Discussion Take your pet with you?

[Fl4u]

Regardless of your opinion this is not the right way of expressing it. Indirectly referring to the OP as selfish and egoistic is not going to help them lmao.

Believe it or not, I'm not a cat. That being said, I don't find it unreasonable that OP or anyone for that matter might possibly be attempting to empathize with the cat following their passing. Personally, I could imagine the cat feeling confused, alone, and heartbroken to have lost their bonded caretaker. Couple this with the fact that the next caretakers might not be as kind, or the possibility that kind makes the decision understandable. That being said, again, I'm not a cat. For all I know the cat might not give two shits, although as someone with a cat myself I find that unlikely.

It is both selfish and egoistic to take another life because you do not like the idea of them living without you.

 

[headcase95]

Cant really offer anything of substance that other people have but as with yourself try to exhaust every possible solution in which the cat can survive happily. If there isn't an option, or the option is incredibly difficult then again, as with yourself make sure the method is as painless and comforting as possible.

It's an incredibly difficult decision that honestly seems nothing but horrific. Still, it's very telling of your personality to worry about the overall well-being of the cat should you not be around. Cats, despite being assholes, are actually pretty good at seeing their bonded humans emotions. Im sure your cat, if they could speak, would understand and be appreciative to have been with you.

If you're going to go yourself then once again, please do so painlessly. It's what you deserve for whatever suffering life forced you into. Take care, both you and your cat. <3

I completely agree with your first paragraphs take but Jesus man. 2 weeks of dehydration for an animal who cannot possibly understand what's occurring is just horrific. Not to mention that the entire time the cat will literally be begging you for sustenance. Starving your animals is nothing but animal abuse. Might as well just torture the cat at that

Cant really offer anything of substance that other people have but as with yourself try to exhaust every possible solution in which the cat can survive happily. If there isn't an option, or the option is incredibly difficult then again, as with yourself make sure the method is as painless and comforting as possible.

It's an incredibly difficult decision that honestly seems nothing but horrific. Still, it's very telling of your personality to worry about the overall well-being of the cat should you not be around. Cats, despite being assholes, are actually pretty good at seeing their bonded humans emotions. Im sure your cat, if they could speak, would understand and be appreciative to have been with you.

If you're going to go yourself then once again, please do so painlessly. It's what you deserve for whatever suffering life forced you into. Take care, both you and your cat. <3

I completely agree with your first paragraphs take but Jesus man. 2 weeks of dehydration for an animal who cannot possibly understand what's occurring is just horrific. Not to mention that the entire time the cat will literally be begging you for sustenance. Starving your animals is nothing but animal abuse. Might as well just torture the cat at that point.

From what I've read dehydration for people (called VSED) is a mostly peaceful, painless process. the only reason I mentioned not feeding them is because food contains liquid which will prolong the process. And 2 weeks max without water is for humans, for a much smaller animal i'm sure it will take much less time. Like I said it's a last resort if you can't find any friends/family members/shelters to take them in. Would you rather your pet live the rest of their lives on the street with no family eating scraps every few weeks or a quick and painless method of CTB? I'm just trying to offer solutions.

 

[Jezzibell]

Yeah, that was a real horrible comment. Funny how everyone just walked by it, eh?

When I had 9 strays, I phoned the rspca to help me find their owners as one was very aggressive. Their advice was don't feed them. I was shocked and horrified. I get the logic - they'll stop coming around but I could never do that. Its just unthinkable.

I have one stray that comes in for food now but he is very sick. You can hear him wheezing and sniffling up the path. He is so congested. If I move he goes so I can't catch him. I'm not strong enough anyway. I think its cats flu. I roast chicken and he eats my cats food and demolishes the chicken.

 

[Holu]

When I moved here 6 months ago after selling my house I'd lived in for 25 years, it broke me. I was so very ill. My weight went down to 16 kg. My cat was traumatised too. I needed to be hospitalised as I was going through refeeding syndrome and severe electrolyte imbalances. I looked in Facebook for Foster family for her whilst I got treatment. I phoned vets to see if they knew of any Foster homes for her. I phoned catteries but I was too ill to get her there. I called cats protection and the rspca to see if they could help me get her to a cattery. No joy.
The point is, it's not that easy.

It's never going to be easy. Animal shelters would obviously be the first to take her, but honestly it's very understandable to be distrusting of them. Regardless, I'd encourage you to continue pursuing a method in which your cat can survive and be comfortable. It's hard holding on, but this is a situation in which you are forced to persist for just a bit. Stay strong soldier, I wish you and you kitty the best

 

[Dot]

From what I've read dehydration for people (called VSED) is a mostly peaceful, painless process. the only reason I mentioned not feeding them is because food contains liquid which will prolong the process. And 2 weeks max without water is for humans, for a much smaller animal i'm sure it will take much less time. Like I said it's a last resort if you can't find any friends/family members/shelters to take them in. Would you rather your pet live the rest of their lives on the street with no family eating scraps every few weeks or a quick and painless method of CTB? I'm just trying to offer solutions.

