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[Quarky00]

My son was hospitalized 4 times and the first thing they did was take his phone and shoes (because of the strings). I've done several outpatient hospital programs, and we weren't allowed phones during the groups because of HIPAA. They said we might photograph other patients, and it was a privacy risk they could be sued for.

(that's why personal phones are given under nurse supervision for a limited time)

I did some research and can confirm that. It is strict. I searched several US health providers , hospitals , patients' testimonies , etc ... Random answer from internet sums it well:

In the US it appears to be a 'no' even on low level wards. Here in the UK, even in high security establishments I have never been forbidden to have my phone.

So now we know

Also if suspicion arises -- no phone even in regular ICU as patient may bolt etc. This is harsh.

I now totally understand @JSauter skepticism.. And a bit shocked it's a "total ban". Anyway, keep in mind that difference

 

[a.h]

SN doesn't have anything to do with getting a CO poisoning.

I am sure he meant carbon dioxide (CO2). Carbon dioxide is produced in your body all the time, and when you breathe, you exchale carbon dioxide. If you aren't exhaling CO2 build up then wouldn't it build up in body then for sure. He was put to breathing machine so he wasn't clearly exhaling the CO2 build up.

Carbon dioxide in our body is what controls your breathing. When carbon dioxide reaches a certain level, a signal is sent from the breathing center in your brain stem to the breathing muscles, which triggers an inhalation. Upon exhalation, we exhale carbon dioxide and a new breathing cycle starts.

The amount he ingested would have been enough if he wasn't found. Tablespoon is 15g.

It sounds painless since he got unconscious fast and would likely stayed in that state until he had died. Doctors told him he would have died under 1h.
Waking up in hospital after being unconscious is likely the effect of drugs (large amount of adrenaline and other drugs) and procedures done to him.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

I am sure he meant carbon dioxide (CO2). Carbon dioxide is produced in your body all the time, and when you breathe, you exchale carbon dioxide. If you aren't exhaling CO2 build up then wouldn't it build up in body then for sure. He was put to breathing machine so he wasn't clearly exhaling the CO2 build up.

Carbon dioxide in our body is what controls your breathing. When carbon dioxide reaches a certain level, a signal is sent from the breathing center in your brain stem to the breathing muscles, which triggers an inhalation. Upon exhalation, we exhale carbon dioxide and a new breathing cycle starts.

The amount he ingested would have been enough if he wasn't found. Tablespoon is 15g.

It sounds painless since he got unconscious fast and would likely stayed in that state until he had died. Doctors told him he would have died under 1h.
Waking up in hospital after being unconscious is likely the effect of drugs (large amount of adrenaline and other drugs) and procedures done to him.

Exactly I don't know why some people jump on him because he mixed up some medical terminology. Doesn't warrant calling him a liar.
.

Also, at least where I live, hospitals fuck up all the time. Just recently they killed a few people by mixing up medications. I can see them stressed, especially with the Corona virus right now and letting people off the hook quickly in such a case.

 

[k75]

(that's why personal phones are given under nurse supervision for a limited time)

I did some research and can confirm that. It is strict. I searched several US health providers , hospitals , patients' testimonies , etc ... Random answer from internet sums it well:


So now we know

Also if suspicion arises -- no phone even in regular ICU as patient may bolt etc. This is harsh.

I now totally understand @JSauter skepticism.. And a bit shocked it's a "total ban". Anyway, keep in mind that difference

They take it super seriously, too. For example, usually when you're sectioned, you get taken to the emergency room and held there until they find a hospital to take you. Your phone is confiscated, and you have a cop assigned to watch you at all times. However, if you are in that same emergency room for medical reasons, you can use your cell phone all you want. That's never made sense to me. Just calling it a psychiatric hold changes everything as far as your rights go.

 

[Quarky00]

Thanks for the info

However, if you are in that same emergency room for medical reasons, you can use your cell phone all you want.

That so weird (or dumb or evil). Mental patients need phone/family most..

