Discussion The fixers are back

[waiting4thenextbus]

Obviously boomers are to blame for everything wrong with the world from the demise of the unicorn and the shortage of pink kittens to the cancellation of Glastonbury on the Moon and the formation of an organisation that advocates for assisted suicide. Yeah let's tell that evil boomer PN - who is obviously a fixthe26 member - to get a life instead of publishing his vile book which callously provides SS users with the one and only reliable source for a golden exit.

Sorry but they kind of are to blame.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

Yeah l think they are the ones who can say that unfortunately, they are his family and hold greater claim to his memory than we do - people who weaponise his passing can't even remember his username, he has no trace here, he is a depersonalised object to wield as a retaliative weapon and this is unsettling. The fact that these people are undoubtedly thoroughly objectionable individuals does not, or at least should not, warrant the exhibiting of an immature attitude to suicide as a whole in response. If a loved one of mine were to publicly state, in the event of my suicide, that they hate this website for making it possible for me to access N, the response is very likely to be "lmao boomer Karen normie, you are actually responsible for him killing himself" from some quarters and we should do a bit better regarding our broader understanding of suicide and its impact.

It's really easy to forget that the people behind Fixthe26 are grieving and have lost loved ones to suicide, so some of them are hurting just as much as we are. In the past, I assumed their intentions were purely malevolent from the beginning, so I have made fun of them and have liked "boomer Karen" type of comments too, but I know now that I shouldn't have done so. I can't help but feel partially responsible for the intensity they're coming at us with, even though at the time, I felt justified in my responses to their aggression.

Do you think it would have helped if more of us had responded to them with compassion from the beginning? They might have still tried to come after us regardless, but maybe their methods would have been less extreme if the negative comments hadn't been here?

 

[Al Cappella]

Blaming is only ever done to say "look, it wasn't me!" It's pointless, and achieves nothing. Every generation's time will come when the younger folks start pointing fingers. Shame about the unicorns though…

 

[Chinaski]

Do you think it would have helped if more of us had responded to them with compassion from the beginning? They might have still tried to come after us regardless, but maybe their methods would have been less extreme if the negative comments hadn't been here?

Personally l don't think extending anything to them directly would have made any difference. Yes they are grieving, blame is often a component of this, but they are also not very nice people tbh. Obviously this in itself does not mean talking provocative and intentionally hurtful shit about them does this site any good either. My point was more about how this site doesn't help itself, rather than "let's be nice to the fixers". This extends to other content too, for example the murder fantasies, the bestiality chat (yes folks, such a thread exists), the obvious predator who persistently invited a young girl who turned out to be fucking *jeremy* to move to his flat and be his domestic servant and so forth doesn't help whatever cause this site purports to have either. Those fixer people are always going to be assholes, but giving them ammo in the form of objectionable content is helping, not harming them, and will be offensive to others who perhaps come in better faith.

Another example I'll add here re housekeeping is how, when l returned to the site, l had no idea who the fixers were so looked on their website to find out. They had screenshots from when l was here previously, a long time ago. One was of some guy who was a real malevolent presence imo, an obvious bullshitter who reckoned he had helped more than 500 people die, had Jack kevorkian as his avi, appealed to people to send live videos of SN death for research, considered himself the ultimate suicide guru. I saw this screenshot and immediately remembered that I'd replied to this post to point out my discomfort with his consistently offensive and unremittingly dreadful output, and after that others followed suit, so l figured it was sly of the fixers to screenshot one total cunt and use him as an example of what goes on here, when the reality as l remembered was that he was pulled up for this conduct. This got me wondering what happened to this guy, surely he'd have ultimately been banned, given he practically spammed the forum with a real hard-on for ctb research in his attempt to position himself as death cult leader. So l checked his username and, christ on a fucking bike, the staff had only gone and made this totally fucked up individual a moderator.