VSED = usd fr ppl wh/ r alrdy termnlly ill -- d-hydratn fr othrwse hlthy ppl cn caus mny traumatc symptms

 

[Holu]

From what I've read dehydration for people (called VSED) is a mostly peaceful, painless process. the only reason I mentioned not feeding them is because food contains liquid which will prolong the process. And 2 weeks max without water is for humans, for a much smaller animal i'm sure it will take much less time. Like I said it's a last resort if you can't find any friends/family members/shelters to take them in. Would you rather your pet live the rest of their lives on the street with no family eating scraps every few weeks or a quick and painless method of CTB? I'm just trying to offer solutions.

It seems like you are genuinely looking for the best solution but regardless you must understand how absurdly shocking your statement is.

Furthermore, if you're going to encourage a method, please for the love of god provide sources and information which can back up your claim. If you aren't 99% sure it's painless then please put HEAVY emphasis on your claim. You don't want to accidentally cause extreme suffering for the poor baby.

Furthermore, human dying willingly of dehydration vs an animal who doesn't understand and is unable to suppress their own SI seems different to me.

 

[headcase95]

It seems like you are genuinely looking for the best solution but regardless you must understand how absurdly shocking your statement is.

Furthermore, if you're going to encourage a method, please for the love of god provide sources and information which can back up your claim. If you aren't 99% sure it's painless then please put HEAVY emphasis on your claim. You don't want to accidentally cause extreme suffering for the poor baby.

Furthermore, human dying willingly of dehydration vs an animal who doesn't understand and is unable to suppress their own SI seems different to me.

I have 3 cats of my own and I care deeply about them

 

[TowerRoad]

Let the cat free before you do it. The cat would be better wandering around hunting mice and drinking from anywhere the cat can. The cat has nothing to do with your painful decision. He is a living creature too. Sending you hope from here.

 

[Holu]

It is both selfish and egoistic to take another life because you do not like the idea of them living without you.

I think ur missing the point of what I said. Name calling even for the sake of a "reality check" is basically worthless. You're just further isolating the individual. It doesn't help.

Ultimately I can't stop you from further continuing this behavior just trying to give another perspective. After all if telling a depressed person that their "being selfish" and that it's "not that bad" and they should "be stronger" worked we wouldn't have problems lmao.

 

[Disaster]

Regardless of your opinion this is not the right way of expressing it. Indirectly referring to the OP as selfish and egoistic is not going to help them lmao.

Believe it or not, I'm not a cat. That being said, I don't find it unreasonable that OP or anyone for that matter might possibly be attempting to empathize with the cat following their passing. Personally, I could imagine the cat feeling confused, alone, and heartbroken to have lost their bonded caretaker. Couple this with the fact that the next caretakers might not be as kind, or the possibility that kind makes the decision understandable. That being said, again, I'm not a cat. For all I know the cat might not give two shits, although as someone with a cat myself I find that unlikely.

Well, a child would also feel shitty about losing a parent, yet no one suggests here methods of killing a child. Or at least I hope no one does. Including starving to death, WTF

 

[LastOrder]

'Taking them with you' is a mistake and its not fair towards your animals, they dont feel the way you do and it is murder. If you want to you should rehome them before you go so you can decide who they can be with. I also have pets and i live with a partner, but i will be leaving a very detailed guide on how to care for them and enough money to make sure they get the best of life for what its worth. Please dont kill your animals

 

[headcase95]

I have 3 cats of my own and I care deeply about them

just google VSED and it says most people don't experience much thrist if at all while doing VSED, they just feel weak and remain bedbound

 

[Holu]

Well, a child would also feel shitty about losing a parent, yet no one suggests here methods of killing a child. Or at least I hope no one does. Including starving to death, WTF

First to make it clear, I completely agree that the cat should remain unharmed and allowed to live. I'm simply attempting to try and empathize with OP. We should absolutely offer and assist OP in making the best decision but to do so from just an opposing perspective is unlikely to help. For obvious reasons OP cares about their cat. They are also obviously distressed with the idea of leaving their cat in a world without them. The goal is to make them understand that there are options for the cat to remain comfortably.

