Method Swallowing 200 pills of 100mg phenobarbital - antiemetic needed?

[Blackroom_57]

Do I need an antiemetic alongside the pills or do phenobarbital pills not induce vomiting just like how you can take an insane amount of Xanax and not vomit.

 

[Shadowlord900]

Any kind of oral overdose you take it's always best take an antiemetic just to be on the safe side. At least 2 different things can induce vomiting:

1) The taste is so bad (all meds taste bad), it'll set your gag reflexes off making you want to vomit. Also worth mentioning if you plan on mixing with grapefruit juice, from my personal experience, grapefruit juice just on its own tastes bad like liquefied tablets. (And by on its own I mean before even adding any crushed tablets to it.)
2) Some things you can get away with eating/drinking tons of and only feel nausea at worst, but other things (like most medication), if you take too much of, the body will eventually see it as poisonous and one of its first instincts will be to vomit out whatever it can to prevent the substance from causing any further damage to your body.

I should also warn you that even if you fall unconscious before vomiting, you still risk vomiting even while unconscious and 1 of 3 things can happen:

1) You choke on your own vomit and hopefully die while still unconscious, best case of a worst case scenario
2) You manage to vomit enough out that you aren't left with any permanent damage should you wake back up
3) Worst of the worst case scenario, you don't vomit enough out that you're still left with too much in your system to cause permanent damages to your body, but not enough to make you CTB

There's backup and evacuation plans you can do while still conscious just in case if you vomit. In the case of SN, people can drink multiple glasses and successfully CTB that way. (I've never heard of anyone doing this with drug cocktails though so I dunno if that would work.) Or you can evacuate the plan by having the appropriate antidote on hand while you call for emergencies.

It's worth mentioning barbiturates have no true antidote so you do not want to vomit on an extreme barbiturate overdose! But Activated Charcoal Powder can help with multiple different kinds of drug and poison overdoses (the only ones it can't help with is whatever is acidic or alcohol) by binding with what's left of the drug in your stomach and intestines, thus preventing your body from absorbing it since your body won't absorb any of the ACP as it just all passes out through your body. Even then, there's still a chance you may have already absorbed enough of the drug/poison to receive permanent damages.

You want to be very careful when swallowing ACP and make sure it don't go down the wrong pipe... Because if it does, getting ACP in your lungs can be fatal if immediate medical treatment is not provided (such as while you're waiting for emergencies to arrive), but it will not be a pleasant CTB.

 

[Blackroom_57]

Any kind of oral overdose you take it's always best take an antiemetic just to be on the safe side. At least 2 different things can induce vomiting:

1) The taste is so bad (all meds taste bad), it'll set your gag reflexes off making you want to vomit. Also worth mentioning if you plan on mixing with grapefruit juice, from my personal experience, grapefruit juice just on its own tastes bad like liquefied tablets. (And by on its own I mean before even adding any crushed tablets to it.)
2) Some things you can get away with eating/drinking tons of and only feel nausea at worst, but other things (like most medication), if you take too much of, the body will eventually see it as poisonous and one of its first instincts will be to vomit out whatever it can to prevent the substance from causing any further damage to your body.

I should also warn you that even if you fall unconscious before vomiting, you still risk vomiting even while unconscious and 1 of 3 things can happen:

1) You choke on your own vomit and hopefully die while still unconscious, best case of a worst case scenario
2) You manage to vomit enough out that you aren't left with any permanent damage should you wake back up
3) Worst of the worst case scenario, you don't vomit enough out that you're still left with too much in your system to cause permanent damages to your body, but not enough to make you CTB

There's backup and evacuation plans you can do while still conscious just in case if you vomit. In the case of SN, people can drink multiple glasses and successfully CTB that way. (I've never heard of anyone doing this with drug cocktails though so I dunno if that would work.) Or you can evacuate the plan by having the appropriate antidote on hand while you call for emergencies.

