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Funny thing is... I think I was even taught to do things without expecting things from others... by my adoptive father... who was mentally abusive. He probably screwed me up too to be honest.

Actually yeah, It very much sounds like a learned behaviour. Have you ever had a chance to explore that further on your own or maybe with a therapist?

I had something similar growing up with two narcissistic parents. Not saying that your mom is a narcissist but based on what you described her actions definitely sound like emotional abuse.
 
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Actually yeah, It very much sounds like a learned behaviour. Have you ever had a chance to explore that further on your own or maybe with a therapist?

I had something similar growing up with two narcissistic parents. Not saying that your mom is a narcissist but based on what you described her actions definitely sound like emotional abuse.
I think she learned things from her ex, as he was bad.... We never realized it for like 20 years. it wasn't until he was gone that we noticed it. He was manipulative, lied to others to make us look bad and him look good. He told us others loved him (I was told by his bosses he was a joke basically--I worked with his bosses at a different company later on).

And don't get me wrong. I was a manipulative child, I knew how to play one adult against another to get what I wanted (got an Atari that way lol). But before I lost my memories were lost from visitation with my biological father (stepmother and stepsisters were abusive)--yeah my childhood was screwed, there's videos of me running and singing using a hose as a microphone and dancing and playing and being a normal child. Then visitation with my biological father, and instant change. No laughing, no playing, nothing. it was like I was dead inside. Anytime I didn't make others happy, I was punished.

But I had been sent to therapists... actually psychiatrists. Some I remember, others not. They couldn't 'break' me apparently (they even tried hypnosis). They sent me to religious people for 'therapy' where I was blamed for making adults sin as if I wasn't bad they wouldn't have.

So yeah. I basically never really had a chance I don't think. My brain developed with a help others, put them first, others are more important than you, survive at all costs type of thing.

So I know what caused it basically--too late for me. I'm fine with that. Just sad that that knowing what I do, I still care more for others than they ever will for me.
 
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I think she learned things from her ex, as he was bad.... We never realized it for like 20 years. it wasn't until he was gone that we noticed it. He was manipulative, lied to others to make us look bad and him look good. He told us others loved him (I was told by his bosses he was a joke basically--I worked with his bosses at a different company later on).

And don't get me wrong. I was a manipulative child, I knew how to play one adult against another to get what I wanted (got an Atari that way lol). But before I lost my memories were lost from visitation with my biological father (stepmother and stepsisters were abusive)--yeah my childhood was screwed, there's videos of me running and singing using a hose as a microphone and dancing and playing and being a normal child. Then visitation with my biological father, and instant change. No laughing, no playing, nothing. it was like I was dead inside. Anytime I didn't make others happy, I was punished.

But I had been sent to therapists... actually psychiatrists. Some I remember, others not. They couldn't 'break' me apparently (they even tried hypnosis). They sent me to religious people for 'therapy' where I was blamed for making adults sin as if I wasn't bad they wouldn't have.

So yeah. I basically never really had a chance I don't think. My brain developed with a help others, put them first, others are more important than you, survive at all costs type of thing.

So I know what caused it basically--too late for me. I'm fine with that. Just sad that that knowing what I do, I still care more for others than they ever will for me.
That's so awful! How can anyone do things like that to a child?! Yes, I love how people think if you know what caused your problem that makes it better. All that does is allow you to know what caused your problem, but it doesn't change the problem.
 
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fuck, that sounds awful. So sorry you had to endure that. Don't know what to say - really wish you had gotten the support and care you needed from your parents.

I don't think you are some challenge or puzzle for someone to crack, but I just hope you've had a chance to try healing in more accommodating settings. It's sucks that therapy wasn't that helpful for you.

I basically never really had a chance I don't think.

I know how suffocating this can feel. In a way it also makes me feel liberated, cause i feel like if I CTB im just writing the ending of a bad story. Do you ever get that feeling?

In the same way you describe your behavior as learned, i think the more self-oriented perspective is also learned. At least for me it was. It was, as you say, "survive at all costs", just with different circumstances and outcomes. I've definitely observed many people trying and succeeding in learning those behaviours as they improve their standards for friendship, relationships, etc.
 
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fuck, that sounds awful. So sorry you had to endure that. Don't know what to say - really wish you had gotten the support and care you needed from your parents.

I don't think you are some challenge or puzzle for someone to crack, but I just hope you've had a chance to try healing in more accommodating settings. It's sucks that therapy wasn't that helpful for you.



