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CrazyHorse

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It looks like it has happened. The Supreme Court in the US decided to overturn Roe v. Wade and essentially ban abortion in approximately every red state instantly, thanks to implemented triggers laws in these states. There was a leaked document that confirmed the decision of the court months ago and I was very worried when I first read it. I'm shocked and surprised, I didn't think such a socially accepted right could suddenly become up to debate again. It's gonna reverse decades of progress for womens rights. It looks like only 4(!) years of Trump (he appointed these judges) already caused significant and long-lasting damage to the country. And it seems it's not gonna stop there. They will also go after LGBT rights next, I have no doubts about that. If abortion suddenly is debatable again, who knows what else is. Many states in the US are already imposing anti-LGBT laws left and right and it's only a matter of time until they try to make it federal and that's very possible depending on the outcome of the next few elections. They can retake the House, the Senate and the White House in 2024.

I thought I'd post this in off-topic first but considering these issues have real and scary implications for people and worst of all it's affects the most vulnerable people in society, I thought this thread is better suited for this subforum because I can only imagine the fear and anxiety that comes with such political developments which don't just challenge our most fundamental rights but also our existence. And if they come after LGBT rights next, I can only imagine that we will have new waves of members soon. I can't blame them. The US is turning into a very scary place very quickly. A minority of religious fundamentalists have taken over and they're imposing their theocratic fascist views on the people. This is a witch hunt against marginalized people and women, there is no doubt about that.

And this goes without saying: with these people in charge who want to impose their Christian ideology on everyone else the US will remain many more years without proper legal acknowledgement of the right to die. With the most recent developments I don't doubt that any chance to implement assisted suicide has been pushed back for decades and turned into a distant dream. This is a huge setback for everyone who wishes to live in a more progressive society centered around compassion and empathy - not division and hatred.
I am sorry. I don't agree with you and you need to move this thread off of the suicide discussion. It doesn't belong here. Not everyone agrees with you.
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I am sorry. I don't agree with you and you need to move this thread off of the suicide discussion. It doesn't belong here. Not everyone agrees with you.
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Please keep politics out of the general discussion
Interesting take. "I do not agree with you, so this does not belong in suicide discussion." Can you see the error in your reasoning yourself, or should I help you?
 
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If the political landscape itself is causing people to want to CTB (and reading through this forum I can tell there are several such people), then this thread absolutely belongs in suicide discussion and should not be moved elsewhere.

The toxicity of the political landscape of the US has objectively skyrocketed in the past five years or so. Not everyone is able to handle this toxic environment, and for those who contemplate CTB because of it, for any reason, this thread has provided immense discussion value.
 
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Many people in Ancient Rome killed themselves due to the fact that they thought the republic was irreversibly corrupted. Among them were some well educated bright minds. The US founding fathers took Rome republic as a role model of the state they were building, so I guess it would not be completely nonsense to discuss the connection between political situation and suicide. Besides, people considered CTB or choose to CTB for different reason, I don't see why politics can't be among those reasons.
 
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Many people in Ancient Rome killed themselves due to the fact that they thought the republic was irreversibly corrupted. Among them were some well educated bright minds. The US founding fathers took Rome republic as a role model of the state they were building, so I guess it would not be completely nonsense to discuss the connection between political situation and suicide. Besides, people considered CTB or choose to CTB for different reason, I don't see why politics can't be among those reasons.
I'm not sure too many people would be considering CTB on purely patriotic grounds. I think a lot of the stress and misery is a byproduct of Hyper capitalism… Most people I know have gotten super rich in the past few years leaving the rest of us behind…
 
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I'm not sure too many people would be considering CTB on purely patriotic grounds. I think a lot of the stress and misery is a byproduct of Hyper capitalism… Most people I know have gotten super rich in the past few years leaving the rest of us behind…
I have not yet met anybody who would actually ctb for plain patriotism. But this is not about "politics", as in some far away people in a far away world doing something very removed, for a part of the population this is about invading into our very own bodies. So the problem is not "my country is going to shit, I should ctb", but "I lost power over the very little sphere that was mine, my own body, and ctb is my way out." Banning abortions does not decrease the number of dead babies, it increases the number of dead would-be-mothers. Some take the coat hanger-sepsis-route, or something similarily painful, others go straight to killing themselves and do not even try to kill the baby alone. Similar problem going on with the restriction of LGBT+ rights. For the latter, I have no numbers and little experience, but it is also invading the last bit of the world that used to be yours to form as you need it, either your own body, or who you have sex with.

Not everyone is able to handle this toxic environment, and for those who contemplate CTB because of it, for any reason, this thread has provided immense discussion value.
I agree. I want to live in a world where some decisions are mine to make, which must include all medical decisions, as well as who I do not have sex with. As far as I am aware, the US has not (yet) banned anything I have ever done, but it is still very distressing and I think it is important to scream about it, everywhere, to hinder the spreading of the plague of anti-choice. Bonus points to screaming for making it easier to breathe.
 
