Method Phenobarbital

[lostmylove]

Now There is going to be a shortage of Pentobarbital, how viable an alternative is Phenobarbital.

Phenobarbital is easier to obtain and can get any quantity if have enough money. Is there any research and advise about phenobarbital and how viable an alternative is it to Nembutal death.

Would I be better off with oxy or heroin instead.

 

[freelifexit]

Pentobarbital is short acting barbiturate, phenobarbital is long acting so the process of dying could take 3 days. Where it could be bought?

Overdosing opiates could cause organs damage and make you vegetable for rest of your life, death is not guaranteed. Be careful with opiates.

 

[lostmylove]

Pentobarbital is short acting barbiturate, phenobarbital is long acting so the process of dying could take 3 days. Where it could be bought?

Overdosing opiates could cause organs damage and make you vegetable for rest of your life, death is not guaranteed. Be careful with opiates.

This is unbelievable I was 4 weeks out from buying N. What a fucking joke

 

[Sunset Limited]

Actually I am curious about thiopental. No data on intramuscular administration. However, I believe that intramuscular administration of 5 grams of thiopental will provide a peaceful CTB. Thiopental is sold in vials containing 1 gram powder. In my country the price is 2 dollars. It is possible to dissolve 5 grams of it with 10 cc of water and inject IM. It can be combined with opiates. It is known that opiates significantly increase the incidence of apnea initiated by GABA A receptor agonists and prolong the duration of apnea. Along with H,F or morphine, I think it does the job. I don't know if D has access to thiopental. Thiopental is still produced in the country I live in. But I can't buy it as it is not OTC. I guess it is still used in third world countries.

 

[speck]

I believe this is a viable option but maybe not as quick and nice as N. There are a few older threads that talk about Phen as a method and it seems to have two known drawbacks:
-speed; it can take up to "3 days" according to users
-volume: ten g are necessary and phen is capsules containing very little powder. I think I saw one post saying that it was around 2k capsules to get the ten g necessary

The most well known case of phen is he**ens g4te. But they may have died from hypoxia rather than the phen itself.
Here's a link to a post talking about it.
Post in thread 'Is there any way to quicken the action of Phenobarbital [not to be confused with Pentobarbital (N)]?'

Honestly… old fashioned as hypoxia is. Maybe this is not such a bad method.

Basically yes and no- I've never seen a member use this method but I've also not seen anyone say it won't do the job (even if it does take three days)

I'm wondering about potential of other barbs as well.

 

[DPJ187]

I done some research on this myself. Personally I domt like the idea of hanging on for up to 3 days in a state of limbo. For me it's not an viable alternative. After falling the rabbit hole I found the one mentioned two posts above, that seems to be a better alternative. Just trying to save you the 5 hours unspent last night looking.

 

[speck]

I done some research on this myself. Personally I domt like the idea of hanging on for up to 3 days in a state of limbo. For me it's not an viable alternative. After falling the rabbit hole I found the one mentioned two posts above, that seems to be a better alternative. Just trying to save you the 5 hours unspent last night looking.

I've never seen anyone talking about thiopental before today, nor have I seen a dark market vendor offering it. Is there any availability or information?

 

[Sunset Limited]

I think there is potential for CTB in oral or intramuscular administration. But it is difficult to find information about it. It has been used for induction of anesthesia for many years. It is now used very rarely. The oral bioavailability of barbiturates is very high. I don't think anyone can drink 20 grams of thiopental and survive. Also it is possible with IM 5-10 grams. Of course, these are my hypothetical guesses. Best route is IV but it is difficult to manage.

For dogs LD50 thiopental 36 to 50 mg/kg IV.
For rats LD50 44 to 64 mg/kg IV - 117 mg/kg orally (Its oral bioavailability appears to be very high.)

Based on these data, thiopental is as deadly as N. There is not much difference between them.