I know how suffocating this can feel. In a way it also makes me feel liberated, cause i feel like if I CTB im just writing the ending of a bad story. Do you ever get that feeling?

In the same way you describe your behavior as learned, i think the more self-oriented perspective is also learned. At least for me it was. It was, as you say, "survive at all costs", just with different circumstances and outcomes. I've definitely observed many people trying and succeeding in learning those behaviours as they improve their standards for friendship, relationships, etc.
Well my stepmother I didn't give what she wanted I have to say. But she was an exception lol. I hated her. Still do. But with me, I have always had the same viewpoint and way of living. Never varying. Many, many times of having enough and attempting to ctb though, granted they were all (basically) destined to fail.

That's so awful! How can anyone do things like that to a child?! Yes, I love how people think if you know what caused your problem that makes it better. All that does is allow you to know what caused your problem, but it doesn't change the problem.
Yeah. It's honestly why I say no one has ever loved me. Family says they do (mom and her side), but I believe they did only because family says they love family, not because they really do.

I won't even say I"m ok with that... I"m not. But, I have to be because I honestly have no idea what love is. Except for what I feel for my cats. But I've never felt that for any human.

I know that sounds bad. It is, but, who knows maybe i'm just a sociopath who cares about others lol That'd contradict.


Well this has been a lot more honest than I've been with friends that've known me for 30 years.
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Oh I have food! YAY FOOD!!!
 
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Well my stepmother I didn't give what she wanted I have to say. But she was an exception lol. I hated her. Still do. But with me, I have always had the same viewpoint and way of living. Never varying. Many, many times of having enough and attempting to ctb though, granted they were all (basically) destined to fail.


Yeah. It's honestly why I say no one has ever loved me. Family says they do (mom and her side), but I believe they did only because family says they love family, not because they really do.

I won't even say I"m ok with that... I"m not. But, I have to be because I honestly have no idea what love is. Except for what I feel for my cats. But I've never felt that for any human.

I know that sounds bad. It is, but, who knows maybe i'm just a sociopath who cares about others lol That'd contradict.


Well this has been a lot more honest than I've been with friends that've known me for 30 years.
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First, I'm glad you finally have some food!

Second, I understand your situation with your family saying they love you- but it's just because that's what family says. My family was much the same way, with a few exceptions. Unfortunately for me, the people who are the exceptions are the ones who died and I was left alone with the rest of them.

My heart breaks for you that you've never been truly loved or been able to truly love another person. Of course, it's hard to love another person when you've never truly been loved yourself. So that actually makes some sense to me. I'm glad you at least have your cats.

I know I got incredibly lucky when I met my husband. I still have no clue how that happened, except that the universe had to give me something big so it could snatch it away from me. It was all a set up. At least that's how it seems to me.

I've had some incredibly good luck in my life, but it's always been balanced out by double or triple the incredibly bad luck. For every good thing I get, I feel like I have to pay for it in tenfold or more. The universe just likes to fuck with me.

And, I know it's not the same, but I care about you. :heart: :hug:
 
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First, I'm glad you finally have some food!

Second, I understand your situation with your family saying they love you- but it's just because that's what family says. My family was much the same way, with a few exceptions. Unfortunately for me, the people who are the exceptions are the ones who died and I was left alone with the rest of them.

My heart breaks for you that you've never been truly loved or been able to truly love another person. Of course, it's hard to love another person when you've never truly been loved yourself. So that actually makes some sense to me. I'm glad you at least have your cats.

I know I got incredibly lucky when I met my husband. I still have no clue how that happened, except that the universe had to give me something big so it could snatch it away from me. It was all a set up. At least that's how it seems to me.

I've had some incredibly good luck in my life, but it's always been balanced out by double or triple the incredibly bad luck. For every good thing I get, I feel like I have to pay for it in tenfold or more. The universe just likes to fuck with me.

And, I know it's not the same, but I care about you. :heart: :hug:
That actually means something to me--so thanks :)
:(

Do you mean they were destined to fail in an uplifting manner? Do you have current plans to CTB?
Oh see I've had over 15 attempts from age 15 to... 24 (just did the math). Shy of guns and jumping.... probably most other methods as a test to see what would be useful/possible... look more like accident.... be less hurtful to parents. I was one of the few people who would pop 24 otc pills without a second thought when that young that I didn't consider that an OD (despite it being up to 4x the max dosage on a bottle, and wouldve been to medical people, since it was a starting point). I still have scars on my arm.

And well, there's a reason I managed to find this site in December lol.
 
