Discussion Take your pet with you?

[Disaster]

First to make it clear, I completely agree that the cat should remain unharmed and allowed to live. I'm simply attempting to try and empathize with OP. We should absolutely offer and assist OP in making the best decision but to do so from just an opposing perspective is unlikely to help. For obvious reasons OP cares about their cat. They are also obviously distressed with the idea of leaving their cat in a world without them. The goal is to make them understand that there are options for the cat to remain comfortably.

Ultimately, no amount of nudging or shaming can guarantee the OPs mind changes, which is why it's necessary to at least guide from their perspective to act in the safest, most gentle manor. Sadly, some decisions were made long before a cry for help.

Sources pleassssss

VSED is with a thing done with extensive hospice care. Starving oneself to death is different, just like a leg amputation under anesthesia is different from chopping ones leg off DIY way.
Also, V in VSED stands for voluntary. A cat absolutely can't consent to that. So actually any sources about peaceful hospice deaths wouldn't prove anything there.

About the empathizing thing, I think empathizing with an intent to hands-on kill someone or starve to death or something is beyond my abilities of empathizing, and I don't exactly feel bad for this one of my various limitations Sorry for the dark humor, but geez…

 

[Lullaby]

While I completely understand the mindset, I couldn't imagine ever harming my own cat and doing this. It's just disturbing…

I've been working with animals for years, you can absolutely re-home them and good people are willing to adopt. I've seen elderly cats abandoned by their owners, only to end up in a new home and re-adjust completely fine with their new family.

I can't ever condone hurting animals or people, CTB'ing is such a personal thing that should only involve yourself and/or willing participants.

 

[BrutalWorldNot4me]

My best Buddy Ollie the German Shepard past away in October. He was my best friend. Hopefully I'll join and reunite with him again

:(((

 

[WorthlessCoward]

Who do you think you are? Hitler?

 

[Holu]

Who do you think you are? Hitler?

Where did this come from xD Gah damn

 

[hellispink]

My cats are my family. I truly love them. I would never decide over their lives because my own selfishness and lack of vision. Yeah the world is disgusting to animals. But there is other ways and people who will truly care for them. Everything else is just excuses to end them. Not because we destroying ourselves we need to destroy everything around us. They are animals and they are living things too they have feelings and we have no right to decide for them just because we "owned" them.

 

[unplug]

That'd be the last thing I'd do, what gives me the right to do such a thing, I do love my dogs too much to even consider it. Once I know they're safe then I can go.

 

[Disaster]

Where did this come from xD Gah damn

I think he shot his dog before committing the suicide in the bunker, but I'm not sure.

 

[Dot]

When I had 9 strays, I phoned the rspca to help me find their owners as one was very aggressive. Their advice was don't feed them. I was shocked and horrified. I get the logic - they'll stop coming around but I could never do that. Its just unthinkable.

I have one stray that comes in for food now but he is very sick. You can hear him wheezing and sniffling up the path. He is so congested. If I move he goes so I can't catch him. I'm not strong enough anyway. I think its cats flu. I roast chicken and he eats my cats food and demolishes the chicken.

Hve u postd onlne fr a volnteer or locl animl grp wh/ cn tke thm 2 a sheltr fr u - thre wll b evry-dy ppl wh/ wll b willng 2 hlp

 

[Jezzibell]

It is both selfish and egoistic to take another life because you do not like the idea of them living without you.

But that's not why. Its the worry that they will not find a good home. I don't need or want her to die with me. I don't want her to suffer further trauma. She will most likely land up in the pound and euthanized. There are too many cats out there that can't find a good home. I know. They find their way to me.

Who do you think you are? Hitler?

If you are directing your comment at me - this us WHOLLY INAPPROPRIATE..

This forum is supposed to be a safe space where you can explore what is bothering you.

I've been called a murderer, egotistical, selfish and now you compare me to a mass murderer.

Please stop this type of commenting. You have a right to express your opinion but NOT to make derogatory personal attacks.