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Freedom for all! Shouts uncle Sam daily at a crossroad with finger cross behind his back smirking at the irony of his little joke.
 
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I have not yet met anybody who would actually ctb for plain patriotism. But this is not about "politics", as in some far away people in a far away world doing something very removed, for a part of the population this is about invading into our very own bodies. So the problem is not "my country is going to shit, I should ctb", but "I lost power over the very little sphere that was mine, my own body, and ctb is my way out." Banning abortions does not decrease the number of dead babies, it increases the number of dead would-be-mothers. Some take the coat hanger-sepsis-route, or something similarily painful, others go straight to killing themselves and do not even try to kill the baby alone. Similar problem going on with the restriction of LGBT+ rights. For the latter, I have no numbers and little experience, but it is also invading the last bit of the world that used to be yours to form as you need it, either your own body, or who you have sex with.


I agree. I want to live in a world where some decisions are mine to make, which must include all medical decisions, as well as who I do not have sex with. As far as I am aware, the US has not (yet) banned anything I have ever done, but it is still very distressing and I think it is important to scream about it, everywhere, to hinder the spreading of the plague of anti-choice. Bonus points to screaming for making it easier to breathe.
A lot of the stuff involving LGBTQ rights and abortion Is political theater… It's basically creating huge hassles for people who can't afford to travel out of state…The pulverization of the middle class creates far more misery…
 
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Banning abortions does not decrease the number of dead babies, it increases the number of dead would-be-mothers.
I very much agree. This is a fact that pro-lifers tend to either conveniently ignore or simply don't care about. I know for a fact that, for myself, if I become pregnant and cannot get an abortion, that will certainly be the end of the line for me. Because I refuse to bring another human being into this world and subject them to the same things that have made me want to end my life for as long as I can remember. Anyways, I seriously doubt the pro-lifers would care if I died along with the child inside me, and that alone is a good enough reason to CTB any other time.
 
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American logic is not impressive when it comes to voting.

Lets say...
If somebody threw a cake in gods face and the video went viral, people would vote for Satan.
I very much agree. This is a fact that pro-lifers tend to either conveniently ignore or simply don't care about. I know for a fact that, for myself, if I become pregnant and cannot get an abortion, that will certainly be the end of the line for me. Because I refuse to bring another human being into this world and subject them to the same things that have made me want to end my life for as long as I can remember. Anyways, I seriously doubt the pro-lifers would care if I died along with the child inside me, and that alone is a good enough reason to CTB any other time.

I think, it is the phychological abuse (excercized by the republican party) that gets to us. The abuse of our courtesy, our tolerance, and not the least our patience.
 
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I don't know if I can post this info. I didn't quote any article directly, but look up Quebec Abortion on the internet. Please take down if not allowed.

Doctors in Canada have been trying to give easier access to the abortion pill and recently an administrative procedure delaying access was removed to allow people to access it more easily and later than originally allowed.

Quebec, which has the easiest access to the pill, dropped a whole lot of administrative BS requirements to grant physicians (and thus patients) easier access without needing an ultrasound. The article I read says that the government did this SPECIFICALLY in response to the US's Roe vs Wade decision. (Info in article updated July 16, 2022).

People 14+ can consent on their own. 13- need parental/guardian consent but can be overturned by consultation with a social worker if there is a disagreement.

Montreal area code + 380-8299 Monday-Friday, 8am-4pm

If you live in Canada you can get it for free as you would any other healthcare service.
If you live in the US, you are welcome (says our head of country himself) to come and get this service, seeing as your country has decided you are not allowed. There are fees for out of country of course. They probably are far less than if you tried to get it done in the US. The border services are aware that many people may be looking to cross the border for this. Come and get your Maple Syrup if you cannot get it where you live! (I mean it seriously and sincerely).
 
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The generation that copulated and debauched in their younger years are now fully grown social conservatives.

If joe rogan didnt have such a hard on for the nancy fridays.
 
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The generation that copulated and debauched in their younger years are now fully grown social conservatives.

If joe rogan didnt have such a hard on for the nancy fridays.
The vast majority of Americans are in favor of gay rights and abortion
 
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This does not forbid abortion… It just does not guarantee abortion as a federal/Constitutional right… most states will continue to have abortion rights that are far more liberal than anywhere else in the world. But then there will be extremely backward places like Mississippi where they will try to outlaw abortion altogether. And then there will be places like Georgia where there will be some kind of struggle. This could actually end up benefiting progressives in places like Texas where they will be forced to mobilize in order to elect Legislators who will guarantee abortion rights.

