Thoughts on reincarnation/rebirth?

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I believe in evolution and that the body is pretty much just a machine. However, it seems that there is some kind of cycle to everything. Like: be born, grow up, grow old, die - reborn?

There's not even one piece of evidence for any afterlife , reincarnation nothing just humans / primates saying things they think or that they say they experienced no evidence nor reproducible experimental evidence at all even though they've tried for hundreds of years to find evidence of any afterlife reincarnation

 

[DreamEnd]

There's not even one piece of evidence for any afterlife , reincarnation nothing just humans / primates saying things they think or that they say they experienced no evidence nor reproducible experimental evidence at all even though they've tried for hundreds of years to find some

There's huge amounts of evidence for an afterlife unless you are looking specifically through a western scientific paradigm. Then there would be no evidence for you can't actually test anecdotal evidence or the multitude of experiences of people in deep meditation, clinical death and or psychedelic experiences. Not even mentioning eastern spirituality and it's broad and deep history

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

There's huge amounts of evidence for an afterlife unless you are looking specifically through a western scientific paradigm. Then there would be no evidence for you can't actually test anecdotal evidence or the multitude of experiences of people in deep meditation, clinical death and or psychedelic experiences. Not even mentioning eastern spirituality and it's broad and deep history

There is no scientific evidence for any afterlife or reincarnation. what is the power source for a soul? what is a souL. no details so no evidence.

what is the purpose to create something a soul that will last a trillion to the quadrillion power years ? who would create this how and for what purpose to create something that will suffer boredom and bad memories for a trillion to the quadrillion to the quintilionth power years?. This violates all laws of physics , biology chemistry and the Law of entropy the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

humans can make up countless fictional tales . there are a million novels with worlds with actual details like star wars, lord of the rings .the only difference is these authors admited they were fiction and actually gave thousands of details to their fiction unlike the afterlife fiction where there are no details of how the soul functions where are they , why etc.

 

[DreamEnd]

there is no evidence. what is the power source for a soul? what is a souL. no details so no evidence.

Plenty of details in different books surrounding the topic of death and where consciousness comes from. Scientists cannot to this day prove consciousness comes from the brain only. So there is a source for it. We know from experiences I mentioned before that different states of mind create a different experience of consciousness

what is the purpose to create something a soul that will last a trillion to the quadrillion power years ?

Again, there are different beliefs on what a soul is, we know that all is energy, even einstein said that, as for why it is created and what for people tend to have a variety of beliefs on that topic, from tibetians to indigenous populations

who would create this how and for what purpose to create something that will suffer boredum and bad memories for a trilltion to the quadrillion to the quintiltionth power.

What? Do you think that the default state of the soul is to suffer boredom and bad memories, for millions of years? this is no true at all.

violates all laws of physics , biology chemistry and the Law of entropy the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Our soul is a form of energy. It can be neither created nor destroyed. It is eternal. Now, just because you are bored with your existence now doesnt mean that you will after you die and in the period before you are reborn again if thats the case. Your feelings now are not reflected in whats going to happen to you after you die, at least from what I read so far. When you are freed from your body you are also freed from everything that causes you pain both physical and emotional

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

No a human has to eat 3 times a day to power the weak concsciousness and the primate ape brain.

It's unfathomably ridiculous to say that there is some power source that powers dumb primate thinking for a trillion to the quadrillion power years and more .

Where is the power source to the soul to power for quadrillion of years ? where is the power source ?

There is no constant self . the dumb human brain changes every day . what i was at 1 year old 5 , 10 years old is something different than what i am now different thinking , beliefs , etc. what i was at 5 no longer exists. there is no soul

What is a soul supposed to do for a quintillion to the septilion years be bored , suffer, bad memories ? evolution makes sense an eternal soul doesn't . To me the only thing good is that consciousness / life / existence ends forever I just want to skip any unbearable pain while i'm still alive and able to suffer to reach non-existence.

 

[Oliver]

There is no scientific evidence for any afterlife or reincarnation. what is the power source for a soul? what is a souL. no details so no evidence.

what is the purpose to create something a soul that will last a trillion to the quadrillion power years ? who would create this how and for what purpose to create something that will suffer boredom and bad memories for a trillion to the quadrillion to the quintilionth power years?. This violates all laws of physics , biology chemistry and the Law of entropy the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

humans can make up countless fictional tales . there are a million novels with worlds with actual details like star wars, lord of the rings .the only difference is these authors admited they were fiction and actually gave thousands of details to their fiction unlike the afterlife fiction where there are no details of how the soul functions where are they , why etc.

