1. Carbon Monoxide ?
OP wrote "the hospital originally said carbon monoxide poisoning" . Incompetent medical staff? CO poisoning show no change in normal skin colour (sometimes pinkish) , SN shows distinct pale grey-blue skin , and cyanide distinct blue . Blood colour itself is also different . This should be EMS/Paramedics 101 ... These are good visible indicators (not requiring any lab test) .
That is no sign of CO poisoning. No way. A doctor saying that should be fired.
Now do you understand why this case raises so many questions ?
That is very common with CO poisoning . That does not happen with SNDo not confuse the two . Again this confusion of the two raises the alarm .
2. Medical Records
As said before there are medical records , available to patient . It's not about him "remembering every detail" or as suggested "know every medical term". No one asked that from OP . Let's not misrepresent things .
Hospital Discharge Summary should suffice . You get that when you are discharged . We don't really need "prove" or "toxicology report" , you know ? But
3. Attitude & Feedback
The questionable nature arose at the start , and a responsible member that raised such a unique case should have shown some cooperation . We asked if this was impulsive etc ("No") . This is contradictory : not impulsive yet so "not planned" . Do you understand these serious contradictions ?
The notion that you should request medical records "for other people" is disturbing -- person should be aware of what happened to them. You have failed ctb and you don't care? Parents ask "is this heroin" and that's it, moving on, nothing happened? This careless attitude is prominent. I'm sorry but OP showed general carelessness. And sadly got some in return .
He got plenty of support from many , and as I write this OP still receives much support , which is great . And , as you wrote , few criticized him. What do you expect? For a person to bang their head against the wall and all would chime "oh poor you, it's okay"? Some were alarmed, some were indeed too quick to reach a final conclusive verdict. (which is not ideal)
4. Conclusion
As shown above this is not "a community misbehaving".
- You are repeating yourself and ignoring previously provided information . That has happened several times . Your eagerness to "defend" or "protect" OP is clouding your judgment .
- I appreciate you are trying to provide support to OP and raise the flag about this community being too hostile/suspicious (which I agree) .
- Serious questions raised. Eating SN and going for a walk is careless. LD50 and 10g spoon were reported (OP "heard") yet this was "well-planned".
- There's no way around it -- many things here are still extremely out of the ordinary .
I am in no position to judge , but I hope I can present the facts clearly and fairly. As I first said -- this thread is confusing.
I meant that in any critical condition people aren't thinking clearly and can't remember very well what others speak and who speaks what. Most likely they tested many things from him even his symptoms weren't right for that situation and have spoken aloud about testing them. If he was in life support his brains had likely suffered from lack of air too.
Just the adrenalin etc. they give in hospital causes confusion too.
Where I live patient don't get any Discharge summary or written text from hospital when leaving, even if they ask for them. They have to fill a form in hospital and explain what info they want and why they need that medical care info. Then it is sent by mail to them with a bill 1-5 weeks later. Superior doctor has to give permission and sign it and there is usually just one in every hospital so it takes long often.
If the fact that he was found was reason for failing then what does he need medical info for anyways? It could be too painfull to read it also.
I would have told my parents it was some party drug too if I was in his situation. Doctors can't tell them anything or talk to him when they are present since he is an adult.
If he is sure he wants to leave this world then telling own parents would be big mistake. We don't know how much his parents have asked about it later.
Yes, I have strong symphaty for op in everything. He has no reason to lie. He told some info wrong and corrected it. The post was for mental support. I don't think it's right and nice to criticize him and tell he is lier. Offering support and friendly advice is different thing.
Planning and following the plan are different things.
Many have tried everything else, though for years of ctb, are sure of wanting to go and have planned for long time but in the end have courage to do it only when they are in certain strong emotional state in which they don't care or forget to follow the plan correctly. I bet most also get in strong emotional state from the act itself, stepping to unknown, fear of failure or pain etc.
Then it's not impulsive in sense it was well and long thought and what they wanted but could be seen as impulsive in a way it was executed.
Impulsive= doing things without consideration
Clearly it would be better to measure the sn with spoons at least. Leaving to bathroom was not smart but in his state of mind he though he could go there and back (obviously one can't think straight then).
I understand that leaving this world in own bed is what most wish, even booking to hotel etc. could be smarter. But some can't afford that.
I wish everything good for op and everyone. Like him I think that this discussion took the wrong turn. Twisting some words, criticizing and all mean things in support thread is not nice.
If I start thread where people can trash/criticize each others and debate who is right and who is wrong, then can we leave other threads clean from all that?
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