 

[a.h]

I hate the hostility here. Someone attempted to take their own life and all you can do is doubt them. "Dumb" suicide attempts are a lot more common than you might think.

I am with you on this. Also how can anyone expect him to remember all medical terms right after being close to death and life support. Nobody would be in this site if we had to write professional articles and texts here and check everything few times. It would be mentally way too exhausting. Most in this site don't even speak English as their native language and most have no medical studies behind.

Many professional medical etc. sites confuse CO and CO2 in Internet. If anyone reads all of their own medical history it is likely that they will find several mistakes (grammar mistakes and informational mistakes) done by doctors and specialists there. Many, many more are done in speech.
Carbaminohaemoglobin/carbohaemoglobin or carboxyhemoglobin or carboxyhaemoglobin . Even doctors and nurses mix up these in their talks and it's easy to hear it wrong too.

It is.

If there's suspicion, which is clear here , at least psych evaluation If that's not followed, which is possible, parents usually demand answers etc. So are doctors , poisoning is serious , health hazzards etc. Everything is possible but there are several serious "hurdles" to being disharged , and skipping all of them is indeed rare.

So yeah - it is outlandish .

They don't send adults to psych ward after failed suicide attempt automatically in every country.

In my country when adult patient seems mentally stable he can go home from the hospital in every case. After suicide attempt it happens when they say they aren't going to try it again or when they deny it all or partly and claim it was accident. When hospital staff suspect strongly it was suicide attempt hospital offers mental health counseling in hospital but if patient is physically fine and seems mentally stable to go home they can say they don't need it and go home. No counseling times are given/offered after leaving hospital and no check ups to their home then when patient is adult without kids.

Only criteria for being locked up is being mentally unstable which sadly means in practise being nervous, scared, agitated, angry or panicky, which are normal emotions in many situations. So on the other hand people who have accidents end up in psych ward when they get nervous or angry when blamed they tried suicide and they may not get out fast because they get 1000 times more angry and agitated after being locked up for no reason.

In my country if someone sends cops to adult friends who lives alone claiming they are suicidal (already done something) and they tell them to fuck off and deny them from entering the house and deny proving them they are ok. by opening the door, the cops leave and thats it.

 

[Quarky00]

They don't send adults to psych ward after failed suicide attempt automatically in every c

Yeah .. we just discussed that over several posts and I clarified it's not "sent to psych ward" but assessment of mental risk, public health risk, providing answers to family, what to write in medical record, etc (Appreciate the hospital procedures you detailed- very similar here/UK)

Also how can anyone expect him to remember all medical terms right after being close to death and life support.

No one asked for "all medical terms" ... Went to work , access records , wrote LD50 .. come on




Exaggeration does not help .

 

[k75]

I am with you on this. Also how can anyone expect him to remember all medical terms right after being close to death and life support. Nobody would be here if we had to write professional articles and texts here and check everything few times. It would be mentally way too exhausting.
Many professional medical etc. sites confuse CO and CO2 also in Internet. Carbaminohaemoglobin/carbohaemoglobin carbaminohaemoglobin, also known as carbhaemoglobin

They don't send adults to psych ward after failed suicide attempt automatically in every country.

In my country when adult patient seems mentally stable he can go home from the hospital in every case. After suicide attempt it happens when they say they aren't going to try it again or when they deny it all or partly and claim it was accident. When hospital staff suspect strongly it was suicide attempt hospital offers mental health counseling in hospital but if patient is physically fine and seems mentally stable to go home they can say they don't need it and go home. No counseling times are given/offered after leaving hospital and no check ups to their home then when patient is adult without kids.

Only criteria for being locked up is being mentally unstable which sadly means in practise being nervous, scared, agitated, angry or panicky, which are normal emotions in many situations. So on the other hand people who have accidents end up in psych ward when they get nervous or angry when blamed they tried suicide and they may not get out fast because they get 1000 times more angry and agitated after being locked up for no reason.

