fillthevoid

fillthevoid

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Nov 15, 2021
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Thank you for sharing your experience! It is nice to read from the perspective from someone who went through love but ultimately landed in the same sort of place I am now. Makes me feel like even though I didn't try it that doesn't mean I messed up or that I took the wrong path here, maybe it is fine I didn't go that way first.
I hope your life from here on out gets the peaceful end you are looking for.
You're very welcome. You definitely didn't mess up.. you can't decide how your life goes... I'm sure if you could have experienced this too, in the right circumstances perhaps you would have chosen to... It's through no fault of your own, and it's not good nor bad, it just.. is what it is. Some people even prefer being alone. And maybe there is a still a chance you can experience love, if you wanted, it's never too late to try again. But you certainly shouldn't enter into a new relationship if you know you want to CBT. It is unfair on your partner for you to knowingly land that on them. The best most fulfilling relationships I believe are those where each party is content within themselves already, without solely relying on the other for their happiness. This is where I fucked up in my relationship and it hit hard when I had to come to terms with this. :(

Good luck to you and I hope you can find some peace too. x
 
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FogFilledLife

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Jan 6, 2022
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I fucked up the only romantic relationship I had by having rapidly changing emotional states. I'd lash out and manipulate and do things I know now were horrible. In a weird way it made me a better person, I know if it wasn't for that I'd have been a much worse person. Now I'm only really harmful to myself. For now anyways. I feel on the verge of snapping.
I feel like there is no black and white answer to this because love is a feeling that is experienced, and each persons experience will be different. For me, there is nothing like it. It is the best feeling in the world. But you must understand that to feel this way and experience that fully means opening yourself to be entirely vulnerable and being open.. and this can lead to very very intense pain if things do not work out, if they hurt you or get hurt. It is definitely one of the greater pleasures that life has to offer, in my experience. But I found that there is no great mystery... I remember falling falling in love for the first time feeling exactly as I expected it to. It is amazing, starting with a wild, fun, exciting period of life for the first several months, followed by stability and safety as the relationship advances. And I'm sure it continues to develop and change as you either grow with your partner, or you will go your seperate ways. For me, unfortunately it never got that far as mental illness along with other factors heightening the situation prevented a stable relationship from being possible for any length of time. But the feelings were very real and it was a very fulfilling and 'right' feeling. I wouldn't be very interested in sex with somebody I didn't care about. But with someone you love and trust fully it can be an incredible feeling, not just physically but emotionally.. Just very freeing at times, and at times very soothing. Like the the best cuddle.

I'm glad I got to experience it. But at the same time, I also still wish I had CBT-ed years ago before then, because the pain experienced during this time still wasn't worth it ultimately, no matter how amazing it it may feel when in the thick of love. I would trade it all to take back the pain and have CBT-ed when I had the chance.
 
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GongLiFang

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Aug 11, 2021
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I fucked up the only romantic relationship I had by having rapidly changing emotional states. I'd lash out and manipulate and do things I know now were horrible. In a weird way it made me a better person, I know if it wasn't for that I'd have been a much worse person. Now I'm only really harmful to myself. For now anyways. I feel on the verge of snapping.
I don't even know what to say, that sounds awful and I hope that you can find peace, either that be life or death so you can stop hurting too.
 
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Hell-On-Earth

Born to suffer
Apr 22, 2022
75
I'm in a similar boat and I've struggled with coping every single day. Dateless, kissless virgin at 28 years old. What a joke I am! I've been told before that this status alone is a literal red flag which I agree with and it means no sane person should ever want to be with me and I have yet to be able to counter that point.

It's gotten so bad that I'm aware that my lack of experience is only digging me deeper and that even if someone was willing to give me a chance, to indulge in this thing that my stupid human biology was wired to crave would be cruel on my part because I'd be guaranteed to hurt them in some way. I don't know about you, but as much as I whine and moan about being perpetually lonely, I realize that this is the only way to prevent myself from subjecting some poor woman to the cruel fate of ever being with someone as deplorable as me.
I'm in a similar situation at 25. Never been on a date, never even kissed a girl. I don't see anyway out of this situation. My mental health problems, my social phobia and social ineptitude will make it impossible for me to ever be in a relationship. It's such a horrible feeling and is likely to be one of my CTB triggers. Even if I somehow ended up in a relationship I know for a fact that someone like me would just be emotionally destructive to my partner. I don't know how to describe it but I just feel like I wasn't made for this world.
 