 

[Disaster]

But that's not why. Its the worry that they will not find a good home. I don't need or want her to die with me. I don't want her to suffer further trauma. She will most likely land up in the pound and euthanized. There are too many cats out there that can't find a good home. I know. They find their way to me.

If you are directing your comment at me - this us WHOLLY INAPPROPRIATE..

This forum is supposed to be a safe space where you can explore what is bothering you.

I've been called a murderer, egotistical, selfish and now you compare me to a mass murderer.

Please stop this type of commenting. You have a right to express your opinion but NOT to make derogatory personal attacks.

Well,,killing one that can't or doesn't consent to being killed is significantly morally different from suicide and I'm pretty sure that a firm line has to be drawn. Not every thing people want to do should be given safe space. It's a pro-choice side, and the animal can't choose to be killed. Discussing appropriate options of handling pet stuff would be great, discussing DIY killing someone who doesn't consent to being killed is just a freaking NO. Trying to portray killing others as acceptable, giving a "safe space" to this sort of desire is a perfect way to have SaSu shut down.

 

[Fl4u]

But that's not why. Its the worry that they will not find a good home. I don't need or want her to die with me. I don't want her to suffer further trauma. She will most likely land up in the pound and euthanized. There are too many cats out there that can't find a good home. I know. They find their way to me.

If you are directing your comment at me - this us WHOLLY INAPPROPRIATE..

This forum is supposed to be a safe space where you can explore what is bothering you.

I've been called a murderer, egotistical, selfish and now you compare me to a mass murderer.

Please stop this type of commenting. You have a right to express your opinion but NOT to make derogatory personal attacks.

I understand, but please do not give up trying. My understanding is that you have taken care of many stray cats in the past. Don't you think there is some other kind soul out there that would take care of yours now?

 

[WorthlessCoward]

Where did this come from xD Gah damn

If you are directing your comment at me - this us WHOLLY INAPPROPRIATE..

This forum is supposed to be a safe space where you can explore what is bothering you.

I've been called a murderer, egotistical, selfish and now you compare me to a mass murderer.

Please stop this type of commenting. You have a right to express your opinion but NOT to make derogatory personal attacks.

Learn history, Hitler killed his dog to test the cyanide capsules he was given. He feel awful afterwards.

 

[Disaster]

Learn history, Hitler killed his dog to test the cyanide capsules he was given. He feel awful afterwards.

Am I allowed in this safe space, to not feel sorry for him, only for the dog?

 

[Dot]

Learn history, Hitler killed his dog to test the cyanide capsules he was given. He feel awful afterwards.

Tbf am a WW2 enthusiast & dd nt knw ths

 

[AsAboveSoBelow]

Jesus fkng christ wtf am i reading. Just no. Its life is not yours to take. Even if you might think the cat "belongs" to you. Idk where u live but heaps of people would love to take in cats and kitties. Post ads on any online classified advertisement and community website like Gumtree of Craiglists , or if ur neighbourhood got a FB group, or u could even do some postering around your area (or hire someone to, if you cant go out). Call a local rescue or shelter or leave a note. There are other ways to go about it.

Technically, if you'll be "taking your cat with you", that is indeed murder. How'd u know if ur cat still wanna live? Damn

Sorry to say, this reminds me of parents who'd "take their kids with them" as well, or ex-husbands/bf who'd "take their spouse/ex" with them without their consent :/

 

[Jezzibell]

Jesus fkng christ wtf am i reading. Just no. Its life is not yours to take. Even if you might think the cat "belongs" to you. Idk where u live but heaps of people would love to take in cats and kitties. Post ads on any online classified advertisement and community website like Gumtree of Craiglists , or if ur neighbourhood got a FB group, or u could even do some postering around your area (or hire someone to, if you cant go out). Call a local rescue or shelter or leave a note. There are other ways to go about it.