I hear what you're saying, but.. They are just some things that science can not (yet) explain. First of all there are all of these very detailed explanations from children who remembers their former lives. Now I haven't "researched" this myself a lot but apparently they seem to remember their former names and how they died etc. And when people have dug down a little deeper, they have found out that there were in fact a person named this and that and who died in the exact same way as the child had told them.

Furthermore, we have a ton of NDE's. People who experienced NDE's in the hospital for example has been able to see what happened in the room next to them and they could describe it in detail. This is also (as of now) impossible for science to explain.

 

[DreamEnd]

I hear what you're saying, but.. They are just some things that science can not (yet) explain. First of all there are all of these very detailed explanations from children who remembers their former lives. Now I haven't "researched" this myself a lot but apparently they seem to remember their former names and how they died etc. And when people have dug down a little deeper, they have found that there were in fact a person named this and that and who died in the exact same way as the child had told them.

Furthermore, we have a ton of NDE's. People who experienced NDE's in the hospital for example has been able to see what happened in the room next to them and they could describe it in detail. This is also (as of now) impossible for science to explain.

Yes oh and what stanislav grof found out with thousands of lsd studies is that some of them mirror exactly the nde experiences some report

 

[Oliver]

Yes oh and what stanislav grof found out with thousands of lsd studies is that some of them mirror exactly the nde experiences some report

But doesn't that (sadly) just prove that people get very high during an NDE?

What fascinated me the most were the people who apparently saw what was going on in the room next to them.

 

[DreamEnd]

But doesn't that (sadly) just prove that people get very high during an NDE?

What fascinated me the most were the people who apparently saw what was going on in the room next to them.

Well getting high is a part of it. But visions, sounds, feelings is supposedly a different experience but in some cases it isn't which is a mystery since of course, ndes and lsd effects on the brain are different. Also getting high can sometimes mean letting consciousness flow more openly, giving you this experience. So whether that's meditation, lsd or nde, the experience of consciousness's boundaries can be the same for some

 

[Oliver]

No a human has to eat 3 times a day to power the weak concsciousness and the primate ape brain.

It's unfathomably ridiculous to say that there is some power source that powers dumb primate thinking for a trillion to the quadrillion power years and more .

Where is the power source to the soul to power for quadrillion of years ? where is the power source ?

There is no constant self . the dumb human brain changes every day . what i was at 1 year old 5 , 10 years old is something different than what i am now different thinking , beliefs , etc. what i was at 5 no longer exists. there is no soul

What is a soul supposed to do for a quintillion to the septilion years be bored , suffer, bad memories ? evolution makes sense an eternal soul doesn't

Yeah children are pretty dumb, but then again they say crazy shit like: "my name was Maddie Green and I drowned in Michigan lake in the middle of the night" - and then people find out, that the exact thing actually did happen to a woman named Maddie Green. This was just a made up example but similar instances have happened.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I hear what you're saying, but.. They are just some things that science can not (yet) explain. First of all there are all of these very detailed explanations from children who remembers their former lives. Now I haven't "researched" this myself a lot but apparently they seem to remember their former names and how they died etc. And when people have dug down a little deeper, they have found out that there were in fact a person named this and that and who died in the exact same way as the child had told them.

Furthermore, we have a ton of NDE's. People who experienced NDE's in the hospital for example has been able to see what happened in the room next to them and they could describe it in detail. This is also (as of now) impossible for science to explain.

i'll never believe any of that

There is no constant self . the dumb human brain changes every day . what i was at 1 year old 5 , 10 years old is something different than what i am now different thinking , beliefs , etc. what i was at 5 no longer exists. there is no soul

What is a soul supposed to do for a quintillion to the septilion years be bored , suffer, bad memories ? evolution makes sense an eternal soul doesn't . To me the only thing good is that consciousness / life / existence ends forever I just want to skip any unbearable pain while i'm still alive and able to suffer to reach non-existence.

.you can believe that if you want to . nothing matters to me except my exiting this hell anyway. and i'm sure it's non-existence after death forever non-existence . i've done a lot of reading and thinking about it and there are lot of things you can test with microscopes just seeing how everything for example in molecular cell biology , evolution , neuroscience ties in together : you can take a detail and connect it with another on 5 levels up of complexity and you see how it works sort of like a mechanical engine all the parts work together and fit together make sense. it's true the cell is a machine . the brain is a machine. you can test a lot of things in neuroscience how the brain works neuroplasticity etc.

 

[throneofdispair03]

I don't believe in reincarnation, but I'll shoot myself twice if I have to.

 

[Oliver]

I don't believe in reincarnation, but I'll shoot myself twice if I have to.

Actually laughed out loud but I probably shouldn't have...