In my country if someone sends cops to adult friends who lives alone claiming they are suicidal (already done something) and they tell them to fuck off and deny them from entering the house and deny proving them they are ok. by opening the door the cops leave and thats it.

It all depends on where you live. In some places here, you can be placed on a hold just because some guy on the street decides he doesn't like your face and reports that you're going to hurt yourself. So to me, the fact that there wasn't even an evaluation is really weird. Where I am, they have to feel you're an imminent danger to yourself or others. That means ending up in the hospital after a suspicious episode like this pretty much guarantees you'll at least be heavily questioned and probably sectioned. Things like methemoglobin don't just happen randomly, so it's automatically a red flag.

 

[a.h]

[QUOiTE="amShadowChild, post: 639207, member: 13924"]
Look I'm not gonna be answering any more on this thread if anybody has any actual questions then you can pm me.

I started this thread (I wasn't even going

I TEo) but I started this thread to share my experience with the community and for people to talk to and for some support from a community who is mostly very understanding. To be berated by even a minority of individuals is kinda of a downer.
Individuals like these are why people don't "talk about it"

Take care everyone.
[/QUOTE]

I am very, very sorry for what you have been through. Your post gave important info at least even I know you wanted to succeed and feel really bad now. I feel so sorry that on top of everything else you had to read mean messages from certain members here. Don't mind them. If everyone with small grammar mistakes are fake then they and everyone are fake in here.
Just know that the shame is 100% on them, none to you.

People have right to tell their own opinions. But if they call someone lier (who hasn't even lied) it is an insult. It is then same than if I (or others) would state my opinion of them how stupid, ignorant, mean, selfish etc. I think they are. But I won't do that because I think insulting and hurting others in this site is very wrong. If insulting others here would be fine and just freedom of speech then just think what will happen if we all start behaving like that. This site would be ruined. In here that kind of behaviour is also million times worse than in other sites. Most people in here have suffered and suffer constantly enough. They can't handle any more suffering caused by meanness from others.

Look I'm not gonna be answering any more on this thread if anybody has any actual questions then you can pm me.

I started this thread (I wasn't even going to) but I started this thread to share my experience with the community and for people to talk to and for some support from a community who is mostly very understanding. To be berated by even a minority of individuals is kinda of a downer.
Individuals like these are why people don't "talk about it"

Take care everyone.

 

[Quarky00]

If you aren't exhaling CO2 build up

You are exhaling with SN

Most CO2 is removed by bicarbonate filtering not haemoglobin, and lungs continue to function, though there is circulatory failure. SN has nothing to do with inhaling/exhaling or CO/2 blood levels (though those may increase but its not a indicative of risk).

I'm bothering with this small detail because there is no "SN suffocation" . Does not exist.

This is why I said this thread is confusing. If you share a very out of the ordinary story please provide full info and don't be surprised. If you think that "eating SN and then walking around to pee" is normal -- your problem ;) (Sorry OP)

 

[a.h]

It all depends on where you live. In some places here, you can be placed on a hold just because some guy on the street decides he doesn't like your face and reports that you're going to hurt yourself. So to me, the fact that there wasn't even an evaluation is really weird. Where I am, they have to feel you're an imminent danger to yourself or others. That means ending up in the hospital after a suspicious episode like this pretty much guarantees you'll at least be heavily questioned and probably sectioned. Things like methemoglobin don't just happen randomly, so it's automatically a red flag.

That can be true where you live. I live in Europe and can honestly say for sure that in country where I live it is often not like that if patient is adult without minor children.

But in some hospitals staff may have different ways to work and read the law and like most people know in hospitals there are good, excellent, bad and very bad people working in there.
But there is no suing in medical cases in my country either even when people die or get paralysed from big mistakes in treatment or because they were denied examination and treatment they wanted in ER. Law and practise makes it sure that nobody can win any retaliation.

In my country church don't condemn suicide (almost no Catholics here).
I have never seen any sites, news or people condemning it in my country either but I haven't searched them either.