The vast majority of Americans support gay marriage and gay rights. Clarence Thomas is a whack job and an outlier. The Supreme Court is not going to do anything to overturn gay marriage whatsoever. Guarantee it.
How you feeling any the supreme court and gay marriage now. They're going to take them all away except loving bc of Clarence
 
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How you feeling any the supreme court and gay marriage now. They're going to take them all away except loving bc of Clarence
The Supreme Court might take away a federal guarantee but individual states will certainly be able to pass whatever legislation they choose… In other words the Supreme Court is not going to be able to stop gay marriage or abortion rights… But they may stop a federal guarantee of those rights… This will be extremely unfortunate to people living in Alabama and other backwards places… I'm sincerely sorry for those people - it really really sucks - but they'll just have to vote themselves the laws that they want… That's how a representative democracy works… They are free to elect different state legislatures, different governors …
 
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The Supreme Court might take away a federal guarantee but individual states will certainly be able to pass whatever legislation they choose… In other words the Supreme Court is not going to be able to stop gay marriage or abortion rights… But they may stop a federal guarantee of those rights… This will be extremely unfortunate to people living in Alabama and other backwards places… I'm sincerely sorry for those people - it really really sucks - but they'll just have to vote themselves the laws that they want… That's how a representative democracy works… They are free to elect different state legislatures, different governors …
Have you not seen the televangelists scresmng don't say gay? The governor's and state Congress passed to prevent teaching of gay or civil rights or or segregation Have you not seen the video of women screaming baby killer and murderer at women just holding signs? Do you not realize we don't have a functioning democracy anymore? And those states will never have Democratic representation bc of the gerrymandering set by the Confederate states? And how are all the poor paycheck to paycheck women to travel 800 miles to a clinic that may be the only one in the state that is now booked for weeks in advance and you may then miss the legal cutoff.

The supreme court has already said they're going reconsider all those civil rights advances in the 20th century except loving... Because Clarence and Ginni, of course.

They've actually said it. And then there's the issue of the insurrectionist Republicans in office who are still defending Trump and charges haven't been filed vs any of them for anything still they'll not so the next time.

They've already said they're going to sundown social security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Maybe none of that affects you right now, but all of it will.

They're coming for it all and the 2 senators who are actually Republicans are blocking everything Democratic that should happen. We don't have a representative democracy anymore.

They undercounted the census and particularly in huge cities it was felt bc non white residents were left out of the census... Which changed the number of reps ny my and ca had. Among others.

Where are you getting ANY idea that they won't come for all of that when they've already done most of it and swear they'll do the test of it off they regain power. And bc of these decisions and proclamations their base is 100% motivated to vote.

Please expect the worst bc it's happening right now
 
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If there is any solace in planning your own exit, it is that you no longer have to give a shit about politics because politics is a game about allocating future resources and by definition, you won't be around to care.
 
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If there is any solace in planning your own exit, it is that you no longer have to give a shit about politics because politics is a game about allocating future resources and by definition, you won't be around to care.
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I truly never understood talking about politics. It only ever leads to arguments and pointless debates that don't make any real change happen. Highly doubt any of us going on and on about most of these things are going to do anything to make any kind of change.. who knows.. maybe.. I try not to get myself riled up over these things. I'm already stressed out as it is and I won't we around much longer anyway.
 
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Maybe you could move the needle if you did some kind of public self-immolation suicide, like what triggered the arab spring back in 2010 like a monk setting himself on fire. Otherwise, and especially if you're going to off yourself, why bother caring about a shitty future when you won't be around to enjoy/suffer through it
 
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It's like the US is on the path to becoming Saudi Arabia at this point. Things seemed to be going in the right direction only a few years ago, but not anymore. It's bullshit.
The US and Saudi Arabia, a better love story than Twilight
 
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Have you not seen the televangelists scresmng don't say gay? The governor's and state Congress passed to prevent teaching of gay or civil rights or or segregation Have you not seen the video of women screaming baby killer and murderer at women just holding signs? Do you not realize we don't have a functioning democracy anymore? And those states will never have Democratic representation bc of the gerrymandering set by the Confederate states? And how are all the poor paycheck to paycheck women to travel 800 miles to a clinic that may be the only one in the state that is now booked for weeks in advance and you may then miss the legal cutoff.

The supreme court has already said they're going reconsider all those civil rights advances in the 20th century except loving... Because Clarence and Ginni, of course.

They've actually said it. And then there's the issue of the insurrectionist Republicans in office who are still defending Trump and charges haven't been filed vs any of them for anything still they'll not so the next time.

They've already said they're going to sundown social security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Maybe none of that affects you right now, but all of it will.

They're coming for it all and the 2 senators who are actually Republicans are blocking everything Democratic that should happen. We don't have a representative democracy anymore.