This site absolutely should exist and any attempt from those people to attack those who use it should be resisted, they also can not be met halfway with compassion and understanding, and it's by no means imperative that anyone should have a significant degree of sympathy for them, but every time something deliberately callous is posted around the suicide of a former member here it says as much about this site than it does about them, it reduces us to their malicious level entirely, and if this site is to be a serious place for suicidal people, as opposed to another online playground for permanent teenagers to gripe about boomers and normies, it would probably do well to ease off the adolescent mudslinging and ditch the callously immature positions on suicide and its impact imo.

 

[rationaltake]

I have a problem with your comparison. Do you see the title of this thread? It's about fixers, a small group of people who can't stop coming after us. And what makes these people so different is the fact that they resort to harassement, bullying, explicit threats of violence and even doxxing to achieve their goals. Your post says we should take a look at our own house because some members violate the rules? You mean all the content and members we regulate? If somebody is a jerk in a goodbye thread, we take care of it. There are consequences for this type of behavior. But who regulates them? Do you see my problem? You can't compare a group of people who has attempted to ruin lives, engaged in targeted harassement and essentially bullied somebody successfully into suicide with people asking for sources in goodbye threads. It's disgusting but that's in no way comparable. If people violate the rules here, there are consequences. These people out there can do anything and on top of that - because they used the victim card successfully - even get featured in the most important newspaper of the planet, namely the NYT who does nothing but repeat their carefully crafted narrative and framing of this website without researching this forum or even asking anyone here why we value this platform. And the entire point of that article on the other hand is once again trying to ruin lives. Do you see a power imblance here and there maybe that doesn't get addressed in your comparison? How can you bring this up when we discuss a group of people who thinks they're above the law, lash out against anyone that dares to oppose them and even has the full support of the public, the media and politicans.

I was making a specific comparison between parents who don't show understanding towards their children and members who don't show understanding towards others on here.

I understand the fixers are gunning for you as the admin and I appreciate the risks you run to keep this site going. There is no excuse for their behaviour and I agree It's best not to engage with them.

My point was that it's tragic when people are on here because their parents have misunderstood or abused them. And it's even more tragic when these same people receive the same treatment from others on the forum. It's a double whammy.

Maybe it's not realistic to expect people on here to be understanding towards each other just because we're nominally all pro-choice. But we could at least be civil.

I'm bringing it up because I think we can do better. How can we expect others to understand our point of view when we can't even try to understand each other? The bottom line is that it's really not helpful to be gunning for each other.

 

[Al Cappella]

It's tragic when people are on here because their parents have misunderstood or abused them. And it's even more tragic when these same people receive the same treatment from others on the forum. It's a double whammy.

It is, and yet understandable. People that were abused in many cases go on to be abusive themselves. Add to that the fact that mental illness produces lots of anger, irritability, etc. Add to that the fact that social media produces abusive tendencies—and here you are. Mostly, after that you just get people explaining why their form of hostility is justified whereas the other side's isn't…

 

[rationaltake]

Oh we can blame boomers for global warming, the extinction of many animal species, overpopulation, income inequality, outdated institutions of public education that still refuse to change their archaic ways, the lack of proper healthcare systems and the lack of proper mental healthcare systems that should have been there to assist the many people on this forum who are struggling with their minds. Yes we can blame the boomers because they are the ones that developed the toxic work culture that is being propagated in this world to this day and they are the ones that designed institutions to be soul snatching and crippling for young people.

The person "callously" publishing a "vile" book that provides SS users with a peaceful exit is doing far more for the distressed people than whatever the boomers have cooked up as modern society. Boomers created this terrible world to live in and now get's triggered when this generation blames them for it. As I said classic boomer behavior. Boomers had a responsibility and they choose to wipe their ass with it, and now they attack people who are suffering from the consequences of these boomer mistakes. Yes they should get a life and suffer on this trash heap called the Earth.

Generalisations don't work. That's what I was trying to say. Boomers aren't a homogeneous group so there is no "classic boomer behaviour". It's like saying SS members all behave the same way.

Every single person in a particular generation isn't responsible for everything that happens on earth during their lifetime. I only wish I had that sort of power. Are you currently involved in shaping institutions? I'd love to know how to do that.

Is every single member of the current generation to blame for cyber bullying and child labour in China to feed the demand for cheap designer items?