But on the other hand people must always open the door if someone called the cops on them for playing music too loud or any suspicious activity (for example neighbor seeing someone smoking outside say they were using drugs). And some people do that on purpose too since fake emergency calls is not a crime (prepaid cards are cheap too) and police are little aggressive in cases like that. ;(

 

[Lostnotfound]

Whether he is mixed up in his account, he is 100% accurate or its all a lie I take from it something very important!!

Make sure to pee before you drink your sn so you can lay down afterwards and not risk getting up, falling over, making a noise and subsequently being found. The rest of it seems immaterial as we are all doing things our own way to a big extent.

Thanks for the tip :)

 

[Quarky00]

I live in Europe and can honestly say for sure that here it is often not like that if patient is adult

It is like that if you consider the entire case (not just sanctioning) --

you'll at least be heavily questioned . . . methemoglobin don't just happen randomly

That will be true in EU . They won't say : almost-fatal SN poisoning , oh well carry on as normal May not be sanctioned but will want to assess much more .

I'm just clarifying that point -- the information you detail is very interesting , thank you . In many places in EU (and elsewhere) much is up to the discretion of medical staff & officers .. They tend to release "sound" patients quickly .. Public health overcapacity etc . No police aggression towards music/noise , you have a quiet country ;)

But yeah it is becoming clear US sanctioning is unique . Still hospitals would want psych assessment or toxicology in such cases like OP presented .

* I find the information gathered in this discussion critical as I am considering hospitalization through general ICU (!) .

 

[a.h]

You are exhaling with SN

Most CO2 is removed by bicarbonate filtering not haemoglobin, and lungs continue to function, though there is circulatory failure. SN has nothing to do with inhaling/exhaling or CO/2 blood levels (though those may increase but its not a indicative of risk).

I'm bothering with this small detail because there is no "SN suffocation" . Does not exist.

This is why I said this thread is confusing. If you share a very out of the ordinary story please provide full info and don't be surprised. If you think that "eating SN and then walking around to pee" is normal -- your problem ;) (Sorry OP)

That CO2 wasn't his idea. I said that maybe he meant that since it can't be CO. He said he remembered his mother talking with doctor about it likely being CO poisoning while they treated him when he was in critical condition.

I just wish everyone were civil, kind and polite.

I had some confusion (bad in first weeks) and memory problems for months after I got accidentally exposed to CO. I didn't get any treatment to it and was in no critical state. I kept forgetting and saying wrong words constantly after it even I tried to consentrate and thinking, remembering and writing was much harder. The moment it happened I was so confused (I was euphoric and didn't mind it but tried many times) I couldn't make one simple sentence like "Good day". If I had been taken to hospital and would have few days later told from memory what they told me in ER then I bet I would get it all wrong. Even if I had my medical record in paper in front of me I would have written things wrong in English in here few weeks after it.

The things he think he was told while in critical condition wasn't the point. Nobody can remember right what they were told or what doctors and nurses were discussing themselves while being in critical condition in hospital.

If I was him and people asked me nicely I could order my medical records from hospitals and tell what was in it. But if people called me lier and treated badly because I remembered some things wrong I most likely wouldn't bother to do that and pay for it (if ordering medical records costs there).

He clearly wrote it to get support from others after traumatic experience not to give professional advice about sn to others. Anyone can see that. But now he got accusations and mean texts from some people from understandable mistakes in his writing.

 

[SimplyTopHat]

I am sorry your CTB attempt failed, but I thought I am the one only who dry swallow.
I used to swallow coffee powder and stuff from tea bags. The black tea caused me severe panic attacks, I even had to call ambulance cuz my body was locked, I could not talk and hyperventilation was severe. Did you do that in order to minimize the taste?

You too?! I didn't realize this actually happens to people.

