Suicide and reincarnation

[DreamEnd]

Hi, I have recently been getting worried about this. You see, I have read somewhere that reincarnation is possible and it's random. So if we were born once, it is possible we will be born again but under different circumstances. Now I'm fucking scared cuz I don't wanna reincarnate in some bum fuck nowhere and put myself in an even worse scenario than I am in now(if that's possible). Does anyone have any idea on whether any of it is true or is it complete bullshit?

 

[cosmic_traveler]

Hi, I have recently been getting worried about this. You see, I have read somewhere that reincarnation is possible and it's random. So if we were born once, it is possible we will be born again but under different circumstances. Now I'm fucking scared cuz I don't wanna reincarnate in some bum fuck nowhere and put myself in an even worse scenario than I am in now(if that's possible). Does anyone have any idea on whether any of it is true or is it complete bullshit?

It's absolute bullshit. It's also the only truth in this world.

When you go looking for answers from other people, you are putting your faith in them, not their answers. There is a difference between someone preaching "this is God, this is how you worship God, this is how to be a good follower" and experiencing God for yourself. My guru teaches that you should never trust someone else's experience for your own, find the truth yourself.

We wish you peace. Be well on your journey.

 

[Darkover]

First off, "you" were already "dead" (non-existent) before you were alive. "You" didn't exist, then "You" came to exist, despite previous non-existence. So after death, "you" simply transition back into the same state of non-existence that you were in before you were born. Which means you can come to exist again as it's already been proven to happen and would inevitably happen again because anything that CAN happen will happen given enough time.

I think the fact that we didn't exists and then suddenly came into being, is proof in itself that it could happen again after death. I think our ego, or who we are dies yes and that's forever. But whatever all living beings are it is the same thing. As long as there are living beings in the universe we are never really dead.

Although i could be wrong and i hope i am wrong so i never have to exist enslaved in awful shit ever again i hope reincarnation is not a thing

the only way to escape life is to put a end to it via destorying the universe

 

[divinemistress36]

I believe reincarnation is possible and it does scare me that if I ctb that I'd reincarnate and be mentally Ill again

It's absolute bullshit. It's also the only truth in this world.

When you go looking for answers from other people, you are putting your faith in them, not their answers. There is a difference between someone preaching "this is God, this is how you worship God, this is how to be a good follower" and experiencing God for yourself. My guru teaches that you should never trust someone else's experience for your own, find the truth yourself.

We wish you peace. Be well on your journey.

You always have such words of wisdom thank you

 

[DreamEnd]

It's absolute bullshit. It's also the only truth in this world.

When you go looking for answers from other people, you are putting your faith in them, not their answers. There is a difference between someone preaching "this is God, this is how you worship God, this is how to be a good follower" and experiencing God for yourself. My guru teaches that you should never trust someone else's experience for your own, find the truth yourself.

We wish you peace. Be well on your journey.

Yes but logically speaking. If you were born once, why wouldn't you be born again? And in a worse circumstance. Autistic for example.

 

[Morte]

Which means you can come to exist again as it's already been proven to happen and would inevitably happen again because anything that CAN happen will happen given enough time.

its proves nothing. Not everything that happened once will happen again nor possibly will. Your point is a logical fallacy. Many things only happen once. "We" are one example. It is impossible to see more than one of us in the universe, because even if someone very similar born, that person still won't be you.

 

[Finalnight]

its proves nothing. Not everything that happened once will happen again nor possibly will. Your point is a logical fallacy. Many things only happen once. "We" are one example. It is impossible to see more than one of us in the universe, because even if someone very similar born, that person still won't be you.

I really hope it happens this way, the last thing I want is to be stuck in a loop, I don't want to be me and go through the same exact shit again, never again.

 

[Morte]

Besides, I don't think we came from nothing. We came from the matter that already exists in the world (and we don't know where this matter came from initially)
Consciousness is not something that was simply brought into existence, it is a state. Your current state is conscious. If you die, you will simply change from a conscious state to a non-conscious/inanimate state and thats all. It's not like you'll "fall" into nothingness, because consciousness is not a "thing" to be moved from one position to another. It's just a state of existence like any other.

 

[DreamEnd]

I really hope it happens this way, the last thing I want is to be stuck in a loop, I don't want to be me and go through the same exact shit again, never again.

No, there are no loops. That's a 100%. May be a new person completely unaware of your previous life's baggage

 

[fuzzy-clown]

If you don't keep your memories in your next life, then you're not really you anymore

 

[DreamEnd]

its proves nothing. Not everything that happened once will happen again nor possibly will. Your point is a logical fallacy. Many things only happen once. "We" are one example. It is impossible to see more than one of us in the universe, because even if someone very similar born, that person still won't be you.

Of course you can't prove you will be reborn again but his point still stands tho. If you were born once what is preventing you from being born again(as a new person) later on?