 

[sunny/omori]

I believe this is a viable option but maybe not as quick and nice as N. There are a few older threads that talk about Phen as a method and it seems to have two known drawbacks:
-speed; it can take up to "3 days" according to users
-volume: ten g are necessary and phen is capsules containing very little powder. I think I saw one post saying that it was around 2k capsules to get the ten g necessary

The most well known case of phen is he**ens g4te. But they may have died from hypoxia rather than the phen itself.
Here's a link to a post talking about it.
Post in thread 'Is there any way to quicken the action of Phenobarbital [not to be confused with Pentobarbital (N)]?'

Honestly… old fashioned as hypoxia is. Maybe this is not such a bad method.

Basically yes and no- I've never seen a member use this method but I've also not seen anyone say it won't do the job (even if it does take three days)

I'm wondering about potential of other barbs as well.

The question is how much phenobarbital they took and why this is not even mentioned in PPH. If you use a inert gas bag you put it loose so there is the risk some air come in, but if you seal it tight you will wake up by co2 response. Both ways have some risks.

 

[speck]

I think there is potential for CTB in oral or intramuscular administration. But it is difficult to find information about it. It has been used for induction of anesthesia for many years. It is now used very rarely. The oral bioavailability of barbiturates is very high. I don't think anyone can drink 20 grams of thiopental and survive. Also it is possible with IM 5-10 grams. Of course, these are my hypothetical guesses. Best route is IV but it is difficult to manage.

For dogs LD50 thiopental 36 to 50 mg/kg IV.
For rats LD50 44 to 64 mg/kg IV - 117 mg/kg orally (Its oral bioavailability appears to be very high.)

Based on these data, thiopental is as deadly as N. There is not much difference between them.

But is it even sourceable for the common person?

 

[sunny/omori]

But is it even sourceable for the common person?

At least in my country they dont even sell thiopenthal or any other barbituric except for phenopharbital. You would have to steal it from a hospital. In that scenario better steal N from a vet.

 

[Sunset Limited]

But is it even sourceable for the common person?

No, but maybe D can sell. There is currently no N.

 

[UnravelingWinter]

No, but maybe D can sell. There is currently no N.

I just messaged D to inquire if he has any phenobarbital for sale. I'll let everyone know what he says.

 

[sunny/omori]

Are u sure it takes 3 days? Where that number came from?

 

[Sunset Limited]

I just messaged D to inquire if he has any phenobarbital for sale. I'll let everyone know what he says.

You can also ask him about thiopental. Thiopental is a better option than phenobarbital.

 

[speck]

Are u sure it takes 3 days? Where that number came from?

I'm not sure- it's the number I've seen quoted in every post. Maybe it came from og ppeh?

 

[woknows]

Suicides in physicians: two cases of poisoning involving fentanyl and phenobarbital - Minerva Psichiatrica 2017 June;58(2):103-9

Suicides in physicians: two cases of poisoning involving fentanyl and phenobarbital

www.minervamedica.it

 

[sunny/omori]

Suicides in physicians: two cases of poisoning involving fentanyl and phenobarbital - Minerva Psichiatrica 2017 June;58(2):103-9

Suicides in physicians: two cases of poisoning involving fentanyl and phenobarbital

www.minervamedica.it

"Oral absorption of phenobarbital is
complete but somewhat slow; peak concentrations in plasma occur several hours after a single dose."

"The estimated minimum lethal dose is 1.5 g, although recovery has occurred after ingestion of as much as 16 g".

Tintinalli says the lethal dose is 5 g.

Barbitúricos

Read chapter CAPÍTULO 176 of Tintinalli. Medicina de urgencias, 7e online now, exclusively on AccessMedicina. AccessMedicina is a subscription-based resource from McGraw Hill that features trusted medical content from the best minds in medicine.

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If "several hours" means less than 12 hours phenobarbital could be a good option for me. I could combine with exit bag because it lessen the risk of convulsion and kill me hours latter if something go wrong.

 

[UnravelingWinter]

D said that phenobarbital is out of stock and to message him again at the end of July.

 

[downndone2]

Suicides in physicians: two cases of poisoning involving fentanyl and phenobarbital - Minerva Psichiatrica 2017 June;58(2):103-9

Suicides in physicians: two cases of poisoning involving fentanyl and phenobarbital

www.minervamedica.it

I would do this, just finding fentanyl is hard and it is so regulated here

 

[sunny/omori]

Bump. Anyone knows how much time phenobarbital needs to kill?

