Discussion The fixers are back

[Secrets1]

I was familiar with this group already and hope that the families find peace. Their grief is understandable and it's easier to blame a website than to accept their loss and the true reasons behind it. Those are the stories that make the news but how many people have been helped by this site? How many have stayed alive, or been comforted in some way, even if it was in their last moments? Those stories won't make the news.

This site is the first place I've ever felt like I can be honest and genuine. Ever. In 45 years. I see great value in that.

Here lies a problem. No one here speaks up publicly because of STIGMA and all the individual vitriol a pro SS worldview would receive. LE would be contacted, who would harass me, call my dr. who knows I'm not CTB'ing today, and cause a giant unnecessary shit show. Hurting potential career opportunities and being labeled for as long as one does live.

I don't believe the people who won't talk to us to hear a perspective unless we reveal our identity would even have a full dialogue. I suspect more often than not they'd get upset, be unable to finish the conversation and move on to publicly painting the SS user as a villain regardless of any details or facts.

Just like they cherry-pick to distort the narrative of what actually goes on here. That's what I hate about the group and for many, it reflects on how they handle emotions as parents. Finger pointing. Unwilling to acknowledge both sides, how on some level they must have contributed to their child's death. Clearly mainly under the surface buried in their subconscious as a coping mechanism. If FT26 were willing to give the empathy they want to receive while maintaining a middle ground goal it'd be a much different story and might accomplish something FT26 wants. Watching that video of her frame what goes on here while knowing the truth reminds of some Q-Anon lunacy type shit.

 

[odradek]

My advice would be to ignore these people. Don't give them any identifying information because they will doxx you as it suits them. They've done it in the past. They have weaponized their grief into a vendetta against this place. They are not rational and cannot be reasoned with which makes them dangerous to anyone from here who engages them in good faith. Also, on a different note, probably be more careful with who and how you relay method information here. As the user maybe underage but I digress...

As long as they're not harrassing members here, their project essentially equates to screaming into the void. They're powerless to do anything about this site as they are mostly based in the USA or UK. Ignore and disengage from them. It's worth it imo. They hate you because their child is dead. Their grief is undeniable so there is no reasoning with that trauma. At least until they are willing to confront and deal with it. Which seems unlikely at this point. I choose to ignore them and I just pity them when I'm reminded of their existence. They are pitiful in the truest, non-pejorative sense. Somewhat like ourselves here.

 

[Sprite_Geist]

Okay, coming in with a hot take. I'm no more a fan of F26 than the next SS-er, and I condemn their vitriolic approach and desire to suppress our community, speech, and choice. But maybe we'd all be better off if we met them with compassion. This is a group of grieving parents and people who don't want to see others (especially children) die deaths they see as wrong and preventable. I don't mean to say they're right in any of this, but it's understandable that they would be angry and feel vindicating in pointing a finger and rallying against a group they see as doing real harm.

That said, I'm really not a fan of the tone of parts of this thread.

This community has already attempted to show compassion and civility, and in response it has only received more abuse and blame. You speak of compassion, but compassion works both ways, so perhaps you should try to understand the pain that certain members of this forum have experienced in response to being harassed by those who wish to destroy this community.

If it is permissible, or at least understandable, for someone to attack innocent members of this site out of grief and anger then we should also be allowed to retaliate in kind. Again: compassion and empathy work both ways.

 

[Atlantian]

This is why I bought my sn quickly. The death of this site is inevitable. It always is when something controversial does not align with current popular beliefs. They won't ever let up until this site is eventually taken down. You can feel the energy on this forum too...people know the end is near

 

[Viafactorum]

Okay, coming in with a hot take. I'm no more a fan of F26 than the next SS-er, and I condemn their vitriolic approach and desire to suppress our community, speech, and choice. But maybe we'd all be better off if we met them with compassion. This is a group of grieving parents and people who don't want to see others (especially children) die deaths they see as wrong and preventable. I don't mean to say they're right in any of this, but it's understandable that they would be angry and feel vindicating in pointing a finger and rallying against a group they see as doing real harm.

That said, I'm really not a fan of the tone of parts of this thread.