 

[Disappointered]

Of course you can't prove you will be reborn again but his point still stands tho. If you were born once what is preventing you from being born again(as a new person) later on?

But if it's not fully "you" then it doesn't matter as much. And it won't be since you won't remember your past life. personally, i wish for total annihilation.

 

[cosmic_traveler]

Yes but logically speaking. If you were born once, why wouldn't you be born again? And in a worse circumstance. Autistic for example.

Anyone that suggests they know the answer is only fooling themselves.

We've fooled ourself into believing that we will be reincarnated after 49 days have passed. There's evidence for reincarnation, children who report knowledge of a past life:

Children Who Report Memories of Past Lives - Division of Perceptual Studies

Tucker writes about James Leininger, a boy who had past-life memories of being a WWII pilot, and Ryan Hammond, who had memories of being a Hollywood agent.

med.virginia.edu

If you're talking about karma, again, it's whatever you believe.

 

[Darkover]

its proves nothing. Not everything that happened once will happen again nor possibly will. Your point is a logical fallacy. Many things only happen once. "We" are one example. It is impossible to see more than one of us in the universe, because even if someone very similar born, that person still won't be you.

seriously? Why jump to that one? Why not start at the beginning "we didn't exist and suddenly came into being" let's hear your view on that first.
Because I was happy enough for most of my life (like you, presumably) to believe "we were nothing, we live, then we die, then we're nothing."
We just appeared from nothing? It's as 'weird' to believe that's a one-off as much as it is to believe it will happen again. Weirder, in fact, because as i points out, when things happen, they tend to happen again.

 

[Morte]

Of course you can't prove you will be reborn again but his point still stands tho. If you were born once what is preventing you from being born again(as a new person) later on?

Because it's an absurd theory. Expecting another being with a totally different brain to have your consciousness makes no sense at all. Fom what I just said, consciousness as far as we know is just a state, it is not something that changes from place to place. You died, you Just changed your state from animate to inanimate.
Its a huge scretch to say that another person or living being with a completely different neuron mapping than yours to recreate your consciousness. And that doesn't even make sense, because even if I could recreate all of your neurons in a clone they would still be another sentience

 

[cosmic_traveler]

I believe reincarnation is possible and it does scare me that if I ctb that I'd reincarnate and be mentally Ill again

You always have such words of wisdom thank you

Thank you for your kind words.

 

[Morte]

seriously? Why jump to that one? Why not start at the beginning "we didn't exist and suddenly came into being" let's hear your view on that first.
Because I was happy enough for most of my life (like you, presumably) to believe "we were nothing, we live, then we die, then we're nothing."
We just appeared from nothing? It's as 'weird' to believe that's a one-off as much as it is to believe it will happen again. Weirder, in fact, because as i points out, when things happen, they tend to happen again.

I addressed this in another comment. You have always existed as far as we know - I mean the matter that creates you. Your consciousness, on the other hand, is nothing more than a state of existence generated by your body. You talk about "being" as if it were a thing that came into this world , but "conscience" is just a state of existence created by precise events in the universe.

I think your state of consciousness will not simply repeat itself because such precise events that gave rise to your consciousness are impossible to repeat:

-Firstly, your parents cannot give birth to you again.

- Second, once your neurons are dead, what makes your conscious will be fully destroyed. Soon your state will return to being inanimate, like a stone or any other object.

-Third, even if the universe found a way to re-made your brain exactly as it now, it would still not be "you" , it would be just another being with a conscious state similar to yours. Your being is long gone, because the precise events that gave rise to it cannot be repeated.

 

[uzuf86]

Once we die, we die forever. We don't have a "special" privilege of living, we are just living along with the current 8 billion+ population alive today in the world.
After you die, maybe someone else's birth will "make up" for it, but your consciousness as of today would be permanently gone. You will be a completely different person, and you will never have any idea what you were before, just like you have no idea what you were before 1900, or 1800 for example.

 

[iusedtobehappy]

I just watched this a few days ago. I have read before that people who "opt out early" are brought back to repeat their lives and everything that happened up to the time they took their lives. I have researched this quite a bit because I want to know as much as I can what happens, not just what I hope will happen. So, hitman it is! (does that count?) But if you want to watch the bit about suicide it starts about 32:36.

 

[rozeske]

There really is no way of knowing for sure what will happen, only theories and believes. If we are going to be reincarnate whether when we die tomorrow or 50 years from now what is the point of avoiding the inevitable. If there is a chance you will be born again isn't there a chance you were born here before? or even many times? with no recollection of your past life? So even if we are reborn with with no recollection we will still live it the same.

If we can't know for sure and if there is nothing we can do to change the possible out come, wouldn't it be pointless to worry our selves "to death" over it. Wouldn't it be a better alternative to just pick one of the possible theories that gives us a peace of mind and stick to it until we get to that point where we "see" it for our selves?