It's worth mentioning barbiturates have no true antidote so you do not want to vomit on an extreme barbiturate overdose! But Activated Charcoal Powder can help with multiple different kinds of drug and poison overdoses (the only ones it can't help with is whatever is acidic or alcohol) by binding with what's left of the drug in your stomach and intestines, thus preventing your body from absorbing it since your body won't absorb any of the ACP as it just all passes out through your body. Even then, there's still a chance you may have already absorbed enough of the drug/poison to receive permanent damages.

You want to be very careful when swallowing ACP and make sure it don't go down the wrong pipe... Because if it does, getting ACP in your lungs can be fatal if immediate medical treatment is not provided (such as while you're waiting for emergencies to arrive), but it will not be a pleasant CTB.

I was actually planning on not crushing up the pills and instead just swallowing all of them whole. I think they're small enough so that I can get 200 down in a short period of time. I'll just need a lot of water. I also plan on putting a garbage bag around my head and closing it around my neck with a drawstring so that I die faster. Also will have headphones on so I can chill until I pass out.

 

[Shadowlord900]

I was actually planning on not crushing up the pills and instead just swallowing all of them whole. I think they're small enough so that I can get 200 down in a short period of time. I'll just need a lot of water. I also plan on putting a garbage bag around my head and closing it around my neck with a drawstring so that I die faster. Also will have headphones on so I can chill until I pass out.

Have you tried swallowing 200 tablets at once? It's not as easy as you think it is. Also good idea on the garbage bag, I know that's what Heaven's Gate did. But rather than holding onto drawstring it might be better to go with an elastic band, and just hold it open with your thumb so when you go unconscious, your thumb slips out and the elastic closes around your neck with the bag attached.

 

[Sparx]

I would advise crushing the tablets if you can. Swallowing 200 whole tablets can form pharmacobezoars in the stomach which don't dissolve fully and you might only get a sub-lethal dose.

 

[Blackroom_57]

Have you tried swallowing 200 tablets at once? It's not as easy as you think it is. Also good idea on the garbage bag, I know that's what Heaven's Gate did. But rather than holding onto drawstring it might be better to go with an elastic band, and just hold it open with your thumb so when you go unconscious, your thumb slips out and the elastic closes around your neck with the bag attached.

Elastic band is a good idea thanks. I guess I'll find out whether or not I can swallow 200 pills when I get my package. I hope they're small enough so that I can do so.

I would advise crushing the tablets if you can. Swallowing 200 whole tablets can form pharmacobezoars in the stomach which don't dissolve fully and you might only get a sub-lethal dose.

What are pharmacobezoars?

 

[Sparx]

A bezoar is a ball of swallowed undigested foreign material. It collects in the stomach and fails to pass through the intestines.

A pharmacobezoar is a bezoar composed of undigested medications e.g. capsule casings and tablets.

 

[Blackroom_57]

A bezoar is a ball of swallowed undigested foreign material. It collects in the stomach and fails to pass through the intestines.

A pharmacobezoar is a bezoar composed of undigested medications e.g. capsule casings and tablets.

How do these things interfere with the absorption of the phenobarbital?

 

[intr0verse]

How do these things interfere with the absorption of the phenobarbital?

Because they are, in part the phenobarbital you ingested.

"The coroner said Mr. Hoffman had died of ''a massive overdose of the drug phenobarbital,'' combined with alcohol. 'Died in His Sleep'

''I think it is likely that he literally fell asleep and died in his sleep,'' Mr. Rosko said. ''Other than that, what occurred in his last hours is strictly speculation.''

But a brother, Jack Hoffman, said he believed Mr. Hoffman had not stopped fighting and had not committed suicide.

''Abbie, as many of you know, was somewhat careless with pills, and we always warned him about this kind of thing,'' the brother said, according to The Associated Press.

The coroner, though, reported finding the residue of about 150 pills and alcohol in Mr. Hoffman's system."

Abbie Hoffman Committed Suicide Using Barbiturates, Autopsy Shows - New York Times

 

[Sparx]

How do these things interfere with the absorption of the phenobarbital?