Thanks for putting the words "callously" and "vile" in quotes - that's what I should have done as I was using them ironically. Btw how can PN be "doing more for the distressed people than whatever the boomers have cooked up" when he's actually a boomer himself? Born in 1947. Presumably he's also to blame for cooking up modern society?

I was making the point that nothing is black and white and we've actually got a boomer to thank for the PPeH. Despite that you still think he should "get a life and suffer" purely because of the year of his birth?

 

[hopelessdreams]

the media portrays this site as a place where everyone encourages people to kill themselves, while it's far from that. how ironic that a suicide forum has helped many people stay alive and get through the darkest of days..

instead of stigmatizing these topics, openly talking about them can help people get "better".

 

[Pluto]

Blaming is only ever done to say "look, it wasn't me!" It's pointless, and achieves nothing. Every generation's time will come when the younger folks start pointing fingers. Shame about the unicorns though…

Yes, and it could be argued that there's a vague correlation between blaming and immaturity.

It is understandable that people at the ends of their ropes would carry more than enough fury to throw some virtual rocks at an outgroup perceived as villainous. But the more we have life experience, the more our simple definitions of ingroup and outgroup fall apart.

It would be hard to argue that humans are collectively not to blame for humanity's problems. So we focus on more targeted campaigns, assigning guilt to this or that collective, so long as it's a group that excludes 'me'. We do this to feel empowered without engaging in the hard, humbling work of self-improvement.

Through a tragedy of circumstance, this combination of life inexperience, rage at our life situations and online anonymity makes it hard to avoid this sort of collateral damage, as the website could otherwise be a better place for supporting the enormous diversity of community members sharing our darkest hours.

 

[Death_the_kid]

On their site it says:

"26 words provide legal protection for Internet sites that promote assisted suicide and other dangerous and criminal activities"

They want a certain law (section 230 of the 'communications of decency act 1996') to change so that places like SS would be illegal. Fuck those morons

Better call Sauuul!!!!

 

[Viafactorum]

Generalisations don't work. That's what I was trying to say. Boomers aren't a homogeneous group so there is no "classic boomer behaviour". It's like saying SS members all behave the same way.

Every single person in a particular generation isn't responsible for everything that happens on earth during their lifetime. I only wish I had that sort of power. Are you currently involved in shaping institutions? I'd love to know how to do that.

Is every single member of the current generation to blame for cyber bullying and child labour in China to feed the demand for cheap designer items?

Thanks for putting the words "callously" and "vile" in quotes - that's what I should have done as I was using them ironically. Btw how can PN be "doing more for the distressed people than whatever the boomers have cooked up" when he's actually a boomer himself? Born in 1947. Presumably he's also to blame for cooking up modern society?

I was making the point that nothing is black and white and we've actually got a boomer to thank for the PPeH. Despite that you still think he should "get a life and suffer" purely because of the year of his birth?

Didn't pick up on the irony since English isn't my first language(I feel pretty stupid for that). And in the case of boomers as a generation I believe generalizations are due. Since the corporations and governments of those times were elected or run by the boomers and these entities are primary culprits behind the poisoning of the earth and the general destabilization of society. Taking the two examples of cyber bullying and child labor in China you mentioned into account. Yes in a way the cyber bullying experienced by people in this generation can be blamed on this generation as a collective as we are the ones who have failed to create a more regulated and safe environment online where people can share their opinions and experiences without getting bullied. We are to blame for not setting up watchdogs or agencies that lobbied for more internet safety. I believe a generation is responsible for the wrongdoings of those that belong to it. Because before this generation there was no cyberspace to bully anyone.

The child labor in China however is not something that can be blamed on this generation, because it is actively authorized and propagated by a government of boomers that still struggling with old world blues. Even if the peaceful pills author is a boomer it still doesn't change my statement though. I said that the person who is providing the methods for a peaceful exit has done much more for distressed minds than the entire boomer generation as a collective has ever done. I still think that the boomers who created this terrible world should get a life and suffer on this trash heap, there is no change to that. Although I do agree that a birthdate don't necessarily define the character of a person I do believe the environment in which a person grows up will definitely influence their character and the time frame in which the boomers grew up is what created the selfish generation that left the future generations to die on sinking trash heap.