The F26 lot are paint this site as some sort of ctb encore for teens on the edge. They somehow paint a picture that the users on this website hunt down teens and actively encourage them to go forward with ctb which is far from the truth. The constant argument these boomers throw out is that this website is run by "incels" and that only shrinks and social workers should be running websites like this. In that same line of thought the founders of YouTube must be film makers and the founders of Twitter or Reddit must be anthropologists. But that's not how the world works now is it? As I said these grieving boomers are just pointing fingers. They do no seek to understand the people on this forum or the ultimate purpose of something like this existing. They just want to play the blame game. Most of them are oblivious to the fact that this same behavior of theirs towards their children or loved ones is the same reason they went forward with their ctb.

The mother in the YouTube video linked says that her son wanted her to see the SS page because it was open in his phone which is what led her to the belief that this website is the reason that her son ctb'd. What if he was jacking off using PH? Is she going to blame PH for causing his ctb? At the end grieving parent or not it doesn't matter. If you are painting the people on these websites as some sort of monsters without even having a proper line of communication with them, then ultimately you require no sympathy.

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

This community has already attempted to show compassion and civility, and in response it has only received more abuse and blame. You speak of compassion, but compassion works both ways, so perhaps you should try to understand the pain that certain members of this forum have experienced in response to being harassed by those who wish to destroy this community.

If it is permissible, or at least understandable, for someone to attack innocent members of this site out of grief and anger then we should also be allowed to retaliate in kind. Again: compassion and empathy work both ways.

BINGO. I have nothing but sympathy for people who lose someone to suicide, but the second they go on a counter-productive crusade? Gloves are off. There are plenty of situations where a person goes through a painful experience, has a really bad reaction to it, and does something morally wrong. We don't give those people sympathy. I'm not about to start with f26.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

I watched the first video from PBS. Didn't watch the 45 min video. I don't have time. The other one was blocked.
It was a waste of time. They are still blaming the site, not actually trying to get to the real cause of the problem.
There are different factors, not just mental health. Most likely a combination.
People have also killed themselves because of bullying on twitter or Facebook.
I am still sorry for their loss but attacking us won't bring them back and it's never going to stop suicide.
Just make it more painful and probably bloody.

I can't have the right to die but God forbid we restrict the rights of individuals who purchase AR-15s to go shoot up a school or mall.
We soon won't have legal abortions. Let's make sure everyone can be born so they can be used for target practice.
Also... Would they rather force someone to stay here and have them go crazy enough to go on a shooting rampage?

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

@Shu sorry if I bit your head off, I get very upset about stuff like this. I respect the ability to have an open mind, sometimes I'm unable to have one. Seriously though it wasn't personal, I just tend to write aggressively, even on good days.

 

[Shu]

@Shu sorry if I bit your head off, I get very upset about stuff like this. I respect the ability to have an open mind, sometimes I'm unable to have one. Seriously though it wasn't personal, I just tend to write aggressively, even on good days.

I understand it's my apologies as well I was in a bad mood

 

[Musketeer]

They sound like a gang of interfering pricks. What's it got to do with them what people's personal choices are?

Yep! they are moralists, and honestly I would not befriend any one of these pearl clutching freaks. I really hate moralists it's fine to have morals and be proud of them, once you start shoving them down other peoples throats is when I start to call foul.

 

[RainAndSadness]

But maybe we'd all be better off if we met them with compassion.

I just woke up and the first thing I read is this...

To everyone who thinks we should treat them compassion, let me clue you in what happened. They have doxxed a member in this forum on Twitter, they repeatedly leaked personal information as an act of intimiation, they have tried to send the authorities to Twitter members who talk out against them, they have stalked, harassed and threatened us in any way imaginable. They even encouraged violence towards the previous site owners. And tall of that is just a tiny snipet of the actual scope of their vigilant behavior.
I tried to talk to FixThe26 approximately 2 years ago. I created an account and sent her a message that explained all the suffering I've endured in my life. It was a sincere attempt to get into a conversation and maybe change her mind. You know her reaction? "Talk to me when you're not hiding" with complete disregard of my story. She wanted to know my identity. It's the same woman who doxxed another member of the forum by leaking a personal picture, including their name, age and location.
These people aren't just inconvenient. They're dangerous if you interact with them.

I'm also a victim of their creepy behaviour, they tried to stalk me, little did they know they actually went after another trans woman they thought to be me, a poor soul from the UK and they ended up finding their Pornhub account. I say this to show how far they push into somebodys personal space. They tried to ruin the previous site owners life and I know they want to dox me as well, right now in this very moment.
I have evidence for all of this.