 

[woknows]

No one can tell you that, it depends on the dose, the mode of administration if you mix it with alcohol, your body's genetics, and biochemistry,... I am pretty sure it does not take a very long time. Certainly not days like some fabricated. But you might wake up days later if found or the dose was too low.

 

[myopybyproxy]

why rely on phenobarbital alone? i'd use it to knock out directly before i jump or take a swim or kick the chair etc

method combination will the be hill i quite literally die upon

 

[sunny/omori]

why rely on phenobarbital alone? i'd use it to knock out directly before i jump or take a swim or kick the chair etc

method combination will the be hill i quite literally die upon

Because It takes time to act. If you take it and hung you will suffer. You could combined with other drugs (except amitriptyline) to accelerate it; but again if you choose for example chloroquine you could have a csrdiact arrest before pheno make you sound asleep. Better to combine with benzos, fasting and alcohol (and antiemetics for sure).

 

[Alex6216]

12 grams of chloroquine + 3 grams of phenobarbital will kill you within 2-5 hours at the very least

 

[sunny/omori]

12 grams of chloroquine + 3 grams of phenobarbital will kill you within 2-5 hours at the very least

Yes. Clororoquine seems pretty effective and doesnt need too much pills. They are very bitter though. As i said I not sure if pheno would be fast enought no make you sound sleep before chloroquine begin to act. Maybe just take in the chloroquine tablet intact, no-crushed, with a lethal dose of pheno, like 18 g? So i dont puke everthing out and make the cocktail more reliable

Edit: this is so complicted. Cocktails seems have too much pills difficult to get, long acting, not peqceful, costly, revolting tast and/or risk of vomiting and fuck everything up. SN seems not so bad versus cocktail. Maybe just go for a high doses of pheno and make sure no one is around 2 days (i am sure in most cases 12 hours would be enough).

 

[sunny/omori]

It turn out pheno indeed can take up to 3 days to kill according to Guide to Humane Self-Chosen Death.

Chloroquine drug cocktail is a best alternative. Consult that book. Thanks @Alex6216. I wouldnt use it with phento because it is absorbed too slow and you would suffer the initial side effects.

 

[sunny/omori]

Just in case someone is still looking this method, I will repost some things.

Heaven's Gates asphyxation method required of two people. One who ctb and other who put the bag. That is why a few members are still alive. They wanted this way so those left behind could spread the word.The exact time you will be in coma it is impossible to know to a given individual and maybe initially you wont be sedated enough to not wake up with a bag.

Regarding the lethal dose recovery it is possible up to 16 g (I assume with the proper medical reanimation), so dont use less than that. This dose is enough to kill without a bag but it can take up to 3 days.

Sources:

Suicides in physicians: two cases of poisoning involving fentanyl and phenobarbital - Minerva Psichiatrica 2017 June;58(2):103-9

Suicides in physicians: two cases of poisoning involving fentanyl and phenobarbital

www.minervamedica.it

Acute phenobarbital intoxication - PubMed

Phenobarbital is a long-acting barbiturate often prescribed for seizure disorders. It has a high abuse potential and was commonly used in suicide attempts in the past. Although benzodiazepines are now more frequently used in suicide attempts, barbiturate intoxications are still occasionally seen...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

why rely on phenobarbital alone? i'd use it to knock out directly before i jump or take a swim or kick the chair etc

method combination will the be hill i quite literally die upon

that's my plan - 10g pheno liquid + some oxy, rope attached, get drowzy, fall - no way im waiting hours

 

[beforeistoolate]

It turn out pheno indeed can take up to 3 days to kill according to Guide to Humane Self-Chosen Death.

Chloroquine drug cocktail is a best alternative. Consult that book. Thanks @Alex6216. I wouldnt use it with phento because it is absorbed too slow and you would suffer the initial side effects.

Hi, do you have the Guide to Humane Self Chosen Death pdf?