The generation of the boomers was an extremely selfish one and they exploited the resources of this Earth, consumed without end and poisoned the soil and the seas in the name of progress. Boomers in general show a uniform behavior pattern and pointing out that there is a small minority within this generation that didn't want any of this is not a justification for the actions of the vast majority. There were Nazi SS soldiers that saved Jews from the concentration camps and provided escape routes for hundreds of Jews at the height of WW2, does that mean the SS shouldn't be blame for their atrocities and that their behaviors shouldn't be generalized? See how your argument falls apart when you start to nitpick?

As for shaping institutions, yes I am doing my best as an individual to break away from archaic traditions in my field. I am trying my best to be kinder and understanding of the various people I am dealing with. I actively contribute to groups that lobby ancient institutions for change and slowly there is change. But that isn't enough, and you can thank bureaucracy for that. I agree that nothing is black and white, but boomers as a collective is to be blamed for the shitty condition of the world right now.

 

[Dot]

Slf hve alwys lked tht sasu = filled wth empathc & spportve ppl bt th/ priorty fr sasu hs 2 b safety & securty of th/ wbste & th/ wll-bein of th/ ppl withn it -- sme users hve bn fortun8 enuf 2 not hve dirctly witnessd actns of Fx26 s/ hve th/ luxry of tht empathc perspctve

Whatevr indivdl feelngs R abt Fx26 & thr back-stories thy R stll a risk 2 bth of thse thngs - sme membrs hve attmptd 2 reach out 2 thm on Twittr & Fx26 hve toyd wth thm & playd mnd-gmes wth thm b4 doxxng thm & laghng abt it - postve intractn wth thm hs nt bn pssbl -- & as othrs hve sd thy hve alrdy drivn anthr sasu membr 2 c.t.b

S/ thnk = wld b wrth remmbrng tht whle prpsctves dffr abt approachs 2 Fixrs thr tactics 2wrds sasu R stll predatry & vtriolic & i.m.h.o cllectvely lookng aftr sasu & its membrs nds 2 cme 1st

 

[Shu]

 

[waiting4thenextbus]

Omg I was just about to post this! They also using a VPN by the way, and their service provider is Verizon. See screenshot.

EDIT: WE NEED TO MAKE THIS FORUM PRIVATE. These meddling assholes have nothing better to do than further ruin our lives. They want us to stay alive - for what, to not provide us further help and let us suffer more???

But I bet they wouldn't want us to stay alive if they were mandated to pay our medical and in some cases housing bills. They do not want us to live with dignity. As long as we have a pulse, we're good. FFS! Makes me furious. That lady "Kelli Wilson" on twitter reminds me of my narcissistic mother.

 

[Chinaski]

Slf hve alwys lked tht sasu = filled wth empathc & spportve ppl bt th/ priorty fr sasu hs 2 b safety & securty of th/ wbste & th/ wll-bein of th/ ppl withn it -- sme users hve bn fortun8 enuf 2 not hve dirctly witnessd actns of Fx26 s/ hve th/ luxry of tht empathc perspctve

Whatevr indivdl feelngs R abt Fx26 & thr back-stories thy R stll a risk 2 bth of thse thngs - sme membrs hve attmptd 2 reach out 2 thm on Twittr & Fx26 hve toyd wth thm & playd mnd-gmes wth thm b4 doxxng thm & laghng abt it - postve intractn wth thm hs nt bn pssbl -- & as othrs hve sd thy hve alrdy drivn anthr sasu membr 2 c.t.b

S/ thnk = wld b wrth remmbrng tht whle prpsctves dffr abt approachs 2 Fixrs thr tactics 2wrds sasu R stll predatry & vtriolic & i.m.h.o cllectvely lookng aftr sasu & its membrs nds 2 cme 1st

I don't think anyone in this thread is suggesting any "reaching out" to these people, l don't think at any stage a pro-fixer position has been taken in this thread and no "prolife" remarks have been posted either.