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Shu

As above, So Below.
Jan 21, 2022
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Lol how is it black pilled? It has nothing to do with gender at all. People are selfish creatures by nature. Do you deny this? That's why like 70% of marriages don't last. People are always ready to drop a person for the next best thing when they no longer meet their needs.
You are what you see in the world. It is you who is the selfish creature. Stop generalizing and trying to speak for the masses. Everyone is not selfish. I knoe many of people who are selfless.
 
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Ashu

Ashu

novelist, sanskritist, Canadian living in India
Nov 13, 2021
703
I hate to break it to you, but what people call love is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed.
For that matter, all of human experience is just brain chemistry. So what, Socrates? We're human, that's the way it works around here.
Bingo

And for the sexually active it fades very quickly

It's a nice feeling but it doesn't last
So? Neither does a good meal. Welcome to human existence. Nothing lasts, including us.
 
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Hurt

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Nov 13, 2020
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I can't love anyone if I don't even love myself.
 
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locked*n*loaded

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Apr 15, 2022
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Bingo

And for the sexually active it fades very quickly

It's a nice feeling but it doesn't last
Really? Then how do you explain 75 year marriages then?
Well imo marriage is overrated anyways. You shouldn't need a paper or a label for love. And yeah, everyone is selfish, the only variable being to what extent. However, idk if i would go THAT far.
You know the "paper" to which you refer is only for "law" purposes, to protect each of you should the marriage not work out. It isn't about "proving" love or putting a "label" on love. In a society of laws it is necessary. Just the way it is.


I've had plenty of fair chances in relationships. None lasted. When you don't have your own shit straight in your head, when you're self-loathing, when you're unable to understand how anyone would want to be with you, when you got all this other "baggage" whirling through your mind on a continual basis, your ability to put yourself "out there" to the other person, be vulnerable, an open book, is virtually impossible and dooms any meaningful relationship from the start. To be fair, I've broken up with girls because I didn't "feel" that something was there. And I've been broken up with, too, plenty. I was never able to make that special connection with anyone. I'm sure all of it was my fault, knowing what I know about myself now. And where I am now, it was all probably for the best, too. For them and me. Looking back, I'm not even sure I ever truly loved anyone. It may have seemed like it at the time, but not so sure now. Not in the way that "normies" are able to do. I understand now that I have always had a wall erected around me that I put in place. I never wanted to let anyone in. I still don't really. I don't think I'm even capable of it. For the OP, I would venture to say that if it is with the right person, where there's a real connection, then a relationship can be good, and nurturing, and fulfilling. That would be something to be missed by anyone who hasn't experienced it. It is by me. They just don't happen for everybody. When the relationship is bad, though, it just sucks the life out of both.
 
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SuicidallyCurious

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Really? Then how do you explain 75 year marriages then?

You know the "paper" to which you refer is only for "law" purposes, to protect each of you should the marriage not work out. It isn't about "proving" love or putting a "label" on love. In a society of laws it is necessary. Just the way it is.


I've had plenty of fair chances in relationships. None lasted. When you don't have your own shit straight in your head, when you're self-loathing, when you're unable to understand how anyone would want to be with you, when you got all this other "baggage" whirling through your mind on a continual basis, your ability to put yourself "out there" to the other person, be vulnerable, an open book, is virtually impossible and dooms any meaningful relationship from the start. To be fair, I've broken up with girls because I didn't "feel" that something was there. And I've been broken up with, too, plenty. I was never able to make that special connection with anyone. I'm sure all of it was my fault, knowing what I know about myself now. And where I am now, it was all probably for the best, too. For them and me. Looking back, I'm not even sure I ever truly loved anyone. It may have seemed like it at the time, but not so sure now. Not in the way that "normies" are able to do. I understand now that I have always had a wall erected around me that I put in place. I never wanted to let anyone in. I still don't really. I don't think I'm even capable of it. For the OP, I would venture to say that if it is with the right person, where there's a real connection, then a relationship can be good, and nurturing, and fulfilling. That would be something to be missed by anyone who hasn't experienced it. It is by me. They just don't happen for everybody. When the relationship is bad, though, it just sucks the life out of both.