If any of you think compassion will get you anywhere with that mob, try it out. But they aren't interested in a sincere conversation. They want revenge and they want this website gone and this goal is driven by the strongest emotions.
And look. I understand it to some degree. They probably see their loves ones, every time they think of suicide. That's trauma. They're unable to see suicide as an autonomous and rational decision that's actually protected under the law but that's the problem in my opinion.

I wouldn't worry too much though regarding their ancounements that this website will go down soon. They have done this for the last 3 years and they have exhausted pretty much all options. That NYT article was their last shot in my opinion. There is no indication that this website will be gone in the near future. It's a coping mechanism. The idea that we could be gone soon is empty hope after 3 years of intense work to get us from the internet with no results. They're doing this to keep themselves on track.

 

[Chinaski]

If any of you think compassion will get you anywhere with that mob, try it out.

I certainly wouldn't advocate extending anything towards these people, they are clearly assholes and anything extended from this website will not be engaged with in good faith. On a personal and individual level, these people are unpleasant.

It is however possible to think this about these people whilst also not being an immature dickhead about suicide, its impact, and its ensuing grief. It's not just "typical boomer behaviour", as suggested in this thread, to be bitter, angry and vengeful over the loss of a loved one. It's also not appropriate to state that grieving parents, however much we may dislike them as individuals, should bear the responsibility for the loss of their loved ones. Most of us who ctb will leave someone who grieves for us and this should be respected even if that person is a complete fucking asshole, as these people are. There are many things about them people on this site can attack them for with legitimacy without using the suicide of a member of this site as a weapon against them.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I certainly wouldn't advocate extending anything towards these people, they are clearly assholes and anything extended from this website will not be engaged with in good faith. On a personal and individual level, these people are unpleasant.

It is however possible to think this about these people whilst also not being an immature dickhead about suicide, its impact, and its ensuing grief. It's not just "typical boomer behaviour", as suggested in this thread, to be bitter, angry and vengeful over the loss of a loved one. It's also not appropriate to state that grieving parents, however much we may dislike them as individuals, should bear the responsibility for the loss of their loved ones. Most of us who ctb will leave someone who grieves for us and this should be respected even if that person is a complete fucking asshole, as these people are. There are many things about them people on this site can attack them for with legitimacy without using the suicide of a member of this site as a weapon against them.

I understand the tragedy of suicide, of course. It still a remains a human right and that's what these people don't understand. Every autonomous and consent adult person has the right to decide over their own life in my opinion.
And you are right. These people are in a miserable mental state. But I said it repeatedly in the forum: it's okay to grieve over loved ones. I've experienced grief over somebody that was close to me, I know it's very difficult and it hits you like a rock. It's a very traumatic process and it takes years to somehow get over it. I don't want to diminish that. But turning justified grief into anger and hate isn't okay, it's not helpful and it has no therapeutic purpose, even less when you use these emotions as fuel for an awful revenge driven campaign that ruins other peoples lives.
These people think their grief justified their intimidating and threatening behavior. It doesn't. It doesn't under any circumstances. And that's the point. If they critisied the forum without all the harassement and threats like any other activist group out there, the reactions in this forum would be very different.
Nonetheless, their goal is to destroy this community and we shouldn't forget that. I understand why people would be very upset about this. For many of us, this is the only space we have to talk about deeply personal subjects. And I'm one of these people. And if members of this community want to speak out against their goal to take down this forum, they have a right to do so.

 

[Chinaski]

We understand the tragedy of suicide, of course but it still a remains a human right. Grief is okay. I've experienced grief over somebody that was close to me, I know it's very difficult. We all know losing a loved is a very traumatic process and it takes years to somehow get over it. But turning justified grief into anger and hate isn't okay, even less when you use these emotions as fuel for an awful revenge campaign that ruins other peoples lives. They think their grief justified their intimidating and threatening behavior. It doesn't. And that's the point. If they critisied the forum without all the harassement and threats like any other activist group out there, the reactions in this forum would be very different.
Nonetheless, their goal is to destroy this community. I understand why people would be very upset about this. For many of us, this is the only space we have to talk about deeply personal subjects. I'm one of these people.

I'm not saying what they do is right. I'm saying what we do should not be as uncomfortably immature as it often is, much of the content of this thread being an example.

