GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
Jan 11, 2020
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There have been pro-lifers on the site the past couple of days. I reported posts from two of them, and the mods deleted the posts and banned the users almost immediately. Another member just posted they got a pro-life PM, members advised to report the PM to the mods.

This happens occasionally on the site, so don't freak out! It will pass, and then they'll do it again later. I hope if you come across any that you'll report their activity to the mods and keep cool. The timing sucks because the site was just down, but it's a public forum, so it seems possible to me they're just using the timing to their advantage to scare us, which gives them power only if you're scared, but not real power. I seriously doubt they're going to get the site shut down -- petitions, Facebook posts/groups and even news stories are nothing new, and the site is still here. If anything, they give us publicity and then folks in need of support find the site. So thanks, pro-lifers! One day, you may find that you need us, too. I once was a pro-lifer myself, though not an activist.

Members are too young to die? Then they're also too young to suffer.* Some more rational dialogue, and some new mutually respectful dialogue, would be great.

But until then, since this is an attack on our property, so to speak, to fellow members:


The daily beast the best defense against bullshit is vigilance 76735132


*Quoting member @rhiino.
 
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RightSaidFred

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Belongs in OffTopic, not here. Reported.
 
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NatureHermit921

NatureHermit921

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Feb 3, 2019
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Not all publicity Is good.
While they are trying to "help" - they don't understand why it's not very helpful (Ignorance?). Which is why I would like to talk to one and discuss the topic.
 
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WatermelonMel

WatermelonMel

Melon Master
Aug 19, 2019
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I looked into their petitions and they want to take away the only thing some of us have left, this site over pure emotion of losing their loved ones and think everyone on this site is evil.
 
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GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
Jan 11, 2020
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Not all publicity Is good.
While they are trying to "help" - they don't understand why it's not very helpful (Ignorance?). Which is why I would like to talk to one and discuss the topic.

I think dialogue is great!

Here's one opportunity for you to say something, if you feel it's right for you:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/what-do-you-wish-detractors-knew-about-this-forum.30355/
 
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ebt88

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Jun 11, 2020
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Sorry, what's wrong with prolife posts? It's like some people say why they want to die, it's fine having others saying why to live. Oh or is it they'd call 911 on goodbye posts? Don't think so. Maybe have a prolife megathread pined and everyone "happy"? Just saying
 
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Anonymoussn

Specialist
May 12, 2020
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Belongs in OffTopic, not here. Reported.
If you don't like content, or agree where it's being posted then you know where the report button is. No need to let everyone know.
 
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WatermelonMel

WatermelonMel

Melon Master
Aug 19, 2019
407
Sorry, what's wrong with prolife posts?

It's wrong when they think they can control people and tell them when they are/aren't allowed to die, it's fine if they have an opinion but sometimes they go too far.
 
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GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
Jan 11, 2020
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Sorry, what's wrong with prolife posts? It's like some people say why they want to die, it's fine having others saying why to live. Oh or is it they'd call 911 on goodbye posts? Don't think so. Maybe have a prolife megathread pined and everyone "happy"? Just saying

From the Rules and FAQ:


Welcome to Sanctioned Suicide, a pro-choice suicide discussion forum. We support your right to live, as well as your right to end your life. No one should force you to do things you don't wish to do. We provide a space to discuss the topic of suicide without the censorship of other places, as well a community that can understand and let you be yourself without judging you. Feel free to use this forum to vent, talk to like-minded individuals, or to empathize and offer kind words to other people. We all need and deserve empathy and support.
 
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Anonymoussn

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May 12, 2020
381
Sorry, what's wrong with prolife posts? It's like some people say why they want to die, it's fine having others saying why to live. Oh or is it they'd call 911 on goodbye posts? Don't think so. Maybe have a prolife megathread pined and everyone "happy"? Just saying
I think OP is in part referring to people who think that the whole idea of even having this forum is evil. And that we are evil for wanting to support those in their decisions to CTB
 
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RightSaidFred

Member
Feb 20, 2019
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If you don't like content, or agree where it's being posted then you know where the report button is. No need to let everyone know.
And if you don't like my post or agree with its content ... no need to let everyone know. You could have lead by example but instead you did the opposite and failed.
 