 

[Argo]

You see, I have read somewhere that reincarnation is possible and it's random.

Reading something somewhere should hold no weight at all, though. We actually need good reasons for our beliefs and expectations. What's the best explanation we have for ideas like reincarnation or afterlife? That they're stories, by humans who couldn't have possibly known what happens when we die, which served some sort of purpose for the living? OR... that these are actually correct representations of what actually happens after death? A lot of the concerns that suicidal people have is around what will happen after they die, but it seems like a mostly pointless worry because people will die anyway. Therefore the only real concern is the consequences of what'll happen in reality, the place you actually have better reasons to know exists. Once someone resolves those concerns, I don't see a point in worrying about things there's no way to have strong beliefs about. It just becomes a fear of the unknown and adds unnecessary stress to an already likely stressful event.

 

[leavingthesoultrap]

No one knows what will happen after we pass away.
But from what I gathered. Reading various NDEs and pre birth memories. There will be a pressure for you to come back to Earth.
You might be given a choice between few life 'set ups' and you get to pick one.

 

[lament.]

If reincarnation is real: If you reincarnate you will not remember that you have reincarnated. Since the current you does not remember a previous you.

If reincarnation is not real: Don't worry about it. :D

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Does anyone have any idea on whether any of it is true or is it complete bullshit?

I think this depends on what you believe! If reincarnation is real moost people don't remember their lives they had before they were reincarnated. However there are some rare reports about people who talked about their past lives, I don't have sources but you may use google to search or other search engines.

In short and this is what I think, if life and consciousness is a kind of energy that leaves the body after death it will reunite wth the quantum vacuum energy that is everywhere. We know and it is scientifically proven that energy can materialize and de-materialize to become energy again (particle meeting it's antiparticle = energy).

From this point of view I hope that I'm not materialized ever again after I'm dead but we don't know and if such thing is possible then it's a part of the universe we live in we cannot change it as we are results of the whole thing we are in.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

 

[mortuarymary]

I'll let you know when i make it to the other side.
I'll probably come back as a maggot

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

It's okay if reincarnation is real and gives you an even shittier life upon committing suicide. Just reset and try again. In fact, I'm pretty sure the circles that actually believe in reincarnation say as much that suicidal people will just reincarnate into more suicidal people. They presumably claim that in an effort to scare people away from it but if you really think about it then it just means that you're already doomed from the start in every life you get so why bother pretending otherwise? Even if I reincarnate into another life that ends up being shittier I still feel like there will likely be moments of peace in between cycles so I just don't find it to be enough of a deterrent in my opinion.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I'll never believe in any reincarnation, afterlife ,soul, magic , as spirits ,ghosts, religion ,nothing. I will always believe that after death is non-existence forever, you cease to exist for all time ... A tiny animal like a human will be Obliterated for all eternity as the universe is also expanding into nothingness...

The universe has always expanded.

 

[Tears in Rain]

Hi, I have recently been getting worried about this. You see, I have read somewhere that reincarnation is possible and it's random. So if we were born once, it is possible we will be born again but under different circumstances. Now I'm fucking scared cuz I don't wanna reincarnate in some bum fuck nowhere and put myself in an even worse scenario than I am in now(if that's possible). Does anyone have any idea on whether any of it is true or is it complete bullshit?

Not worth worrying about. Like others have said, if reincarnation exists it's possible that 'you' have already lived many previous lives already.

Maybe there's a real part of you that wants to experience the full spectrum of human life, the good and the bad. Living only 'good' lives would probably be boring to it. Though it obviously sucks for the person/ego experiencing any suffering in that particular life.

I'll let you know when i make it to the other side.
I'll probably come back as a maggot

There's probably maggots somewhere thinking: "knowing my luck, I'll probably come back as a human".

 

[FuneralCry]

I believe this is simply a fictional concept invented by humans, I very strongly believe that once we die this existence eternally disappears into nothingness as after all consciousness is stored in the brain and once we finally lose the ability to be conscious we simply cease existing and that is it for us, we are gone. The thought of the absence of everything is all that comforts me personally, I believe death to simply be true peace and for me peace only lies in an dreamless, eternal sleep.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I personally don't believe in reincarnation and, even if it is real, so what? Even under reincarnation, it's not like you retain the memories as you get reborn again so the new you may as well be a new human entirely; a clean slate. I mean, it's not like those who believe in reincarnation remember their past lives anyway. I know the idea of being reborn and trapped in this world sounds horrible but, like I said, the reborn version of you may as well be a new human entirely and your current body, which is the only body in which you can remember and experience things from your current life, will cease to exist when you do.

Of course, I still don't believe in reincarnation, I'm just saying the consequences of reincarnation isn't bad at all even if it is real