Each time this arises at least one person will say "hur hur you were his parent, this is your responsibility" and in so doing they are using the suicide of a member of this site as a weapon. This is absolutely disrespectful to that deceased member, whatever your opinions on the fixer types we should at least treat the suicide of someone here with a bit more respect than this.

Tldr: the fixers are bad, can we also not be immature cunts about suicide

 

[RainAndSadness]

I'm not saying what they do is right. I'm saying what we do should not be as uncomfortably immature as it often is, much of the content of this thread being an example.

Each time this arises at least one person will say "hur hur you were his parent, this is your responsibility" and in so doing they are using the suicide of a member of this site as a weapon. This is absolutely disrespectful to that deceased member, whatever your opinions on the fixer types we should at least treat the suicide of someone here with a bit more respect than this.

Tldr: the fixers are bad, can we also not be immature cunts about suicide

They say we're responsible for these suicides - and once again, we're talking about consenting and autonomous adults that were capable to make these decisions. Many of them expressed in this forum that their parents for example didn't care much about them when they were alive. Some of them said that they didn't experience much love and felt neglected. I've read these posts. So is it really a crazy idea that parents started to care about their children once they were gone? I don't think it's such an offensive idea, my own parents were abusive and they contributed a lot of my suicide ideation. And as the child of terrible parents I understand where these suggestions come from. When I was 18 years and I told my mother that I felt depressed, you know what she did? She laughed at me. If we talk about the responsibility of this forum, we should also talk about the neglected duty of these parents and close family members. Why is it such a taboo to discuss the responsibility of parents nowadays? I think if somebody was suicidal and we want to understand why it happened, we should look at the family first and foremost.

Family impacts your mental health a lot more than a forum on the internet. And they came to us when they didn't have anyone in their life. They were already awfully suicidal when they joined this community. And they decided to spend their last moments of their life in this community, not with their family... just let that sink in.

 

[Chinaski]

Yeah l think they are the ones who can say that unfortunately, they are his family and hold greater claim to his memory than we do - people who weaponise his passing can't even remember his username, he has no trace here, he is a depersonalised object to wield as a retaliative weapon and this is unsettling. The fact that these people are undoubtedly thoroughly objectionable individuals does not, or at least should not, warrant the exhibiting of an immature attitude to suicide as a whole in response. If a loved one of mine were to publicly state, in the event of my suicide, that they hate this website for making it possible for me to access N, the response is very likely to be "lmao boomer Karen normie, you are actually responsible for him killing himself" from some quarters and we should do a bit better regarding our broader understanding of suicide and its impact.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Yeah l think they are the ones who can say that unfortunately, they are his family and hold greater claim to his memory than we do - people who weaponise his passing can't even remember his username, he has no trace here, he is a depersonalised object to wield as a retaliative weapon and this is unsettling. The fact that these people are undoubtedly thoroughly objectionable individuals does not, or at least should not, warrant the exhibiting of an immature attitude to suicide as a whole in response. If a loved one of mine were to publicly state, in the event of my suicide, that they hate this website for making it possible for me to access N, the response is very likely to be "lmao boomer Karen normie, you are actually responsible for him killing himself" from some quarters and we should do a bit better regarding our broader understanding of suicide and its impact.

I don't understand your point. These members were able to clarify and explain in a coherent way why they're members of this forum. And sometimes this reason included lack of love and empthy from their family. So you're saying we should neglect the voice of the actual victims so the people who pretend to be victims can claim victimhood. Did I understand you right, Chinaski?
It's funny how we always brush away the victims of suicide even when they point to the issues that contributed to their decision. And that's never this forum. But it's sometimes their parents.

Look at their Twitter feeds, how they threaten and bully suicidal people, suffering people that talked to them like normal adults, how they intimidate unrelated people who speak out against their tactics and you tell me if you get the impression of parents that were capable of creating a loving and empathic environment.

 

[Pluto]

Did I understand you right, Chinaski?

I think he is trying to avoid conflating the sins of Fixthe26 with decent parents grieving the loss of a loved one, some of whom may find themselves reading this thread.

I too was laughed by my mother during the darkest of my youthful depressions because she's an idiot incapable of empathy. However, this does not give me reason to assume that parental incompetence was a primary cause of suicide in any other cases. For example, a traumatic experience can occur to a young person and lead to suicide, despite all efforts by parents. Autism is frequently a factor, too, and requires considerable expertise on the part of a carer to avert disaster.