EmbraceOfTheVoid

EmbraceOfTheVoid

Part Time NEET - Full Time Suicidal
Mar 29, 2020
689
I think OP is in part referring to people who think that the whole idea of even having this forum is evil. And that we are evil for wanting to support those in their decisions to CTB

Well it's a good thing we don't value the opinions of people who have the IQ of a banana. These people are too dumb to even realize that they've caused more suicides with their constant use of force and alienation.
 
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GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
Jan 11, 2020
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Sorry, what's wrong with prolife posts? It's like some people say why they want to die, it's fine having others saying why to live. Oh or is it they'd call 911 on goodbye posts? Don't think so. Maybe have a prolife megathread pined and everyone "happy"? Just saying

@Marquis or @Hasssssuùuu, would you like to respond to this? It's not my site. I didn't make the rules and I don't ban anyone.
 
GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
Jan 11, 2020
6,727
Well it's a good thing we don't value the opinions of people who have the IQ of a banana. These people are too dumb to even realize that they've caused more suicides by using force and alienation.

I have a high IQ and I used to be pro-life. I was triggered by the loss of a 16-year-old boyfriend. It wasn't until I was in my 40s that I learned to stop trying to control people and started listening to them. I became pro-choice for people to make their own decisions about managing their own lives, including about suicide, and that was long before I found this site and knew the term "pro-choice."

I think many pro-lifers feel they lost control (that they never even had) when they lost a loved one. But that doesn't justify entering someone else's space and trying to control it or to control the folks who are in it.
 
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Anonymoussn

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May 12, 2020
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I have a high IQ and I used to be pro-life. I was triggered by the loss of a 16-year-old boyfriend. It wasn't until I was in my 40s that I learned to stop trying to control people and started listening to them. I became pro-choice for people to make their own decisions about managing their own lives, including about suicide, and that was long before I found this site and knew the term "pro-choice."

I think many pro-lifers feel they lost control when they lost a loved one. But that doesn't justify entering someone else's space and trying to control it or to control the folks who are in it.
Well said. I think that it's a shame people who have lost loved ones can't channel their grief into advocating for improved mental health services, so that suicidal people feel they have more options in some instances, rather than targeting us for the decisions we feel we've been forced into
 
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pole

Global Mod
Sep 18, 2018
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Sorry, what's wrong with prolife posts? It's like some people say why they want to die, it's fine having others saying why to live. Oh or is it they'd call 911 on goodbye posts? Don't think so. Maybe have a prolife megathread pined and everyone "happy"? Just saying
its fine for a person to feel the need to be pro-life and offer advice to a user, when the thread itself is inviting and asking for such a thing.

however, it becomes a problem when a person enforces any sort of pro-life ideology onto another user on the forum, simply because they feel fit to do so. for example, individuals posting on threads, where the user is set on a specific choice and isn't asking for any advice on life, but simply methods and a person attempts to sway their choice-making because they feel different, when it isn't their right to do so. individuals going out out of their way to put down others and pick and choose who can or cant have a choice, criticizing and judging a person based on age, severity of their problems, etc.

to be completely honest, though im pro-choice, i can see myself also as really pro-life sometimes because of an empathetic approach from first glance. however, i respect another persons choice, when giving empathetic support to another member. the problem lies when a user provides empathetic support and fails to respect the pro-choice aspect of a persons right to want to ctb because of their own morals; providing support and in the process, completely dismissing and ignoring the pro-choice element of the forum. such individuals also force such pro-life ideology onto other users on the forum through guilt-tripping as well.

im definitely missing alot more that others can feel free to add, but i hope ive been able to provide you with the answers you were seeking.

take care.
 
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GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
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such individuals also force such pro-life ideology onto other users on the forum through guilt-tripping as well.

They often say things like, "It will hurt your family and loved ones!"
 