They would be made of the pheno tablets so you might not beable to absorb them quickly enough to ctb. Someone took a massive dose of propranolol and was saved by this scenario happening.

 

[Blackroom_57]

They would be made of the pheno tablets so you might not beable to absorb them quickly enough to ctb. Someone took a massive dose of propranolol and was saved by this scenario happening.

Is there a thread on this site about that person who survived the propranolol?

Because they are, in part the phenobarbital you ingested.

"The coroner said Mr. Hoffman had died of ''a massive overdose of the drug phenobarbital,'' combined with alcohol. 'Died in His Sleep'

''I think it is likely that he literally fell asleep and died in his sleep,'' Mr. Rosko said. ''Other than that, what occurred in his last hours is strictly speculation.''

But a brother, Jack Hoffman, said he believed Mr. Hoffman had not stopped fighting and had not committed suicide.

''Abbie, as many of you know, was somewhat careless with pills, and we always warned him about this kind of thing,'' the brother said, according to The Associated Press.

The coroner, though, reported finding the residue of about 150 pills and alcohol in Mr. Hoffman's system."

Abbie Hoffman Committed Suicide Using Barbiturates, Autopsy Shows - New York Times

Okay so basically it's going to work still based on that article.

 

[Shadowlord900]

Okay so basically it's going to work still based on that article.

Just because someone still succeeded CTBing despite having pharmacobezoars inside of them, doesn't mean you will as well. After all, we don't know how many grams he took total or how many units of alcohol he drank. (The first page of the article doesn't mention any of those, and the 2nd page hasn't been backed up by Wayback.) All we know is that he took 150 pills of an unknown quantity of Pheno in each, and in terms of general health, he was 52 and had Bipolar Disorder.

Seriously do not skimp out on any precautions. Take the time to crush the tablets to give yourself the best chance at success.

 

[Sparx]

Is there a thread on this site about that person who survived the propranolol?

Preparing to catch my bus guys by sn. Going later to get some items

Hay peeps.... I'm a 33 year old female from South Africa Cape Town. Lets get to my point. I was gonna ctb by hanging as I've already went to the forest and tried it but like I said to get partial hanging right you got to have that noose or knot on the correct place to passout within...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[Blackroom_57]

Just because someone still succeeded CTBing despite having pharmacobezoars inside of them, doesn't mean you will as well. After all, we don't know how many grams he took total or how many units of alcohol he drank. (The first page of the article doesn't mention any of those, and the 2nd page hasn't been backed up by Wayback.) All we know is that he took 150 pills of an unknown quantity of Pheno in each, and in terms of general health, he was 52 and had Bipolar Disorder.

Seriously do not skimp out on any precautions. Take the time to crush the tablets to give yourself the best chance at success.

Ugh but it's going to taste so awful.

Just because someone still succeeded CTBing despite having pharmacobezoars inside of them, doesn't mean you will as well. After all, we don't know how many grams he took total or how many units of alcohol he drank. (The first page of the article doesn't mention any of those, and the 2nd page hasn't been backed up by Wayback.) All we know is that he took 150 pills of an unknown quantity of Pheno in each, and in terms of general health, he was 52 and had Bipolar Disorder.

Seriously do not skimp out on any precautions. Take the time to crush the tablets to give yourself the best chance at success.

Okay so from what I've read, the pharmacobezoar problem pops up with sustained release pills…which these phenobarbital pills aren't. So I should probably be fine.

 

[Shadowlord900]

Ugh but it's going to taste so awful.

Each individual tablet on their own may not taste bad to begin it, but eventually the bad taste will all start to add up. At least with them crushed into powder, you can get it all down your mouth quicker.

The taste is one of the reasons why people recommend an antiemetic, so that if you start gagging from the bad taste, the gag reflexes can't trigger your stomach to up-heave its contents. (The way this goes about it depends on the type of antiemetic you take.)

 

[Sparx]

Ugh but it's going to taste so awful.

Okay so from what I've read, the pharmacobezoar problem pops up with sustained release pills…which these phenobarbital pills aren't. So I should probably be fine.