75 marriages are insanely rare. They're From a time with much different social and economic arrangements and a much different degree of sexual freedom.

I'll give you a personal story about one marriage I knew like this, I don't think it was 75 years but it was very long. When they were old the wife was telling the husband she wanted to beat the husband over the head with a frying pan and advising her granddaughters to make sure they marry for money and not love like she did.

I think what happened with the old style long lived marriages is basically neither party had anything to gain by aborting the marriage so they kind of just toughed it out until they croaked
 
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Cathy Ames

Cautionary Tale
Mar 11, 2022
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I think what happened with the old style long lived marriages is basically neither party had anything to gain by aborting the marriage so they kind of just toughed it out until they croaked
Nah. My grandfather doted on my grandmother right up until the day she died. As far as he was concerned, she hung the moon. He would do anything for her.
 
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SuicidallyCurious

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Dec 20, 2020
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Nah. My grandfather doted on my grandmother right up until the day she died. As far as he was concerned, she hung the moon. He would do anything for her.

Im familiar with that experience too but this is very, very unlikely to happen today .

Pretty much everyone I know who was born boomer and after has been a total disaster in this domain.

Today it is mostly sleeping around and money grubbers in many countries . The rate of family formation is collapsing relentlessly and divorce rates are elevated
 
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MatthewV3

MatthewV3

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Dec 15, 2021
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I'm 22 and I also have never had any romantic or sexual experiences in my life. I never loved any one or felt loved by someone.
 
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fillthevoid

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It literally does not matter if you believe love is real or how you define it. If you think long term exists or not etc etc However you want to call it, the thing we are referring to can be felt. And it can feel good for a short time, for a long time, or for some people they never feel it. Sometime it hurts a lot instead of feeling good. But what does it matter what we label things. It is what it is. That's it. 😅
 
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motel rooms

Survivor of incest. Gay. Please don't PM me.
Apr 13, 2021
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If you think you love something, it is just something to lose and eventually cause you more pain, so experiencing love (whatever that means), cannot be a good thing. In this life it seems that anything positive will just lead to more suffering. It does not matter what we experience in our lives as all life is so temporary and meaningless after all

Oh Lord... "If you think you love something..." I know it's not your intention to hurt anyone's feelings, but you're implying that people who fall in love with someone are dummies who just think they're in love. If you don't understand what experiencing love means, then simply don't write about it & claim it can't be a good thing. And it does matter what we experience in our lives, it would very much matter to all of us if someone could magically make us healthy.

For that matter, all of human experience is just brain chemistry. So what, Socrates? We're human, that's the way it works around here.
So? Neither does a good meal. Welcome to human existence. Nothing lasts, including us.

Exactly.
 
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ornitier199

Arcanist
Mar 26, 2022
413
Why would I wait around for something that'll never happen?
Being alone so long I've come to enjoy my own company, adding another to the picture doesn't feel right. I realized after 2 years.
And it saves me from the headache and tribulations that come along with it.
Heartache, betrayal, infidelity, tension, trust, yeah the list goes on.

Though no need to look down or skew a view of someone doesn't have, never had or who refuses 'love' too.
 
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motel rooms

Survivor of incest. Gay. Please don't PM me.
Apr 13, 2021
7,086
I think of going to the Grave without having a Psychedelic Experience is like going to the Grave without ever having Sex. It means that you never Figured out what it is all about. The Mystery is in the Body and the way the Body Works itself into Nature.