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faust

faust

lost among the stars
Jan 26, 2020
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The worst thing about this is that we cannot predict what intentions of a pro-lifer are, disguised as a desire to help. Hell is paved with good intentions. As well as desire to help does not mean the result will be positive for both sides. The part which I do not like more is when a pro-lifer starts dominating in conversation assuming they know better what to do so they are the boss here. Plus many people simply know nothing about manipulations while pro-lifers may manipulate consciously or unconsciously. A better understanding may come only when people will stay vigilant and learn some more things about this sort of actions. The traps are much easier to determine if we know how they are set. And knowledge is stronger than ignorance. The guy below seems nice too if we don't know who he is.
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Despondent

Despondent

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Dec 20, 2019
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I've noticed some of the pro-lifers activity here over the past couple of days. I know it happens on occasion but it seems like we've had quite the number of visitors. They're walking into the wrong territory.
 
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Broken Chimera

Broken Chimera

The abyss also gazes into you
May 27, 2019
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Something probably happened during the site shutdown. The petition went from 468 when I checked Saturday to 588 now. What happened recently for it to jump that high in 2 days? Now pro lifers coming here to push their platitudes? Something else is going on.
 
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jgm63

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Oct 28, 2019
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Repeating some comments (again) that I've posted before.....

To those that criticise this site without taking the time to understand it first...

On this site :
> We try to ask people what issues they are facing.
> We try to suggest options for addressing the issues.
> We try to encourage people to seek help.
> We try to encourage people to seek all avenues possible.
> We don't encourage people to take their lives.
> If we observe someone encouraging someone to take their life, we emphatically discourage and disapprove of such encouragement.
> We believe people have a right to make their own choices.
> We try to respect those choices, and make them feel supported.
> We believe people should be able to end their lives in a peaceful way if they decide that is what they want.
 
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Jean Améry

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Mar 17, 2019
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Sorry, what's wrong with prolife posts?

Pro life = suicide is wrong under all circumstances, i.e. no-one has the right to put an end to their life for whatever reason.

It does not pertain to counseling someone to try to stay alive a while longer or encouraging them to think things through and maybe try certain options before opting out altogether. Which is perfectly allright in the context of the rules aslong as you don't badger the person and try to impose your views on them. I do it myself when it's clear the person is hesitant and/or an attempt would be ill-informed and ill-conceived.

I will not second-guess someone whose mind is made up as I cannot possibly judge what the better option for that person would be and I'll not insult them by pretending I can and they can't. Doing so would violate my own ethical principles on the matter, even if I think (based on the very limited knowledge I have) that person may be making a huge mistake. Which I cannot possibly know for a fact.

Anytime someone post a goodbye-post it saddens me because grave, pointless suffering (the major if not sole cause of suicide) is inherently bad and it would have been preferable if that person could have found another solution to their suffering. Sadly that is not always the case and since I'm a big proponent of personal autonomy and human dignity I think every individual should have the right to decide such matters for themselves. Pro choice, not anti life nor pro suicide.

Imo 'pro life' is a misnomer as this would imply that this forum is anti life/pro suicide which is simply not true: being of the opinion that every adult should have the right (morally and legally) to end their life voluntarily does not equal the notion that everyone should kill themselves. It doesn't even necessarily imply thinking life itself is inherently a bad thing (pessimism) although I dare say quite a few members subscribe to that philosophical position.

A more correct term would be 'anti suicide' or 'anti personal autonomy' or even better 'anti freedom' as suicide is as dr. Sasz was wont to say our ultimate, fatal freedom. If you're not allowed to determine the time and manner of your own death how free are you really? If others can prevent you from carrying out such a wish by force you are in fact their slave (Seneca).

I think using the term 'pro life' is giving these people more credit than they deserve - as if they are the guardians of life itself which is most likely not the case or they would be in Africa feeding starving children instead of badgering the suicidal with their unwanted ideological preaching (which usually doesn't offer any real solutions as the great majority of us already tried all the conventional 'treatments') - and it makes us look like an anti-social, nihilistic and possibly dangerous group that opposes life itself. Which again isn't the case at all.

If that were the case I would have left this forum a long time ago as I detest bullying/anti-social behaviour in any form and I'm of the opinion pressuring someone into suicide is a form of unjustifiable, criminal violence that should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

It's also clearly and expressly forbidden on this forum and rightly so:

"Do not encourage, manipulate, coerce or help users carry out acts of any nature whatsoever, including suicide; " (https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/rules-and-faq.4/).