Perhaps the ideal outcome is to avoid engaging with militant opponents of our community, yet neither to lose a sense of humanity in our respect for the suffering of suicidal people and grieving family/friends alike.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I think he is trying to avoid conflating the sins of Fixthe26 with decent parents grieving the loss of a loved one, some of whom may find themselves reading this thread.

I too was laughed by my mother during the darkest of my youthful depressions because she's an idiot incapable of empathy. However, this does not give me reason to assume that parental incompetence was a primary cause of suicide in any other cases. For example, a traumatic experience can occur to a young person and lead to suicide, despite all efforts by parents. Autism is frequently a factor, too, and requires considerable expertise on the part of a carer to avert disaster.

Perhaps the ideal outcome is to avoid engaging with militant opponents of our community, yet neither to lose a sense of humanity in our respect for the suffering of suicidal people and grieving family/friends alike.

I'm not saying all parents are responsible. I'm mostly referring to the mob on Twitter, specifically to the two most vocal parents on that platform. I have reason to believe that there were serious issues at hand before their family members committed suicide. And I know that one member of this forum committed suicide partly due to their harassement and threats that were directed at them from that mob. As I said, it doesn't look that bad from the outside and that's why the reporters gave them a platform. But if you have insight and if you did some research, the situation looks a bit different.

I agree with you though that we shouldn't talk about them, ever.

 

[Chinaski]

Did I understand you right, Chinaski?

No, you deliberately didn't and instead chose to put an argument in my mouth that l wasn't making.

 

[RainAndSadness]

No, you deliberately didn't and instead chose to put an argument in my mouth that l wasn't making.

You should know I don't engage with you in bad-faith. I sincerely don't understand your point. Besides, your entire premise of your post only works because you're completely slandering the criticism that was put forward towards the parents.

[...]the response is very likely to be "lmao boomer Karen normie, you are actually responsible for him killing himself" from some quarters[...]

Nobody said that. You said I deliberately didn't understand you and chose to put an argument in your mouth while you did the exact same here, slandering and misrepresenting the nuanced criticism about parents. Interesting.
I already explained why it's valid to question parents who want to (re)direct attention to us so badly.

 

[rationaltake]

I don't understand your point. These members were able to clarify and explain in a coherent way why they're members of this forum. And sometimes this reason included lack of love and empthy from their family. So you're saying we should neglect the voice of the actual victims so the people who pretend to be victims can claim victimhood. Did I understand you right, Chinaski?
It's funny how we always brush away the victims of suicide even when they point to the issues that contributed to their decision. And that's never this forum. But it's sometimes their parents.

Look at their Twitter feeds, how they threaten and bully suicidal people, suffering people that talked to them like normal adults, how they intimidate unrelated people who speak out against their tactics and you tell me if you get the impression of parents that were capable of creating a loving and empathic environment.

Of course some parents do fail their children and some even abuse them.

But I think we could look at putting our own house in order when it comes to respecting the voices of suicidal people.

Some people on here are incredibly supportive but we only need to look at the goodbye threads to see another side of things. It's absolutely shocking that someone in their last moments can be side-lined and harassed by certain members requesting sources or demanding details of symptoms. And worse.

Even friends and relatives in favour of pro-choice would be absolutely appalled by some of the posts on these goodbye threads and the lack of respect they display.

It's not as easy as just deleting these posts. We need to look at the sort of behaviour which is tolerated on here. Or which passes under the radar. What do these posts say about our attitudes towards each other?

 

[Cathy Ames]

And I know that one member of this forum committed suicide partly due to their harassement and threats that were directed at them from that mob.

Yikes. Well that certainly sucks.

 

[Life_and_Death]

Lethality of Suicide Methods

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Suicide methods - Wikipedia

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This really isn't the only place to obtain information. I understand their point (completely disagree with their tones and actions), but they're barking up the wrong tree and won't listen. Instead of reading about how we wish others peace, why not read the millions of threads and comments crying about being alone and not listened to. Being a friend would get them a million times farther than being an enemy ever will.

 

[rationaltake]

"lmao boomer Karen normie, you are actually responsible for him killing himself"

Nobody said that.

Not in this thread no. But I have seen very similar comments in other threads. I thought "lmao" was particularly inappropriate when I came across it.