 

[hana0]

You are not afraid of hell? Since suicide is seen as a grave sin.

To be honest, I don't know. I used to be afraid of hell when I was younger, but as I grew up and my depression got worse, my perspective on things changed. I wouldn't necessarily call myself Catholic, I don't even know if I have 'faith', it's more like a 'hope' that there is God. And I'd hope God would forgive me and understand why I did it. But I guess I'm still kind of scared of what would happen after death and that's why I'm still here. Idk if that makes sense.

 

[strangelife]

I don't believe in reincarnation, but if it would be possible I would like to be born in a new healthy body.

 

[FuneralCry]

No, I just believe that once we die we simply cease existing and that is it for us, we are gone, death is simply the absence of everything, it's nothing more than an dreamless, eternal sleep where all is finally forgotten about. I don't believe there to be any deeper purpose or meaning behind existence, existing beings are just slowly dying destined to disappear into nothingness.

Existing is just a meaningless process of waiting around to die and I believe humans invented theories like reincarnation as they have the ability to be conscious and aware unlike animals and they found it difficult to accept that they are destined for nothing and nowhere.

The thought of reincarnation is something so evil and beyond hellish but I could never believe in such a thing which is why I find so much comfort in the thought of ceasing to exist, I believe consciousness to be stored in the brain and once we die we simply lose it, we are gone for all eternity.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

chatgpt is smarter than most humans in many ways already . ai will surpass the dumb human primate brain very soon

ChatGPT and AI are programmed by humans and can only be as smart as the humans programming it. Further, AI is not going to advance as people believe because all it does is plagiarize and steal creators' copyrighted work.

The New York Times is suing ChatGPT and Microsoft right now because of copyright infringement. People were asking ChatGPT to write various stories; and it just spits out verbatim copyrighted material by the New York Times (just like you asked it about human consciousness, and it gave you subjective sources already written by scientists and journalists. It did not provide anything "intelligent").

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/business/media/new-york-times-open-ai-microsoft-lawsuit.html

Books authors are suing ChatGPT and Microsoft for using their copyrighted books to train their AI without permission or compensation.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/openai-facing-another-copyright-suit-over-ai-training-on-novels

There's another class action lawsuit against ChatGPT for stealing regular, everyday people's personal information from various sources to train their AI.

https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rIZH4FXwShJE/v0

Getty Images is suing Stability AI in the U.K. for using their copyrighted photos to train its AI.

https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/getty-images-v-stability-ai

The E.U. passed regulations, forcing all AI companies to disclose their sources. That means more lawsuits since AI cannot function without stealing other people's copyrighted work.

https://fortune.com/2023/12/09/eu-tech-regulations-ai-openai-chatgpt-gpt-4/

OpenAI is ceasing operations in the E.U. due to these regulations and the threat of thousands of lawsuits.

https://time.com/6282325/sam-altman-openai-eu/

So no, AI is not smarter than humans, particularly human courts and lawyers, and passionate creators, writers, photographers, graphic designers, etc. who are well on the way to shutting down AI completely through the Courts and government. All AI is, is unauthorized, illegal reproduction of human creativity.

This message is brought to you by me, a human and old fashioned teacher who wants young people to develop their communication skills, critical thinking and cognitive abilities. This is not brought to you by AI.

 

[SVEN]

I guess, theoretically, anything is possible. However, going by the way the world's population is increasing exponentially, someone, somewhere sure is churning out all those new souls.

 

[DreamEnd]

i'll never believe any of that

You don't have to but the evidence is there right in front of you. Plenty of stories of children remembering who they were or how they died with verified people who died exactly how they stated

There is no constant self . the dumb human brain changes every day . what i was at 1 year old 5 , 10 years old is something different than what i am now different thinking , beliefs , etc. what i was at 5 no longer exists. there is no soul

What is a soul supposed to do for a quintillion to the septilion years be bored , suffer, bad memories ? evolution makes sense an eternal soul doesn't . To me the only thing good is that consciousness / life / existence ends forever I just want to skip any unbearable pain while i'm still alive and able to suffer to reach non-existence.

.you can believe that if you want to . nothing matters to me except my exiting this hell anyway. and i'm sure it's non-existence after death forever non-existence . i've done a lot of reading and thinking about it and there are lot of things you can test with microscopes just seeing how everything for example in molecular cell biology , evolution , neuroscience ties in together : you can take a detail and connect it with another on 5 levels up of complexity and you see how it works sort of like a mechanical engine all the parts work together and fit together make sense. it's true the cell is a machine . the brain is a machine. you can test a lot of things in neuroscience how the brain works neuroplasticity etc.

I answered this before