Having sex is not the Same thing as Making love, you Know. Fucking doesn't Give you some Sort of sacred Knowledge. Are you Cured of suicidality Now that you've Figured out What it's all About, btw?
 
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needforvoid_

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Apr 18, 2022
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My thoughts are that it's your life and do whatever you want.

Love is feeling complete, like finding something you were looking for your whole life. An intense feeling, not a decision. The more someone describes it, the more annoying probably if you haven't had it, so sorry. I used to hate love songs from the depth of soul.

I'm here regardless, my mh went in a place where I can't love anymore. On one hand it makes ctb harder, having had life be nice. On the other one it makes me more sure, I don't want to live if I can't love now. Used to regret not dying before at times, but alas, once I die it doesn't matter.
 
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Slimetae

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Apr 23, 2022
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Not going to burden anyone with my problems I guess that's why I have a lack of relationships /intimacy I mean idrc anymore bc I'm going to check out eventually
 
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Darkover

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Jul 29, 2021
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Having sex is not the Same thing as Making love, you Know. Fucking doesn't Give you some Sort of sacred Knowledge. Are you Cured of suicidality Now that you've Figured out What it's all About, btw?
it is all about love... making someone else existence just a little easier... nothing else matters, love just makes life better there is no cure for suicidality
 
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Ashu

novelist, sanskritist, Canadian living in India
Nov 13, 2021
703
I'm sorry for the harshness of my reply.
 
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archipelago

Student
Jun 27, 2021
148
As terrible as this sounds I just want the sex not the romance.

Love means you have to expose yourself and be vulnerable emotionally. As a very private person that sounds terrifying. Also my emotions are constantly all over the place every day. I refuse to drag someone down into the darkness with me. Nor do I want any more guilt about ctb.
I don't think this sounds bad. You know what you're looking for, and as long as you're up front about it, don't pressure or force anyone into it, that's totally fine. No need to feel bad about knowing what you want.
 
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asmah

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Feb 1, 2021
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I think if I will ever ctb. I will try to use drugs, like the day before and then end it.
I always wanted a relationship, but I am fucking uggo and become more and more socially weird over the years. So I dont think I will ever deserve this.
I just recently got jelaous watching some stupid doves. Fucking doves! Because even they had a loving relationship
 
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shrek34

Student
Sep 14, 2021
121
I hate to break it to you, but what people call love is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed.
I'm gonna need you to take these seeds into the bathroom, and I'm gonna need you to put them way up inside your butthole?
 
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MicropBaldCurrycel

Specialist
Dec 29, 2021
314
I'm gonna need you to take these seeds into the bathroom, and I'm gonna need you to put them way up inside your butthole?
lmao finally someone got it
 
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MicropBaldCurrycel

Specialist
Dec 29, 2021
314
surprised more Rick and Morty fans aren't here to off themselves 😅
hahahahahaha good one but you see us Rick and Morty fans are more suicidal because we know that life is meaningless and we know about existentialism and the realties of life.

you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick And Morty😎
 
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Superdeterminist

Superdeterminist

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Apr 5, 2020
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It's a horrible feeling. The fantasies are a taunting source of grief.
 
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The Abyss

The Abyss

Why're we still here, just to suffer?
Dec 19, 2019
259
36 m, never had anything either. Not that I didn't try as I did but after forming a connection over the Internet things either never got to the face to face part, died after 1 date or I was messed around. Even tried the meeting in person & asking out route.

Autism, not the best face & being introverted just ain't a good combo when you're male. The latter no doubt being a byproduct of how you're treated throughout your life; you choose to avoid the bullshit & pain so just slide into avoidance of them 'orrible ppl.

I'd just say see a prostitute (no not sex worker; fuck this constant term changing).