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Jesus, that's rough. Wish you had better experiences and life never led you down this road :aw:

I didn't realize you had joined just a few days before me!
 
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Jesus, that's rough. Wish you had better experiences and life never led you down this road :aw:

I didn't realize you had joined just a few days before me!
yep, join date is on the left under your picture/etc
so... 5 days before you
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wow.... cocunut rum in cheery coke is surprisingly good.... like... oops... I may have drank a bit much... kinda tingly lol.
 
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yep, join date is on the left under your picture/etc
so... 5 days before you
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wow.... cocunut rum in cheery coke is surprisingly good.... like... oops... I may have drank a bit much... kinda tingly lol.
Shit! I've got to catch up with you. I've been nursing the same drink for two hours. Too busy writing posts on here. LOL!
I just finished it. I got to go get another one. I'm not even buzzed yet and it's already nearly 10 o'clock!
 
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Shit! I've got to catch up with you. I've been nursing the same drink for two hours. Too busy writing posts on here. LOL!
I just finished it. I got to go get another one. I'm not even buzzed yet and it's already nearly 10 o'clock!
meds saying not to use with alcohol lol--I'm a cheap drunk lol

coworkers were talking about it--one was saying how she was arrested after one drink because she passed out, then vomited , and tried to order more to drink at a casino rofl all because of a med she was on lol
 
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https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...e-of-this-shit-even-happens.30699/post-561384

@Backwood_tilt, I thought I remembered you saying you were a musician at one point. If you wanna see a really cringe worthy video of somebody absolutely destroying a guitar, granted it seems like a cheap guitar but still. . . Here's a video for you. This guy posted it because we were talking about what the medical industry does to psychiatric patients and the guy posted the video saying that in this scenario we, the patients, are the guitar.
By the way, did you have any clue that there's a whole group of people out there that are into making electric guitars out of anything they can find, including Ramen noodles. I had no idea! I've never heard of anything like that. To each his own.
 
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coworkers were talking about it--one was saying how she was arrested after one drink because she passed out, then vomited , and tried to order more to drink at a casino rofl all because of a med she was on lol

was she charged with anything? that would be really fucked up.

benzos can definitely put me in a weird headspace, especially if i had been using cannabis before. Think it just intensifies the effects of drinking for me.
 
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Bottle has alcohol gone to top of label... my drink is almost gone... and I am like almost to the point of... something.. I find my hand moving amazing becaues it's so cute and it moves.
was she charged with anything? that would be really fucked up.

benzos can definitely put me in a weird headspace, especially if i had been using cannabis before. Think it just intensifies the effects of drinking for me.
she didn't say... only that she was only like "where are you taking me? just call my dad" lol
 
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I'll be going to sleep now. Maybe I'll be the lucky one to not wake up next day :tongue:
Apparently not. Good time of day, everybody.

@Carina sorry to hear about your family. I don't know what love is, either. My mother says she loves me, but it feels more like self-pity from her side. My relatives pretend to be close people, but really I know nothing about their lives and they know nothing about mine. My ex liked to say and hear about love, but when I screwed up, she was like "I don't feel anything towards you anymore" and we never met again. I felt attached to others, but it only brought me emotional turmoil and little on the side of positive feelings.

Sorry for me beginning to rant again. Maybe we should just start a loveless club there :)
 
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Drunbk for the first time immomths. Just walked into a wall, bahahaha.
I shoukd get into bed.
 
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Apparently not. Good time of day, everybody.

@Carina sorry to hear about your family. I don't know what love is, either. My mother says she loves me, but it feels more like self-pity from her side. My relatives pretend to be close people, but really I know nothing about their lives and they know nothing about mine. My ex liked to say and hear about love, but when I screwed up, she was like "I don't feel anything towards you anymore" and we never met again. I felt attached to others, but it only brought me emotional turmoil and little on the side of positive feelings.

Sorry for me beginning to rant again. Maybe we should just start a loveless club there :)
I'm seriously beginning to think that this site goes to show that there's a "how to make a suicidal person cookbook"... there's just so many similarities between so many of us!
Drunbk for the first time immomths. Just walked into a wall, bahahaha.
I shoukd get into bed.
I may be kinda drunk too... or maybe I"m sober and the world is slightly wobbly
omg I forgot how to drink
 
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If you wanna see a really cringe worthy video of somebody absolutely destroying a guitar, granted it seems like a cheap guitar but still. . . Here's a video for you. This guy posted it because we were talking about what the medical industry does to psychiatric patients and the guy posted the video saying that in this scenario we, the patients, are the guitar.
By the way, did you have any clue that there's a whole group of people out there that are into making electric guitars out of anything they can find, including Ramen noodles. I had no idea! I've never heard of anything like that. To each his own.


lmao what a strange video, that was the weirdest "restoration" ive ever seen.... im so confused at what he's doing!