Ultimately, no amount of nudging or shaming can guarantee the OPs mind changes, which is why it's necessary to at least guide from their perspective to act in the safest, most gentle manor. Sadly, some decisions were made long before a cry for help.

just google VSED and it says most people don't experience much thrist if at all while doing VSED, they just feel weak and remain bedbound

Sources pleassssss

 

[Fl4u]

I think ur missing the point of what I said. Name calling even for the sake of a "reality check" is basically worthless. You're just further isolating the individual. It doesn't help.

Ultimately I can't stop you from further continuing this behavior just trying to give another perspective. After all if telling a depressed person that their "being selfish" and that it's "not that bad" and they should "be stronger" worked we wouldn't have problems lmao.

This is not "name calling", it's a mere description of their behaviour that might help them see things from a different perspective, together with my various other posts in this thread. I would not care at all if it was whatever, but OP is considering taking other's lifes. I have not said any of the latter, and again, this is no longer about OP, it's about other lifes.

 

[headcase95]

First to make it clear, I completely agree that the cat should remain unharmed and allowed to live. I'm simply attempting to try and empathize with OP. We should absolutely offer and assist OP in making the best decision but to do so from just an opposing perspective is unlikely to help. For obvious reasons OP cares about their cat. They are also obviously distressed with the idea of leaving their cat in a world without them. The goal is to make them understand that there are options for the cat to remain comfortably.

Sources pleassssss

You can do your own Googling. I've done mine.

 

[Holu]

You can do your own Googling. I've done mine.

Dawg… your advice is to literally dehydrate a pet. The first thing I did was google and a brief view of the first results only disagree with you. If your incapable of providing a source maybe it's best to not offer advice which can be immeasurably damaging to the wellbeing of an animal.

This is not "name calling", it's a mere description of their behaviour that might help them see things from a different perspective, together with my various other posts in this thread. I would not care at all if it was whatever, but OP is considering taking other's lifes. I have not said any of the latter, and again, this is no longer about OP, it's about other lifes.

Regardless of intent, you should absolutely understand how it can be taken as name calling. Furthermore, judging by OPs response here..

This is a bit harsh. I am not able bodied. I weigh 22kgs and rarely leave the house. I collapse when taking the rubbish out and have to be helped by strangers on to my feet. I know noone in the area. I dont even know the area as I rented without seeing it and haven't left since I moved.

It is not selfish. Selfish would be not considering her and leaving her to starve. Egotistical? I don't see how. I'm not saying she can't live without me. Of course she can. But what will her quality of life be?

I think on forums such as this where people are expressing their worries and their thoughts and are traumatised, you shouldn't judge without knowing someone's circumstances.

…I think it's fair to say that it was interpreted as an attack on the OPs character. I'm simply attempting to convey to you that this behavior only isolates the OP and puts them on the defensive, which makes them far less likely to agree with your point.

Also, I disagree completely that this isn't about OP. OP is the only person you can stop from committing an action. The focus is to help OP by providing an alternative, not bashing their idea

 

[headcase95]

Dawg… your advice is to literally dehydrate a pet. The first thing I did was google and a brief view of the first results only disagree with you. If your incapable of providing a source maybe it's best to not offer advice which can be immeasurably damaging to the wellbeing of an animal.

Regardless of intent, you should absolutely understand how it can be taken as name calling. Furthermore, judging by OPs response here..

…I think it's fair to say that it was interpreted as an attack on the OPs character. I'm simply attempting to convey to you that this behavior only isolates the OP and puts them on the defensive, which makes them far less likely to agree with your point.

where are your sources about the effects of animal dehydration? And how am I "name calling"? I'm tring to help releve as much aind and suffering as possible

 

[Fl4u]

Dawg… your advice is to literally dehydrate a pet. The first thing I did was google and a brief view of the first results only disagree with you. If your incapable of providing a source maybe it's best to not offer advice which can be immeasurably damaging to the wellbeing of an animal.

Regardless of intent, you should absolutely understand how it can be taken as name calling. Furthermore, judging by OPs response here..

…I think it's fair to say that it was interpreted as an attack on the OPs character. I'm simply attempting to convey to you that this behavior only isolates the OP and puts them on the defensive, which makes them far less likely to agree with your point.

See my other posts then... there are quite a few.

 

[Aisley]

Goddamn it. That commenter has three cats. This is why everyone else just passed by their comment, because they didn't want information like this. So bummed out now.

When I had 9 strays, I phoned the rspca to help me find their owners as one was very aggressive. Their advice was don't feed them. I was shocked and horrified. I get the logic - they'll stop coming around but I could never do that. Its just unthinkable.