I've had this about 2/3 times; I'll have a panic attack &next thing I know my body shuts down. Once I thought I was having a stroke bc I couldn't speak anymore or move the right side of my body. Another time, I was complaining about leg pain, then I yelled at by a parent saying, "it's nothing, I told you to get out of bed more!" (this was during a depressive episode) &I hit the ground. I could be moved by other people but I myself could not move myself. Things went back to normal while I was asleep, but once I was conscious the lateral "paralysis" returned.

It's scary shit.

 

[21Neberg]

I'm sorry this happened to you. The emotions you're going through right now must be some of the worst you've ever felt. I know, because I survived SN too. I don't know what the hospital staff will do with you - they just sent me back to the psych ward. But I hope you'll find a calm place and I hope you'll be able to deal with all this.

 

[Skyview]

Whether he is mixed up in his account, he is 100% accurate or its all a lie I take from it something very important!!

Make sure to pee before you drink your sn so you can lay down afterwards and not risk getting up, falling over, making a noise and subsequently being found. The rest of it seems immaterial as we are all doing things our own way to a big extent.

Thanks for the tip :)

Sometimes confusion arises ; withdraw fluids ! Poster thought withdraw fluids meant visiting the bathroom and BPD_LE replied .

No, I mean stop drinking anything until I need to take pills.

Do you do this because you prevent pissing yourself after SN?

Erm, no. Now I'm struggling to answer this in respect to my promise at the beginning. If you're winding me up then it's genuinely quite funny.

 

[Lostnotfound]

Sometimes confusion arises ; withdraw fluids !

Just pee before drinking it!

 

[Quarky00]

1. Carbon Monoxide ?

He said he remembered his mother talking with doctor about it likely being CO poisoning while they treated him when he was in critical condition.

OP wrote "the hospital originally said carbon monoxide poisoning" . Incompetent medical staff? CO poisoning show no change in normal skin colour (sometimes pinkish) , SN shows distinct pale grey-blue skin , and cyanide distinct blue . Blood colour itself is also different . This should be EMS/Paramedics 101 ... These are good visible indicators (not requiring any lab test) .

Medics said they thought I was gone looked like "a smurf"

That is no sign of CO poisoning. No way. A doctor saying that should be fired.
Now do you understand why this case raises so many questions ?

I had some confusion (bad in first weeks) and memory problems for months after I got accidentally exposed to CO. I didn't get any treatment to it and was in no critical state. I kept forgetting and saying wrong words constantly after it even I tried to consentrate and thinking, remembering and writing was much harder.

That is very common with CO poisoning . That does not happen with SN Do not confuse the two . Again this confusion of the two raises the alarm .


2. Medical Records

The things he think he was told while in critical condition wasn't the point.

As said before there are medical records , available to patient . It's not about him "remembering every detail" or as suggested "know every medical term". No one asked that from OP . Let's not misrepresent things .

If I was him and people asked me nicely I could order my medical records from hospitals and tell what was in it.

Hospital Discharge Summary should suffice . You get that when you are discharged . We don't really need "prove" or "toxicology report" , you know ? But



3. Attitude & Feedback

The questionable nature arose at the start , and a responsible member that raised such a unique case should have shown some cooperation . We asked if this was impulsive etc ("No") . This is contradictory : not impulsive yet so "not planned" . Do you understand these serious contradictions ?

The notion that you should request medical records "for other people" is disturbing -- person should be aware of what happened to them. You have failed ctb and you don't care? Parents ask "is this heroin" and that's it, moving on, nothing happened? This careless attitude is prominent. I'm sorry but OP showed general carelessness. And sadly got some in return .

He clearly wrote it to get support from others

He got plenty of support from many , and as I write this OP still receives much support , which is great . And , as you wrote , few criticized him. What do you expect? For a person to bang their head against the wall and all would chime "oh poor you, it's okay"? Some were alarmed, some were indeed too quick to reach a final conclusive verdict. (which is not ideal)


4. Conclusion

As shown above this is not "a community misbehaving".