What must be taken to one side is the rather callous and immature approach we take to suicide. It is absolutely possible to think that the fixers are total cunts and also that expressing a callous attitude to a suicide on here is not healthy for any of us who use this site. This is a clear distinction and l again draw it here because this discussion has totally mushroomed into something it isn't.

This is not an argument l make in the interests of PR, it is one l make as soneone who experiences suicidality in a very strong way and would absolutely resent some fool on here using my suicide as a rhetorical device to wield as a weapon. It's unbecoming for a forum which prides itself on "uwu empathy safe haven" to exhibit callousness *about suicide* when there are so many things you can legitimately attack these people over. It reflects badly on the forum inwardly as much as outwardly.

The fixers are malicious trash, they can't be reasoned with or appeased, the things they do are bad. This is a statement of fact, and it's possible to make all of these points without having to repeatedly drop in the wrong headed broader notion that, by definition, those who grieve for a suicide should bear responsibility for that suicide.

 

[waiting4thenextbus]

We should doxx them. We should also say 'PAY UP OR SHUT UP' on their twitter page, as I see someone else is doing. You want us to stay alive? Okay? Pay for our peoples medical bills. Pay for our housing too. I can't, I'm disabled, and that's why I want to die. I speak for many on here. Pay for my shit and then I might consider living.

 

[rationaltake]

Didn't pick up on the irony since English isn't my first language(I feel pretty stupid for that).

No need at all to feel stupid for not picking up on the irony. Apologies. I'll try to remember in future that English isn't everyone's first language.

 

[Viafactorum]

No need at all to feel stupid for not picking up on the irony. Apologies. I'll try to remember in future that English isn't everyone's first language.

I prefer learning the complexities of an alien language by making stupid mistakes and learning from them so no need to apologize. Was good conversing with you.

 

[rationaltake]

I prefer learning the complexities of an alien language by making stupid mistakes and learning from them so no need to apologize. Was good conversing with you.

I wouldn't have guessed you're not a native English speaker. It was good conversing with you too. Thanks for explaining your point of view.

 

[bubugurl]

They are spearheaded by people who are the relatives of some of those that ctb'd on this website. They are unable to cope that the person who went through with the ctb was beyond their power to help so they pin the blame on SS for existing because without SS existing their loved one would not have access to this information. It's classic boomer behavior, they think that beating down a suicidal person, restricting their access to information and pretending that everything is ok is enough to "fix" someone in mental distress. It's a joke really, they are just people looking for something to blame. The people on this forum do not encourage anyone to ctb nor do they actively endorse any methods for people on the brink. There are discussion and detailed methods on how to ctb but none of them are marketed. It's like F26 trying to take down Wikipedia because it had information that some Chinese emperor kicked the bucket due to mercury poisoning. I swear some of these boomers need to get a life.

Please don't lump all boomers together. I'm a boomer and I'm here like anybody of any age is here. We're all humans.

 

[waiting4thenextbus]

Please don't lump all boomers together. I'm a boomer and I'm here like anybody of any age is here. We're all humans.

You might be one of the few decent exceptions. In my personal experience edit:(and opinion) most boomers suck.

 

[Cathy Ames]

We should doxx them. We should also say 'PAY UP OR SHUT UP' on their twitter page, as I see someone else is doing. You want us to stay alive? Okay? Pay for our peoples medical bills. Pay for our housing too. I can't, I'm disabled, and that's why I want to die. I speak for many on here. Pay for my shit and then I might consider living.

You're missing the point. They don't care about "us," and they certainly don't care if we live or die, have a life that's worth living, and etc. They care about revenging the deaths of their own children and have cast themselves as preventing the suicides of other young people by removing the easy access to the information. Never mind that the internet is forever, and all of the info about SN, yes ALL OF IT, is available elsewhere, including some places that these very fine people will never be able to touch.

 

[rationaltake]

You might be one of the few decent exceptions. In my experience most boomers suck.

It's interesting how certain forms of discrimination are tolerated or even encouraged by some members on here. Not only is this comment ageist it's disrespectful towards another member. Your comment sucks.