I have one stray that comes in for food now but he is very sick. You can hear him wheezing and sniffling up the path. He is so congested. If I move he goes so I can't catch him. I'm not strong enough anyway. I think its cats flu. I roast chicken and he eats my cats food and demolishes the chicken.

Poor baby. I bet if a vet could get some antibiotics into him, he'd be right as rain. I've lured many a feral stray in by mimicking their own meows back at them. Hillarious how well it works; they turn right around mid flight, stick their tail up and yell some more. Idk what's going on in their heads during such an exchange, but whatever. And I'm not trying to give you work. There will always be sick cats out there. And I know you've done plenty.

 

[Holu]

See my other posts then... there are quite a few.

I read through everything, and notably didn't respond to those posts since they didn't bear any problem. Again, whether intentionally or unintentionally you name called. I'm just saying it doesn't help

 

[Fl4u]

I read through everything, and notably didn't respond to those posts since they didn't bear any problem. Again, whether intentionally or unintentionally you name called. I'm just saying it doesn't help

Well, let's agree to disagree then.

 

[Aisley]

where are your sources about the effects of animal dehydration?

Do it yourself, then. Go two weeks without water. Your head pounds, your lips crack, it hurts to breathe or swallow. Fuckin do it yourself. Christ, it would be better to hit your cats with a fucking shovel than to STARVE THEM TO DEATH FOR TWO GODDAMN WEEKS. Jesus. I mean, I do know where you were coming from, trying to help and all, but it was just such a stupid comment.

 

[Holu]

Well, let's agree to disagree then.

Always happy to agree to disagree! As previously mentioned I'm simply just offering my perspective that reality checking is an ineffective method of guiding someone. Even if it sounds like I'm trying to police you, I have no power or control over you. Hope your day goes well.

 

[HyenaRadio]

I totally understand this. Before my lizard passed away and I was actively planning out my ctb attempt I really wanted him buried with me. He was my everything. Then when he died unexpectedly from illness I fully intend on joining him.

 

[RichardFirst]

This is a sensitive topic, but I do see the OP's point. I have a dog, and if my passing meant that he would be homeless, then I would make sure that he was euthanised. As it happens, it's not a problem as my mom loves him and have the ability care for him, but I think it's a responsible decision by a person who wishes to CTB to ensure that their pet is not left with noone to care for it.

 

[Holu]

where are your sources about the effects of animal dehydration? And how am I "name calling"? I'm tring to help releve as much aind and suffering as possible

An initial google source will immediately come up with this

https://exceptionalpets.com/exceptional-pets-news/why-is-pet-dehydration-dangerous/#:~:text=Maintaining proper hydration is extremely,Dehydration can be Life-threatening.

However if you want to see why there isn't a ton of dehydration experiments amongst mice let alone larger animals look here

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3690443/

Also I wasn't calling u the name caller, I was referring to the other individual

 

[headcase95]

Do it yourself, then. Go two weeks without water. Your head pounds, your lips crack, it hurts to breathe or swallow. Fuckin do it yourself. Christ, it would be better to hit your cats with a fucking shovel than to STARVE THEM TO DEATH FOR TWO GODDAMN WEEKS. Jesus. I mean, I do know where you were coming from, trying to help and all, but it was just such a stupid comment.

Quit misrepresnting my words. I didn't say starve, i said dehydrate. starvation takes months. dehydration takes at most 2 weeks fora human.for a much smaller animal i'm sure it takes even less than that. And from what I've read it's relatively peaceful. Like I said it's a last resort compared to letting them live the rest of ther lives on the street wth no family barely eating at all. Read my entire comments carefully before misrepresneting them.

 

[Holu]

Quit misrepresnting my words. I didn't say starve, i said dehydrate. starvation takes months. dehydration takes at most 2 weeks fora human.for a much smaller animal i'm sure it takes even less than that. And from what I've read it's relatively peaceful. Like I said it's a last resort compared to letting them live the rest of ther lives on the street wth no family barely eating at all. Read my entire comments carefully before misrepresneting them.

I also read on the internet that if you jump 2000 times consecutively you grow wings!

Source: Trust me bro

I totally understand this. Before my lizard passed away and I was actively planning out my ctb attempt I really wanted him buried with me. He was my everything. Then when he died unexpectedly from illness I fully intend on joining him.

Nooooo lizzardddd. I'm sorry for your loss, even if you were intending to take him with you.

If it's not too much and you feel comfortable doing so, would you send a picture of him. I quite like lizards.

 

[OceanBlue]

If you don't have where to leave them and can find a pain free, peaceful method, then it could be what's best for them.

You really can't predict how much they will suffer without you.

 

[Kundalini Guy]

No. People everywhere love cats and am sure someone will love and care for your cat if you were to CTB.