 

[symphony]

Okay, coming in with a hot take. I'm no more a fan of F26 than the next SS-er, and I condemn their vitriolic approach and desire to suppress our community, speech, and choice. But maybe we'd all be better off if we met them with compassion. This is a group of grieving parents and people who don't want to see others (especially children) die deaths they see as wrong and preventable. I don't mean to say they're right in any of this, but it's understandable that they would be angry and feel vindicating in pointing a finger and rallying against a group they see as doing real harm.

That said, I'm really not a fan of the tone of parts of this thread.

Yikes this has gotten a lot of replies and I'm not going to respond to each person individually. I see their rhetoric and actions and will condemn that til the day I die. I am not suggesting we lie down and take it or walk up to them and kindly ask to just be friends. But screaming about how they're awful humans who shouldn't have children ain't it either. That sort of hate literally serves no one.

I'm not advocating extending an olive branch. Just that when we, within our own community, think about the fixers, we think about them as real, complex humans, with internal lives just as rich as ours, not senseless monsters who know nothing but hatred. Not saying that's what everyone here does, it's just that when I first came to this thread I saw a lot of posts that really rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[waiting4thenextbus]

I just woke up and the first thing I read is this...

To everyone who thinks we should treat them compassion, let me clue you in what happened. They have doxxed a member in this forum on Twitter, they repeatedly leaked personal information as an act of intimiation, they have tried to send the authorities to Twitter members who talk out against them, they have stalked, harassed and threatened us in any way imaginable. They even encouraged violence towards the previous site owners. And tall of that is just a tiny snipet of the actual scope of their vigilant behavior.
I tried to talk to FixThe26 approximately 2 years ago. I created an account and sent her a message that explained all the suffering I've endured in my life. It was a sincere attempt to get into a conversation and maybe change her mind. You know her reaction? "Talk to me when you're not hiding" with complete disregard of my story. She wanted to know my identity. It's the same woman who doxxed another member of the forum by leaking a personal picture, including their name, age and location.
These people aren't just inconvenient. They're dangerous if you interact with them.

I'm also a victim of their creepy behaviour, they tried to stalk me, little did they know they actually went after another trans woman they thought to be me, a poor soul from the UK and they ended up finding their Pornhub account. I say this to show how far they push into somebodys personal space. They tried to ruin the previous site owners life and I know they want to dox me as well, right now in this very moment.
I have evidence for all of this.

If any of you think compassion will get you anywhere with that mob, try it out. But they aren't interested in a sincere conversation. They want revenge and they want this website gone and this goal is driven by the strongest emotions.
And look. I understand it to some degree. They probably see their loves ones, every time they think of suicide. That's trauma. They're unable to see suicide as an autonomous and rational decision that's actually protected under the law but that's the problem in my opinion.

I wouldn't worry too much though regarding their ancounements that this website will go down soon. They have done this for the last 3 years and they have exhausted pretty much all options. That NYT article was their last shot in my opinion. There is no indication that this website will be gone in the near future. It's a coping mechanism. The idea that we could be gone soon is empty hope after 3 years of intense work to get us from the internet with no results. They're doing this to keep themselves on track.

Maybe we should make the forum private temporarily until they f*ck off? What do you think about that? I'm very nervous about this site going away. It's literally all I have.

They say we're responsible for these suicides - and once again, we're talking about consenting and autonomous adults that were capable to make these decisions. Many of them expressed in this forum that their parents for example didn't care much about them when they were alive. Some of them said that they didn't experience much love and felt neglected. I've read these posts. So is it really a crazy idea that parents started to care about their children once they were gone? I don't think it's such an offensive idea, my own parents were abusive and they contributed a lot of my suicide ideation. And as the child of terrible parents I understand where these suggestions come from. When I was 18 years and I told my mother that I felt depressed, you know what she did? She laughed at me. If we talk about the responsibility of this forum, we should also talk about the neglected duty of these parents and close family members. Why is it such a taboo to discuss the responsibility of parents nowadays? I think if somebody was suicidal and we want to understand why it happened, we should look at the family first and foremost.

Family impacts your mental health a lot more than a forum on the internet. And they came to us when they didn't have anyone in their life. They were already awfully suicidal when they joined this community. And they decided to spend their last moments of their life in this community, not with their family... just let that sink in.