What I do find fascinating is that if you mention (online ofc) you're a virgin over the age of 25 besides the snickers & insults you'll also get some "it's not a big deal, you'll find someone, give it some more time" etc...encouragement & understanding but if you're labeled as an incel suddenly you deserve nothing, it's good you've had fuck all & suddenly should die in a fire. So the experience or circumstances are the same but with the turn of a term everything hits different. I do find the accusations of being a rapist or danger to women funny while also being accused of never leaving the basement & too scared to approach women. Which is it lol.
I'm in a similar boat and I've struggled with coping every single day. Dateless, kissless virgin at 28 years old. What a joke I am! I've been told before that this status alone is a literal red flag which I agree with and it means no sane person should ever want to be with me and I have yet to be able to counter that point.

It's gotten so bad that I'm aware that my lack of experience is only digging me deeper and that even if someone was willing to give me a chance, to indulge in this thing that my stupid human biology was wired to crave would be cruel on my part because I'd be guaranteed to hurt them in some way. I don't know about you, but as much as I whine and moan about being perpetually lonely, I realize that this is the only way to prevent myself from subjecting some poor woman to the cruel fate of ever being with someone as deplorable as me.
I'll be real with you, most yes the majority of those that hurt their partners or inflict violence upon another they're "close with" are those that are successful at getting relationships or casual sex; not good at keeping a relationship going though. More rape occurs with the victim knowing the rapist than some random lurking the streets for a victim.

It's an abundance mindset, if you know you can get sexual partners easily & don't have to jump through hoops to get some you will value the commodity they give up (sex, intimacy) less than someone who struggles to attain these. The importance of this will seem trivial to you too as you're indulging in it frequently & see it as natural as going swimming.

Confidence is attractive yet you would be too if you're getting results. Desperation is bad but how is someone gonna act if nothing is working?

I legitimately believe there would be a lot more functioning, confident, not riddled with "dirty little secret" ppl that have had zero relationships or bangs if they'd had just two.

Something, anything would kick you passed a mental block attributed to unwritten rules about the tabooness of missing "milestones".

Worrying you'd hurt the other person is nothing, like I said many of the in high demand on the dating scene ppl are the biggest heartbreakers.
 
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Dr Iron Arc

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Feb 10, 2020
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I'll be real with you, most yes the majority of those that hurt their partners or inflict violence upon another they're "close with" are those that are successful at getting relationships or casual sex; not good at keeping a relationship going though. More rape occurs with the victim knowing the rapist than some random lurking the streets for a victim.

It's an abundance mindset, if you know you can get sexual partners easily & don't have to jump through hoops to get some you will value the commodity they give up (sex, intimacy) less than someone who struggles to attain these. The importance of this will seem trivial to you too as you're indulging in it frequently & see it as natural as going swimming.

Confidence is attractive yet you would be too if you're getting results. Desperation is bad but how is someone gonna act if nothing is working?

I legitimately believe there would be a lot more functioning, confident, not riddled with "dirty little secret" ppl that have had zero relationships or bangs if they'd had just two.

Something, anything would kick you passed a mental block attributed to unwritten rules about the tabooness of missing "milestones".

Worrying you'd hurt the other person is nothing, like I said many of the in high demand on the dating scene ppl are the biggest heartbreakers.
Maybe that's the case for me but just because children aren't the leading cause of car accidents, doesn't mean we should still let them behind the wheel. It's the same with anything that requires a heavy amount of experience I would imagine.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
8,971
Think all of my early crushes on people have been weird ridiculous obsessions. Recently seen there is an actual term for it- limerance. Really wish I'd known it at the time because they felt so real and painful. Still, I probably wouldn't have admitted it to myself while I was in them.

Always been single and I'm 42 now. Sometimes wonder if I might have had the potential to be in a happy, loving relationship at one time- like you- when you experience those feelings/wishes through Art.

Still, kind of know that in reality it wouldn't work out. Get in such dark moods that I'm not sure another person could bring me out of. I'd either have to pretend I felt better or hide it in the first place- which I think I would end up resenting- or they would.

Plus, I'm not attractive, don't want to make the effort to be more attractive and I'm not domestic either! Hate housework.

Think I'm actually happier when I don't fancy people and tell myself that I'm partly single by choice. Still, I know what you mean about wondering about it- like life in general I guess- whether we all had the potential to be able to be in a better spot at one point.
 
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