird and irrelevant cold war flexing, it's not at all appropriate in this instance.

We we're talking about Chechnya in chat earlier and it's confusing because here's the thing, I grew up in an Islamic upbringing. We had a very DIFFERENT understanding of how that war unfolded.

So I think a lot of us in this thread have very different understandings of geopolitics, convictions, and motivations. Almost how war breaks out, isn't it?

 

[DeutscheKartoffel]

My country demonstrated the same tyranny when shit hit the fan.
And US? Would US not be tyranny if same thing happened to them?
If government perceives something a threat they will silence its people to prevent internal conflict from ensuing
and making country's condition worse.

In most authoritarian communist states, the government are not elected by the people.
The people have no say and no influence over their government.
They are essentially slaves without self-determination.

That's the problem with these authoritarian states, because the regime does what they want.
The people can't stop them, foreign governments do nothing, guess what, free range global tyranny in the making.

 

[Chinaski]

So I think a lot of us in this thread have very different understandings of geopolitics, convictions, and motivations. Almost how war breaks out, isn't it?

I think everybody in this thread is in unequivocal condemnation of Russia's current actions on the world stage tbh and while this conclusion is obviously a correct one, my observation is that some people are taking a very peculiar and fundamentally incorrect journey to arrive at that conclusion.

 

[diyCTB]

Other countries are like pro-lifers. Show up when negativity finds way to their doors and makes them feel bad so they show concern by judging and condemning actions of others from the comfort of their TV couch when they have no idea of what it is like to be in shoes of countries in distress. When everything is over they forget about them and return to their "happy" bubbles.

In most authoritarian communist states, the government are not elected by the people.
The people have no say and no influence over their government.
They are essentially slaves without self-determination.

I thought this is also the case in US. I will be VERY surprised if it is not.

Meanwhile @DeutscheKartoffel who created this thread:

 

[Sherri]

Recent administrations have a habit of abandoning US allies.

That was with Trump, let's see what happens now, they needed the rest of us when they went on their wars.

Putin apologists who believe the propaganda spewed out by the likes of RT are worse than commie apologists.

Putin is a coldblooded mafiocrat. He is a KGB thug and himself claimed that there is no such thing as a former KGB agent. He has made no secret of the fact that he wants to create a larger mafiocracy called USSR 2.0 by force and bloodshed. His denial of the sovereignty of Ukraine and the right of Ukrainians to exist as a nation and people is clear indication of that.

Putin is Stalin 2.0 who wants to create a USSR 2.0 by diabolical force and genocide.

May the bloodthirsty bald botox-bloated blaggard end up with a bullet in his head soon.

Love your flag! Love your country be proud of it!

 

[Depressed Cat]

Love your flag! Love your country be proud of it!

I'm not Ukrainian.

I'm flying their flag as a sign of solidarity with, and support for my Ukrainian brothers and sisters.

I too love the blue and gold Ukrainian flag. May it fly forever high, proud and free in every corner of the sovereign democratic nation of Ukraine and in the hearts of the courageous and proudly free Ukrainian people!

 

[Sherri]

I'm not Ukrainian.

I'm just flying their flag as a sign of solidarity with, and support for my Ukrainian brothers and sisters.

I too love the blue and gold Ukrainian flag.

Ukrainians are strong people, who have been facing Russia for years and years , brave people. They surely deserve to be left alone, they fought bravely for their independence.

 

[Chinaski]

I'm flying their flag as a sign of solidarity with, and support for my Ukrainian brothers and sisters.

I hope they log on to "sanctioned suicide dot org" and see it, I'm sure they will appreciate the gesture.

 

[Depressed Cat]

I hope they log on to "sanctioned suicide dot org" and see it, I'm sure they will appreciate the gesture.

That's immaterial, although we do have a few Ukrainians here. In any case, I'm flying their flag in other places as well and will continue to do so.

Glory to Ukraine! Слава Україні! Героям слава!

 

[Ada]

As I am about to kill myself anyway, I am thinking about traveling down to Kyiv to fight. I don't have any military experience, but my life is worth at least one russian bullet.

 

[Sister of the Moon]

'Everything I don't like is communism'

Utterly ridiculous. I'm sick of communism, socialism and Marxism being bandied around as scary words by people who have no idea what any of them means.

 

[DeutscheKartoffel]

'Everything I don't like is communism'

Utterly ridiculous. I'm sick of communism, socialism and Marxism being bandied around as scary words by people who have no idea what any of them means.

My apologies for not being specific enough with my earlier post.
By communism, I am really referring to authoritarian communism.

Me as a Chinese citizen having lived under communist tyranny for decades, involuntarily.
My heart reaches out to Ukrainian people who are fighting for their liberty.