Ironically this forum has probably kept (far) more people alive than it supposedly helped die (if providing information that can be found in freely sold books or other readily accesible sources can even be construed as 'help': knowing how something is done by itself leads nowhere nor does it provide the necessary motivation or means and obviously suicide as a social phenomenon didn't start with the advent of this forum or others like it) due to the fact that it allows open discussion of suicide and its members form a caring, friendly community that offers far more empathy, emotional support and respect to those who are suicidal than the outside world with its supposed tough love 'suicide prevention' programs (ye shalt not...) and 'professional help' in the form of feeding the mental health industry with its rather poor track-record of actually delivering on its overblown promises. If they could actually cure mental illness and it would be true that over 90% of suicides are due to mental illness (which is impossible to determine scientifically as a diagnosis of 'mental illness' cannot be established after death, i.e. through an autopsy) why do suicide rates the world over remain consistently high?

Of course everyone should make up their own mind on the matter and I fully believe in everyone's right to choose what is best for them. If that is psychiatric treatment and/or psychotherapy I wish them the best of luck and sincerely hope it'll benefit them.

Maybe have a prolife megathread pined and everyone "happy"?

There already is a recovery section to this forum (which could be construed as 'pro life' in the sense that it allows members the opportunity to discuss their attemtps to make their life better): https://sanctioned-suicide.net/forums/recovery.7/page-2. There also is an overview of possible 'treatments': https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/recovery-treatments.20652/ and an overview of 'suicide prevention' resources (https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/recovery-treatments.20652/#post-680169). What more could you or anyone else who isn't trolling possibly want?

The pro choice stance of this forum and the 'pro life'/anti suicide ideology are mutually exclusive, for the reasons stated above. What you're suggesting is aking to allowing a white supremacy thread on an anti-racism/pro-equality forum.

Why should we attempt to make everyone 'happy'? This forum is meant for its members and pleasing everyone (including conforming to the prejudices of public opinion) is simply impossible. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
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SpottedPanda

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Jul 24, 2019
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Well there's one thing. Because of mention of this forum by a news article I was able to find this website without too much hassle
 
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Soul

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And if you don't like my post or agree with its content ... no need to let everyone know. You could have lead by example but instead you did the opposite and failed.

I succeeded! :halo:
 
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Jean Améry

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Mar 17, 2019
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Belongs in OffTopic, not here. Reported.

The only legitimate reason for reporting a post or a member is if one or more rules were broken. What rule was broken here in your opinion?

Even if a post was made in a wrong forum that's hardly a reason to report someone and certainly not to announce it publicly. Ironically that's what you yourself apparantly seem to advocate:

"And if you don't like my post or agree with its content ... no need to let everyone know."
 
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Close_to_freedom

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Why the long face? Cause I don’t wanna live here.
May 19, 2020
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SJWs of all flavors are bad news.
 
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GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
Jan 11, 2020
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Belongs in OffTopic, not here. Reported.
And if you don't like my post or agree with its content ... no need to let everyone know. You could have lead by example but instead you did the opposite and failed.

Hey, folks, if you weren't aware,

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Best response:

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Because:

Internet troll

S/he will likely post on this thread again. If that happens, I gently remind you:

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Otherwise, the tread becomes about him/her and his/her agenda rather than the topic.

Thanks.
 
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idontwannadothisanym

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I HATE PRO LIFERS GONNA GIVE A BIG FUCKING MIDDLE FINGER TO ALL OF THE PRO LIFERS TOMORROW PRICKS!!! DON'T KNOW FUCK ALL WHAT SOMEONE MAY BE GOING THROUGH HAVE THEY NO RIGHT TO FORCE SOMEONE TO "LIVE" FOR THEIR OWN FUCKING SAKE!!!(sorry for bad language) NOT FUCK YOU CUNTS!!!
 
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I HATE PRO LIFERS GONNA GIVE A BIG FUCKING MIDDLE FINGER TO ALL OF THE PRO LIFERS TOMORROW PRICKS!!! DON'T KNOW FUCK ALL WHAT SOMEONE MAY BE GOING THROUGH HAVE THEY NO RIGHT TO FORCE SOMEONE TO "LIVE" FOR THEIR OWN FUCKING SAKE!!!(sorry for bad language) NOT FUCK YOU CUNTS!!!

This no bad language, this poetry :love:
 
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