1. You are repeating yourself and ignoring previously provided information . That has happened several times . Your eagerness to "defend" or "protect" OP is clouding your judgment .
2. I appreciate you are trying to provide support to OP and raise the flag about this community being too hostile/suspicious (which I agree) .
3. Serious questions raised. Eating SN and going for a walk is careless. LD50 and 10g spoon were reported (OP "heard") yet this was "well-planned".
4. There's no way around it -- many things here are still extremely out of the ordinary .

I am in no position to judge , but I hope I can present the facts clearly and fairly. As I first said -- this thread is confusing.

 

[Skyview]

Just pee before drinking it!

Original initial quote failed to show which was " withdraw fluids ; do you mean going to bathroom ?"
Followed by BPD_LE quote
BPD_LE said:
No, I mean stop drinking anything until I need to take pills.

Apologies for the confusion

 

[Lostnotfound]

Original initial quote failed to show which was " withdraw fluids ; do you mean going to bathroom ?"
Followed by BPD_LE quote
BPD_LE said:
No, I mean stop drinking anything until I need to take pills.

Apologies for the confusion

I have stopped fluids before and the body seems to rebel and then makes you pee all the time. Less fluids = more pee! Maybe thats just me. I have limited my fluid intake but hopefully not enough to make my body react, and I will pee before I drink it lol

 

[Skyview]

I have stopped fluids before and the body seems to rebel and then makes you pee all the time. Less fluids = more pee! Maybe thats just me. I have limited my fluid intake but hopefully not enough to make my body react, and I will pee before I drink it lol

Exactly , pee before use !! Maybe we need to include this in Stan's guide

 

[SimplyTopHat]

My favorite fabrications on this forum are when people say they're stuck at a psychiatric hospital, posting from their phone. As someone who's actually been in one of those places, the thought of someone so attention-seeking but oblivious to the fact that they strip you of everything and don't even allow your family to bring you basic toiletries ...made me chuckle. People definitely lie on here - it's the nature of mental illness.

[I'm not saying the OP is lying, I'm just reminded of those moments from the way the convo is going]

Contrary to what you may believe, you do have access to your phone depending where you are.

Psych wards in hospitals DO take your phone, HOWEVER, you do also get time outside where they give it back to you temporarily.

Or at least they do at the hospital I was held in 3 years ago.

So the person you're speaking of could have fabricated their story, but there is truth to getting your phone back.

 

[Quarky00]

Psych wards in hospitals DO take your phone, HOWEVER, you do also get time outside where they give it back to you temporarily

In the US?

That's the big question

 

[SimplyTopHat]

In the US?

That's the big question

Canada

 

[Quarky00]

Canada

Yeah , so this was discussed here . Personal phone normal -- but in the US (very strict, crazy)

See post #91 :

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/survived.34342/post-639227

 

[SimplyTopHat]

I don't understand how you could post on this forum from a psych ward phone. My experience was completely prohibitive of having my own toothbrush, let alone mobile phone use w/ internet access. Maybe it's different outside the US.

In Canada, you have access to your phone. However only once th've deemed you "safe."At which you have the option to leave the ward for smoke breaks during specific times per day &you get your phone back.

People without "privileges" for instance are kept in a room within the psych ward that is code operated so you cannot leave without permission. Inside this room, people are secluded from other people for 48 hrs, and are then kept secluded in a smaller closet sized room (within the room) with a concrete bed with a mattress that is also code operated so you're essentially in a "cell" within a locked room, within a locked psych ward.

 

[Mm80]

1. Carbon Monoxide ?


OP wrote "the hospital originally said carbon monoxide poisoning" . Incompetent medical staff? CO poisoning show no change in normal skin colour (sometimes pinkish) , SN shows distinct pale grey-blue skin , and cyanide distinct blue . Blood colour itself is also different . This should be EMS/Paramedics 101 ... These are good visible indicators (not requiring any lab test) .

That is no sign of CO poisoning. No way. A doctor saying that should be fired.
Now do you understand why this case raises so many questions ?




That is very common with CO poisoning . That does not happen with SN Do not confuse the two . Again this confusion of the two raises the alarm .