They undercounted the census and particularly in huge cities it was felt bc non white residents were left out of the census... Which changed the number of reps ny my and ca had. Among others.

Where are you getting ANY idea that they won't come for all of that when they've already done most of it and swear they'll do the test of it off they regain power. And bc of these decisions and proclamations their base is 100% motivated to vote.

Please expect the worst bc it's happening right now
In red states like Alabama limiting gay rights and abortion is certainly the Democratic process in action - the vast majority of voters are Republican. Representative democracy seems to be working quite well there.
 
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In red states like Alabama limiting gay rights and abortion is certainly the Democratic process in action - the vast majority of voters are Republican. Representative democracy seems to be working quite well there.
I guess you're right if your want to take away all the rightz realized federally and make states responsible. But they're making life decisions, without having medical degrees, Abt medical issues. I guess if you think making women second to corpses is your idea of a democratic solution, your right. Human rights be damned... Let's let them enforce their religion on everyone else.

I guess that's what you think is ok. I guess you're a white cisgender make bc all of this affects every other person's rights. But sure. Old white men and women ruling by force and against any other believe system is fine. Just fine.

If you have anything other than wasp on your they'll come for you somehow.

But yeah. Sure. It's all Democratic for sure. 🙄
 
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As a trans person this shit makes me so fucking sad if the situation is getting bad even in first world countries it's only a matter of time until the garbage politicians in my shithole country start doing the same thing
 
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I guess you're right if your want to take away all the rightz realized federally and make states responsible. But they're making life decisions, without having medical degrees, Abt medical issues. I guess if you think making women second to corpses is your idea of a democratic solution, your right. Human rights be damned... Let's let them enforce their religion on everyone else.

I guess that's what you think is ok. I guess you're a white cisgender make bc all of this affects every other person's rights. But sure. Old white men and women ruling by force and against any other believe system is fine. Just fine.

If you have anything other than wasp on your they'll come for you somehow.

But yeah. Sure. It's all Democratic for sure. 🙄
If people in Alabama want to make life miserable for themselves it's not my business to tell them what to do… We should've let the red states go when we had the chance (the civil war).
 
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If people in Alabama want to make life miserable for themselves it's not my business to tell them what to do… We should've let the red states go when we had the chance (the civil war).
What you're not seeming to understand is there's a good number of ppl who DON'T believe the way the gerrymandered districts make it seem to everyone they want that. I'm sure it's very close to a tie to how many ppl actually want this and who don't, but they have absolutely no hope of having THEIR civil rights protected bc a close or maybe no majority rules law and order there. Don't think most black ppl don't see this as a real threat to their lives, but they have no way to move anywhere else, have no hope of winning an election, and are stuck with confederate rule. It's not representative government. It's fascism.
 
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I fully understand that certain states are heavily gerrymandered… So in a place like Wisconsin the democratic process has been perverted and corrupted…
But in a place like Alabama gerrymandering is irrelevant… Doesn't seem very democratic for somebody in New York or California to tell people in Alabama how to run their lives… Does that seem "democratic" to you? Don't you think the people of Alabama are democratically entitled to be wrong?
 
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A lot of the stuff involving LGBTQ rights and abortion Is political theater… It's basically creating huge hassles for people who can't afford to travel out of state…The pulverization of the middle class creates far more misery…
'LGBTQ rights' is too complicated to be just one thing. Gay marriage isn't in the same category as experimental hormonal treatments on kids without parental consent and child bodily mutilation, but 'LGBTQ rights' implies it is.
 
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'LGBTQ rights' is too complicated to be just one thing. Gay marriage isn't in the same category as experimental hormonal treatments and child bodily mutilation, but 'LGBTQ rights' implies it is.
You're absolutely right… Something like 80% of even Republicans favor gay marriage… Child bodily mutilation is more complicated …
 
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You're absolutely right… Something like 80% of even Republicans favor gay marriage… Child bodily mutilation is more complicated …
at the time, under nazi law, the medical experiments that were being done on prisoners were technically legal, but a vast majority of us agree that despite that, what they were doing was criminal - I think it's the same with a lot of this 'transitioning' stuff - it may be legal, but the state some of these young people are left in, is beyond disgraceful - and it's the US, so of course it's all about money - an industry worth billions and growing
 
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You're absolutely right… Something like 80% of even Republicans favor gay marriage… Child bodily mutilation is more complicated …
I read the other day about someone left with a hairy 'vagina', and when I say vagina I mean that using proper English, rather than American English, where they use the word vagina to mean vulva - I mean the passage they had made from forearm skin, but for some reason they hadn't stopped the hair growth, so you can imagine the mess this person was in - it may be legal, but so was the shit they were doing in the nazi camps, under the, then, current nazi law