I'm sorry but I could not have said this better. Coming from an abusive and narcissistic parent, I understand this deeply

 

[rationaltake]

They are spearheaded by people who are the relatives of some of those that ctb'd on this website. They are unable to cope that the person who went through with the ctb was beyond their power to help so they pin the blame on SS for existing because without SS existing their loved one would not have access to this information. It's classic boomer behavior, they think that beating down a suicidal person, restricting their access to information and pretending that everything is ok is enough to "fix" someone in mental distress. It's a joke really, they are just people looking for something to blame. The people on this forum do not encourage anyone to ctb nor do they actively endorse any methods for people on the brink. There are discussion and detailed methods on how to ctb but none of them are marketed. It's like F26 trying to take down Wikipedia because it had information that some Chinese emperor kicked the bucket due to mercury poisoning. I swear some of these boomers need to get a life.

Obviously boomers are to blame for everything wrong with the world from the demise of the unicorn and the shortage of pink kittens to the cancellation of Glastonbury on the Moon and the formation of an organisation that advocates for assisted suicide. Yeah let's tell that evil boomer PN - who is obviously a fixthe26 member - to get a life instead of publishing his vile book which callously provides SS users with the one and only reliable source for a golden exit.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Of course some parents do fail their children and some even abuse them.

But I think we could look at putting our own house in order when it comes to respecting the voices of suicidal people.

Some people on here are incredibly supportive but we only need to look at the goodbye threads to see another side of things. It's absolutely shocking that someone in their last moments can be side-lined and harassed by certain members requesting sources or demanding details of symptoms. And worse.

Even friends and relatives in favour of pro-choice would be absolutely appalled by some of the posts on these goodbye threads and the lack of respect they display.

It's not as easy as just deleting these posts. We need to look at the sort of behaviour which is tolerated on here. Or which passes under the radar. What do these posts say about our attitudes towards each other?

I have a problem with your comparison. Do you see the title of this thread? It's about fixers, a small group of people who can't stop coming after us. And what makes these people so different is the fact that they resort to harassement, bullying, explicit threats of violence and even doxxing to achieve their goals. Your post says we should take a look at our own house because some members violate the rules? You mean all the content and members we regulate? If somebody is a jerk in a goodbye thread, we take care of it. There are consequences for this type of behavior. But who regulates them? Do you see my problem? You can't compare a group of people who has attempted to ruin lives, engaged in targeted harassement and essentially bullied somebody successfully into suicide with people asking for sources in goodbye threads. It's disgusting but that's in no way comparable. If people violate the rules here, there are consequences. These people out there can do anything and on top of that - because they used the victim card successfully - even get featured in the most important newspaper of the planet, namely the NYT who does nothing but repeat their carefully crafted narrative and framing of this website without researching this forum or even asking anyone here why we value this platform. And the entire point of that article on the other hand is once again trying to ruin lives. Do you see a power imblance here and there maybe that doesn't get addressed in your comparison? How can you bring this up when we discuss a group of people who thinks they're above the law, lash out against anyone that dares to oppose them and even has the full support of the public, the media and politicans.

 

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Obviously boomers are to blame for everything wrong in the world from the demise of the unicorn and the shortage of pink kittens to the cancellation of Glastonbury on the Moon and the formation of an organisation that advocates for assisted suicide. Yeah let's tell that evil boomer PN - who is obviously a fixthe26member - to get a life instead of publishing his vile book which callously provides SS users with the one and only reliable source for a golden exit.

Oh we can blame boomers for global warming, the extinction of many animal species, overpopulation, income inequality, outdated institutions of public education that still refuse to change their archaic ways, the lack of proper healthcare systems and the lack of proper mental healthcare systems that should have been there to assist the many people on this forum who are struggling with their minds. Yes we can blame the boomers because they are the ones that developed the toxic work culture that is being propagated in this world to this day and they are the ones that designed institutions to be soul snatching and crippling for young people.

The person "callously" publishing a "vile" book that provides SS users with a peaceful exit is doing far more for the distressed people than whatever the boomers have cooked up as modern society. Boomers created this terrible world to live in and now get's triggered when this generation blames them for it. As I said classic boomer behavior. Boomers had a responsibility and they choose to wipe their ass with it, and now they attack people who are suffering from the consequences of these boomer mistakes. Yes they should get a life and suffer on this trash heap called the Earth.