Technically, if you'll be "taking your cat with you", that is indeed murder. How'd u know if ur cat still wanna live? Damn

Sorry to say, this reminds me of parents who'd "take their kids with them" as well, or ex-husbands/bf who'd "take their spouse/ex" with them without their consent :/

I've done all of that if you had read earlier posts. Please everyone stop calling me a murderer. This was a discussion point and not a given. I honestly thought this was a safe place but I feel anything but.

 

[AsAboveSoBelow]

i did read your earlier posts.
I'm not calling you a murderer, but the act of taking another being's life is murder. It is what it is. That is literally the title of your post

I'm not saying you're going to do it.

Just wanted to reiterate that there are other avenues, probably I did not put it in the best way. A bit harsh, soz

It's good that you're concerned about your cat's well-being if you're gone, just a bit disturbing to read bc reminded me of some things

Anyway, wish you the best and may u find a solution for this

 

[Disaster]

I've done all of that if you had read earlier posts. Please everyone stop calling me a murderer. This was a discussion point and not a given. I honestly thought this was a safe place but I feel anything but.

You aren't a murderer if you haven't committed a murder. You're not a murderer for considering murder, but I have no clue why you believed that this is supposed to be a safe space for considering it. We're on a pro-choice site for suicidal people, and it's supposed to be a safe space for that. It doesn't promise to be a safe space for people considering other acts that happen to be criminalized by the governments. Just like a forum that is pro-choice and pro-decriminalization on drug use doesn't have to be a safe space for those who consider drugging others against their will. Being pro-choice means being serious about peoples consent, their body autonomy etc. Of course killing a pet to not be worried about their future isn't and can't be consensual, isn't exercising your own body autonomy.

 

[Jezzibell]

You aren't a murderer if you haven't committed a murder. You're not a murderer for considering murder, but I have no clue why you believed that this is supposed to be a safe space for considering it. We're on a pro-choice site for suicidal people, and it's supposed to be a safe space for that. It doesn't promise to be a safe space for people considering other acts that happen to be criminalized by the governments. Just like a forum that is pro-choice and pro-decriminalization on drug use doesn't have to be a safe space for those who consider drugging others against their will. Being pro-choice means being serious about peoples consent, their body autonomy etc. Of course killing a pet to not be worried about their future isn't and can't be consensual, isn't exercising your own body autonomy.

There is nothing wrong with people expressing their opinion. Its not necessary to get personal. Like I said above I've been compared to Hitler. Called egotistical and selfish. I don't think there is ever a reason to get personal. Everyone on here is suffering and somewhat fragile. By all means say you don't agree with me, or give your reasons why its a bad idea. Just stop making it personal.

 

[Holu]

Learn history, Hitler killed his dog to test the cyanide capsules he was given. He feel awful afterwards.

Nah bro my question was more laughing at the comparison in a manner of, "are you seriously attempting to convey that you believe OP is comparable in morality to Hitler"

There is nothing wrong with people expressing their opinion. Its not necessary to get personal. Like I said above I've been compared to Hitler. Called egotistical and selfish. I don't think there is ever a reason to get personal. Everyone on here is suffering and somewhat fragile. By all means say you don't agree with me, or give your reasons why its a bad idea. Just stop making it personal.

Nah but fr. This isn't an easy topic, and it's understandable that emotions would come to play, but I'd have hoped that a forum like SaSu would at least hesitate before throwing insults(which ultimately serve no purpose since calling you names isn't gonna stop you from taking any actions). One way or the other the Hitler comparison is kinda funny due to how absurd it is

 

[Touhou]

You are a terrible person.

 

[Aisley]

You are a terrible person.

Settle down. Just because you were born five minutes ago doesn't mean everyone else's lives and loads to bear are so unnuanced.

 

[WaitingAllMyLife]

I have wanted to have a pet for so long - a dog or a rat. It would be so nice to have some company in my situation (caregiver for someone with Alzheimer's) but the sole reason I don't get one is because of this very reason.

 

[Dude]

Absolutely not. Reconsider this horrible idea.

 

[Jezzibell]

Absolutely not. Reconsider this horrible idea.

I see you've recently joined us.