I did not know about ramen noodle guitars haha but i have seen some pretty cool lapsteel designs. Did you start learning about that after seeing the restoration video?
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i had to stop drinking cause its late and im supposed to go do some blood work at my doctor's tomorrow afternoon.

hope you guys don't get too drunk, keep a bucket near by if you need to puke :blarg:
 
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lmao what a strange video, that was the weirdest "restoration" ive ever seen.... im so confused at what he's doing!

I did not know about ramen noodle guitars haha but i have seen some pretty cool lapsteel designs. Did you start learning about that after seeing the restoration video?
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i had to stop drinking cause its late and im supposed to go do some blood work at my doctor's tomorrow afternoon.

hope you guys don't get too drunk, keep a bucket near by if you need to puke :blarg:
Oh I won't be drinking that much. I don't usually get sick when I drink. The only time I get sick when I drink is if I do it on St. Patrick's Day and they put green food coloring in the drink without me knowing it. That was the sickest I ever got in my life once when I was in college. Otherwise I don't normally get sick when I drink. Thankfully.

Yeah, that was one strange video. I don't know. I may have to go online and look for some of those Ramen noodle guitar videos and see what that's about. That sounds really weird.
 
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lmao what a strange video, that was the weirdest "restoration" ive ever seen.... im so confused at what he's doing!

I did not know about ramen noodle guitars haha but i have seen some pretty cool lapsteel designs. Did you start learning about that after seeing the restoration video?
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i had to stop drinking cause its late and im supposed to go do some blood work at my doctor's tomorrow afternoon.

hope you guys don't get too drunk, keep a bucket near by if you need to puke :blarg:
I am perfectly fine... any rumors of me dancing and singing quieting in my chair to "not the future" and "bushes of love" while almost falling out of my chair are totally lies. But yeah I don't get sick either

lol. ok they're not lol... omg I still have more to finish... I so need to drink water.
 
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I am perfectly fine... any rumors of me dancing and singing quieting in my chair to "not the future" and "bushes of love" while almost falling out of my chair are totally lies. But yeah I don't get sick either

lol. ok they're not lol... omg I still have more to finish... I so need to drink water.
LOL! Yeah, make sure you drink water so you don't get too dehydrated. That's how you keep from getting a headache the next day. I actually have some stuff that I take when I drink that rehydrate you really quickly and it's got salts (no SN though that I know of ) and all that kind of stuff in it that rehydrate you. So I can get fairly drunk and not usually have a hangover the next day.
 
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hmmmmm I thinl my neighborr is dealing again. Lots of comming and going. I should go score off him.
 
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I am heading to bed. Goodnight morning everyone. Well I think only Cynical just woke up but still. Gonna bump Stan's thread and head to bed. Hope I don't sleep in this time or get woken up by screaming.
 
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LOL! Yeah, make sure you drink water so you don't get too dehydrated. That's how you keep from getting a headache the next day. I actually have some stuff that I take when I drink that rehydrate you really quickly and it's got salts (no SN though that I know of ) and all that kind of stuff in it that rehydrate you. So I can get fairly drunk and not usually have a hangover the next day.
yeah Normaly I never get hangovers except same day, and that's just asi get dehydrated that quick. i so cannot type or spell. I hope that makes sense.
YAY all aocohol gone! well what was in glass... onto water
 
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I am heading to bed. Goodnight morning everyone. Well I think only Cynical just woke up but still. Gonna bump Stan's thread and head to bed. Hope I don't sleep in this time or get woken up by screaming.
Sleep well. I just gave Stan's thread a popcorn bump, but it probably needs bumped again. It seems to fall down the page really quickly, particularly when @Jean4 isn't here.
 
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Wouldn't it be great if it had SN? your mixture for drunk stuff that is
 
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That would be interesting, but I wonder if it would also make you sick.
hmm.. might depend on how much? I mean yeah, to be honest, the guide has the basic guaranteed death quantity reguardless of weight (actually I think it's up to like 300lbs really--I'm paranoid, I checked once). But the accidental deaths have been as little as 1 gram, even possibly with eating, drinking, doing everything wrong. So who knows what it could do. Could be anything from death to tired, to just "nothing"
 
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