It's up to you but I wouldn't risk it. You can buy a mortar and pestle for under £10 on eBay.

 

[Blackroom_57]

It's up to you but I wouldn't risk it. You can buy a mortar and pestle for under £10 on eBay.

Will it hurt if I get a pharmacobezoar?

 

[Sparx]

Will it hurt if I get a pharmacobezoar?

I don't think it would be painful but it could cause your attempt to fail.

 

[nonialabaster]

Do I need an antiemetic alongside the pills or do phenobarbital pills not induce vomiting just like how you can take an insane amount of Xanax and not vomit.

Just a little back story. This might help you.
Marion Winik is an Austin, Tx-based writer who helped her husband CTB in 1994. He had advanced AIDS and couldn't tolerate any more treatment for it. He had a wonderful doctor who was willing to help him pass peacefully. Marion agreed to assist him. The doctor procured 60 Nembutal capsules and instructed Marion to dump them into his favorite yogurt, to lessen the chance of vomiting.
She followed the instructions, adding sugar and a lot of jam to help mask the bitterness. Tony (her husband) ate it quickly and didn't vomit or even exhibit any pain. They walked around Marion's backyard for a bit, Tony drank a glass of wine then went into the bedroom to lie down. He passed within an hour, very peacefully.
The doctor felt that a little food, something easy on the stomach of an already gravely ill person, would keep the meds down without inhibiting their absorbtion.
You might consider something similar. Just throwing that out there. Have a safe and peaceful journey, whatever you decide.

 

[Shadowlord900]

If going for Mortar & Pestle. I think a granite one might be best? I definitely advised against going for a stainless steel one, I've heard warnings from a few reviews that whatever they crushed in the bowl got covered in the steel coating.

I'm also gonna experiment with one of these on some food supplement tablets to see how they work out:

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0BC1YMMSY

 

[nonialabaster]

If going for Mortar & Pestle. I think a granite one might be best? I definitely advised against going for a stainless steel one, I've heard warnings from a few reviews that whatever they crushed in the bowl got covered in the steel coating.

I'm also gonna experiment with one of these on some food supplement tablets to see how they work out:

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0BC1YMMSY

Late to the party, but, about crushing pills? When my late husband was in hospice care, in our home, one morning, he couldn't swallow anymore. I called the nurse, who came over within 20 minutes. I'm a cook and have plenty of stainless-steel bowls handy. I grabbed one, with a spoon, broke up his Methadone and Ativan, with some water. Pulled it into the mouth syringe. It worked fine. He'd stopped talking, at that point. I'd been giving him his liquid Morphine, sub-lingually, whenever. The Methadone and Ativan slurry helped him. He died peacefully.
All this to say, stainless-steel isn't necessarily a bad thing. Glass bowls and a Pestle (a good pottery one, if you have it) might be more to your taste. But, you make do with what you have. As long as it's clean. You don't want adulterants messing this up.

 

[Shadowlord900]

Late to the party, but, about crushing pills? When my late husband was in hospice care, in our home, one morning, he couldn't swallow anymore. I called the nurse, who came over within 20 minutes. I'm a cook and have plenty of stainless-steel bowls handy. I grabbed one, with a spoon, broke up his Methadone and Ativan, with some water. Pulled it into the mouth syringe. It worked fine. He'd stopped talking, at that point. I'd been giving him his liquid Morphine, sub-lingually, whenever. The Methadone and Ativan slurry helped him. He died peacefully.
All this to say, stainless-steel isn't necessarily a bad thing. Glass bowls and a Pestle (a good pottery one, if you have it) might be more to your taste. But, you make do with what you have. As long as it's clean. You don't want adulterants messing this up.

Would be interested to know if the bowls you used (don't worry if you can't remember) were manufactured in China. Seems to me like whenever there's a problematic item, it's always down to being manufactured in China. (All the stainless steel mortar & pestles I checked all came from China.)