2. Medical Records


As said before there are medical records , available to patient . It's not about him "remembering every detail" or as suggested "know every medical term". No one asked that from OP . Let's not misrepresent things .


Hospital Discharge Summary should suffice . You get that when you are discharged . We don't really need "prove" or "toxicology report" , you know ? But



3. Attitude & Feedback

The questionable nature arose at the start , and a responsible member that raised such a unique case should have shown some cooperation . We asked if this was impulsive etc ("No") . This is contradictory : not impulsive yet so "not planned" . Do you understand these serious contradictions ?

The notion that you should request medical records "for other people" is disturbing -- person should be aware of what happened to them. You have failed ctb and you don't care? Parents ask "is this heroin" and that's it, moving on, nothing happened? This careless attitude is prominent. I'm sorry but OP showed general carelessness. And sadly got some in return .


He got plenty of support from many , and as I write this OP still receives much support , which is great . And , as you wrote , few criticized him. What do you expect? For a person to bang their head against the wall and all would chime "oh poor you, it's okay"? Some were alarmed, some were indeed too quick to reach a final conclusive verdict. (which is not ideal)


4. Conclusion

As shown above this is not "a community misbehaving".

1. You are repeating yourself and ignoring previously provided information . That has happened several times . Your eagerness to "defend" or "protect" OP is clouding your judgment .
2. I appreciate you are trying to provide support to OP and raise the flag about this community being too hostile/suspicious (which I agree) .
3. Serious questions raised. Eating SN and going for a walk is careless. LD50 and 10g spoon were reported (OP "heard") yet this was "well-planned".
4. There's no way around it -- many things here are still extremely out of the ordinary .

I am in no position to judge , but I hope I can present the facts clearly and fairly. As I first said -- this thread is confusing.

Spot on as always quarky. I guess there is a balance between supporting a vulnerable individual and getting to the truth, as lets be honest, we are a method sharing community and rely on each other with details on the ultimate act, so that others leave in the most reliable and peaceful ways we know.
I think you have the balance right. You havent been blunt or rude and have been gently honest in my opinion.

 

[rntmss]

In Canada, you have access to your phone. However only once th've deemed you "safe."At which you have the option to leave the ward for smoke breaks during specific times per day &you get your phone back.

People without "privileges" for instance are kept in a room within the psych ward that is code operated so you cannot leave without permission. Inside this room, people are secluded from other people for 48 hrs, and are then kept secluded in a smaller closet sized room (within the room) with a concrete bed with a mattress that is also code operated so you're essentially in a "cell" within a locked room, within a locked psych ward.

I was held on a Form 1 in Canada last year and it was dreadful. I got to keep my phone up until I was moved from ICU into gen psych and they took everything from me at that point. My wallet, my keys, my phone, my shoes, my clothes (except my underwear)

Everything.

My ex-wife who was with me at the time had her stuff taken away from her too even though she was just keeping me company.

The closet sized room with a hard bed was pretty accurate. At least I got food a few times... had no idea what time of day it was though. At least the staff were pleasant with me. The workers were nice people even though the psychiatrist continuously talked down to me.

 

[SimplyTopHat]

I was held on a Form 1 in Canada last year and it was dreadful. I got to keep my phone up until I was moved from ICU into gen psych and they took everything from me at that point. My wallet, my keys, my phone, my shoes, my clothes (except my underwear)

Everything.

My ex-wife who was with me at the time had her stuff taken away from her too even though she was just keeping me company.

The closet sized room with a hard bed was pretty accurate. At least I got food a few times... had no idea what time of day it was though. At least the staff were pleasant with me. The workers were nice people even though the psychiatrist continuously talked down to me.

Sorry to hear that you had to go through such an experience too, it makes you feel so powerless/hopeless. It's not an experience that I would wish on anyone.

The psychiatrist at my location was a jerk too, highly dismissive &invalidating. All he seemed to care about was medication. :/