 

[Shu]

You might be one of the few decent exceptions. In my experience most boomers suck.

What generation are you a part of?

 

[waiting4thenextbus]

You're missing the point. They don't care about "us," and they certainly don't care if we live or die, have a life that's worth living, and etc. They care about revenging the deaths of their own children and have cast themselves as preventing the suicides of other young people by removing the easy access to the information. Never mind that the internet is forever, and all of the info about SN, yes ALL OF IT, is available elsewhere, including some places that these very find people will never be able to touch.

It's not for any other outcome, other than to make their lives hell, like they're trying to making ours here. They should be harassed, just like they have harassed members on this forum. I'm angry. I'M FURIOUS ACTUALLY. It's the principle that counts. I know very well that they don't care about 'us', whether we live or die, but they're using the 'guise of 'suicide prevention'. Let's make it clear on their Twitter page that that's NOT what they are here for, they are here to cause harm through 'revenge' only. They want something to blame (even though it's themselves they should blame), so they are attacking SS. That's wrong.

I know access to this info is elsewhere, which makes it even more ironic and idiotic that they're specifically targeting SS. 'Junior' could have found information on how to die elsewhere.

What generation are you a part of?

Not such a great one - millennial. Millennials still spew out too many children IMO. Maybe I'm just anti all generations except the 'silent generation' which came before the boomers. They set up everything so well for the boomers to stuff it all up by having too many children. Which generation are you part of?

It's interesting how certain forms of discrimination are tolerated or even encouraged by some members on here. Not only is this comment ageist it's disrespectful towards another member. Your comment sucks.

I'm sorry if I offended you. I do not redact my opinion though, sorry.

 

[rationaltake]

I'm sorry if I offended you. I do not redact my opinion though, sorry.

Edit. My connection cut out! No need to apologise to me. Your comment was directed at bubugurl. I think stating your opinion is fine but I don't see the need to make it personal.

 

[Cathy Ames]

I know access to this info is elsewhere, which makes it even more ironic and idiotic that they're specifically targeting SS. 'Junior' could have found information on how to die elsewhere.

Yeah, that's what I meant. They're conveniently ignoring this.

 

[Someone123]

They sound like a gang of interfering pricks. What's it got to do with them what people's personal choices are?

This group seems to be mainly of parents of college age kids who have ctb'd after being on this site. I will say that the stories I have read about these young people who ctb'd- in each case that I read about, these young people were in a temporary crisis and that with the right help they wouldn't have ctb'd, so I understand their motivation. Especially with people who are younger I try to encourage reaching out to family and friends for help, since many of these people are in a temporary crisis. So it's a tough situation, because some people are long term depresssed without being able to find relief despite trying just about everything you cad do, and I do support choice because of this. BUt it's a tough thing because some young people especially don't see how much better this can get. If I haad the right help in my 20s I wouldn't be here now in my fifties- if I could give myself ten minutes of advice when I was 18 this whole mess would have been avoided- but what is the reigt advicwe for each person? It's not easy to see sometimes.

 

[Suicidebydeath]

F**k the 26, period. Doxxing is wrong. They're irresponsible because they don't take any responsibility themselves. Society doesn't as a whole, but most people aren't out there making things worse.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

I saw this screenshot and immediately remembered that I'd replied to this post to point out my discomfort with his consistently offensive and unremittingly dreadful output, and after that others followed suit, so l figured it was sly of the fixers to screenshot one total cunt and use him as an example of what goes on here, when the reality as l remembered was that he was pulled up for this conduct. This got me wondering what happened to this guy, surely he'd have ultimately been banned, given he practically spammed the forum with a real hard-on for ctb research in his attempt to position himself as death cult leader. So l checked his username and, christ on a fucking bike, the staff had only gone and made this totally fucked up individual a moderator.

I saw that screenshot earlier too and he was a sketchy sounding guy. I thought I remembered seeing the profile pic you described in the past, but couldn't remember the name until then. It just sucks that Fthe26 had to screenshot something he said to make us look like the villains, but predatory people are everywhere unfortunately. Their existence taints any community they happen to be in and that includes us.