Then again I did bought a Micro SD Game card adapter for my Playstation Vita from China that had some negative reviews (because trying to find one not made in China was starting to become impossible), usually complaining about their Micro SDs getting stuck in the adapter card and getting the pins destroyed when pulled out. I bought 2 adapters just in case 1 of them had a deficiency, none of them had any issues.

So I guess it could just be a luck of the draw kind of deal?

 

[Blackroom_57]

Does this help https://pinoydeal.ph/services/health-beauty-and-fitness/nembutal-powder-pills-liquid_i109436

Is this legit?

 

[nonialabaster]

Would be interested to know if the bowls you used (don't worry if you can't remember) were manufactured in China. Seems to me like whenever there's a problematic item, it's always down to being manufactured in China. (All the stainless steel mortar & pestles I checked all came from China.)

Then again I did bought a Micro SD Game card adapter for my Playstation Vita from China that had some negative reviews (because trying to find one not made in China was starting to become impossible), usually complaining about their Micro SDs getting stuck in the adapter card and getting the pins destroyed when pulled out. I bought 2 adapters just in case 1 of them had a deficiency, none of them had any issues.

So I guess it could just be a luck of the draw kind of deal?

These bowls are All-Clad. Not made in China. My utensils are decades-old. Also not made in China. Nothing against Chinese folks; they just have a different approach to food safety. I'm a bit of a prig about such things. "Work clean!" as the late Tony Bourdain always said.

 

[qwerty1969]

Is this legit?

I am not sure - what are your thoughts? I thought it was hard to get.

 

[nonialabaster]

Would be interested to know if the bowls you used (don't worry if you can't remember) were manufactured in China. Seems to me like whenever there's a problematic item, it's always down to being manufactured in China. (All the stainless steel mortar & pestles I checked all came from China.)

Then again I did bought a Micro SD Game card adapter for my Playstation Vita from China that had some negative reviews (because trying to find one not made in China was starting to become impossible), usually complaining about their Micro SDs getting stuck in the adapter card and getting the pins destroyed when pulled out. I bought 2 adapters just in case 1 of them had a deficiency, none of them had any issues.

So I guess it could just be a luck of the draw kind of deal?

Pretty much. I don't know if you live in the US, but most of our products come from China. That's why we can never start a war with them! LOL. But, I'm picky about my foodstuffs. One of the last things Mark said to me, before I brought him home. I'd been in the hospital with him, two days straight. He wouldn't eat anything, and I asked him why. He looked at me and said, "It's not yours!"

 

[Blackroom_57]

I am not sure - what are your thoughts? I thought it was hard to get.

Yeah this looks pretty sketchy.

 

[Shadowlord900]

These bowls are All-Clad. Not made in China. My utensils are decades-old. Also not made in China. Nothing against Chinese folks; they just have a different approach to food safety. I'm a bit of a prig about such things. "Work clean!" as the late Tony Bourdain always said.

Nice. Too bad All-Clad don't deliver outside of the US though. X___x (I'm in the UK)

Does this help *removed link*

I'd much sooner gamble with a dark net source than any source that can be found on the clear net.

 

[RichardFirst]

I'm looking at getting some of the drugs for this at the moment. 200 seems to be the magic number, but why not 300? How much volume does 200 of these pills take up?

 

[Shadowlord900]

I'm looking at getting some of the drugs for this at the moment. 200 seems to be the magic number, but why not 300? How much volume does 200 of these pills take up?

Actually @Sunset Limited also advises 300 (or 30g) would be better go with than 20g, so if you really want to make sure it'll definitely work, go with 30g.

The only reason I tend to say go for 17-20g is because I've read a post here before (https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/phenobarbital.88594/#post-1619873) that says lethal recovery is possible up to 16g. To be honest because of my coeliac disease, if I didn't also plan on getting some isotonitazene (and it's gonna be a lot too, like 10gs of a drug that's said to be slightly more potent than fentanyl, I'll be surprised if that don't do me in despite my various digestive problems) I would have gone for another 10g of Pheno too.

Sadly I can't say how much volume 200 pills would be even in crushed form. But I strongly recommend crushing them, you don't want to get pharmacobears.