So, SN isn’t painless

[LaVieEnRose]

'Luck' being your physical makeup or choosing the right instructions or something?

Your individual physiology.

 

[Someone123]

'Luck' being your physical makeup or choosing the right instructions or something?

NObody knows for sure. Maybe the purity of the sn is a factor, not sure. But if you read goodbye threads from peoeple who took sn and then had some people osberve them it is clear that some peopel pass without too much discomfort as far as people can tell.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

This thread may be perfectly legit, but I always place a mental asterisks next to them seeing that they could be placed by pro-lifers in the attempt to dissuade people from ctb by pointing out negatives to certain methods, in this case SN, sometimes correctly, sometimes not. I'm not saying this is that type of thread, but take it with a grain of salt as the poster only has a couple posts. I highly doubt there is any truly pain-free method of dying, and that includes blowing your head off with a shotgun. Think about a chicken with his head cut off still running around. We already know that dying from natural causes is far from pain-free, don't we? Just my 2 cents.

Living depressed for years and years can be quite painful, too.

 

[SamTam33]

Not like natural deaths are generally all that painless. Think of the millions of people who died a suffocating death from Covid. it seems to me that unless you pass suddenly in your sleep or are killed instantaneously without seeing it coming (like someone sniping you in the head) all deaths involve some degree of suffering, whether physical or mental.

It's like pregnant women asking for a painless, peaceful child birth. That's not typically how births occur.

Where are all these stories of painless, peaceful deaths and why do so many people think it's easily attainable?

I just don't get that mindset. You're trying to escape. How many painless, peaceful escapes FROM ANYTHING have you witnessed.

Painless divorces? Peaceful prison breaks? Painless escapes from burning buildings?

When you're trying to escape a place where you're being held through no fault of your own/against your will - who puts those kinds of restrictions on their freedom? I don't get it.

It's like a hostage saying, "I want to be released IF you can make it peaceful and painless. Otherwise, you can keep me locked up."

 

[Huntfish34]

Damn Sam, I couldn't have said it any
better. Very true. - There will always.... Usually be a factor or variable depending on the situation at hand.... You never really know until you Know. I plan on using my 7-08mm to the dome if/ when the time comes. I have an extremely strong belief that I will never even know what hit me.

Crazy shit Does happen though . . Absolute nightmare stories at that . I wish you nothing but the best in whatever may happen. -

 

[vexxed]

There have been prolifers on here pushing an agenda to turn people off of SN. My point is that it's not a balanced approach demonstrating the truth about SN experiences. It did come off defensive, but it's for good reason. I've been off and on SS for 3 years and I've witnessed all sorts of crazy stuff. Rude? I don't think so.

I don't think you know what being rude is. Your forcing your person biases on a person just seeking the clearly stated goal of a painless death. Treating them like a bad actor just because they have questions and didn't go crazy in their research is both unfair and rude.

Like do you genuinely think all caps "not impressed" and "not impressed" alongside baseless accusations is polite?

 

[releasespieces]

I don't think you know what being rude is. Your forcing your person biases on a person just seeking the clearly stated goal of a painless death. Treating them like a bad actor just because they have questions and didn't go crazy in their research is both unfair and rude.

Like do you genuinely think all caps "not impressed" and "not impressed" alongside baseless accusations is polite?

Ok, I apologize to the OP and you sweet dearest vexxed for being oh so rude. Please, please forgive me.

 

[SamTam33]

It's like pregnant women asking for a painless, peaceful child birth. That's not typically how births occur.

Where are all these stories of painless, peaceful deaths and why do so many people think it's easily attainable?

I just don't get that mindset. You're trying to escape. How many painless, peaceful escapes FROM ANYTHING have you witnessed.

Painless divorces? Peaceful prison breaks? Painless escapes from burning buildings?

When you're trying to escape a place where you're being held through no fault of your own/against your will - who puts those kinds of restrictions on their freedom? I don't get it.

It's like a hostage saying, "I want to be released IF you can make it peaceful and painless. Otherwise, you can keep me locked up."

I don't mean to thread-jack and go off on a tangent, but it's not worth starting another thread. Particularly since I'd need to create a poll with multiple variables to test my hypothesis. I don't know if that's even possible.

Anyway, I just happened upon some TikTok videos where users parody the different generations and how they handle things.

It got me wondering if the whole "painless and peaceful" vibe can be chalked up to the differences in generation.

Like if people over a certain age are more concerned with the effectiveness and less about the experience. As some of the memes suggest - certain generations are just built differently.

Random thought that might explain (to some extent) why I can't fully grasp the obsession with peacefulness when that isn't really the goal.

There are always exceptions and no "theory" is absolute. But I found the idea kind of interesting.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I don't mean to thread-jack and go off on a tangent, but it's not worth starting another thread. Particularly since I'd need to create a poll with multiple variables to test my hypothesis. I don't know if that's even possible.

Anyway, I just happened upon some TikTok videos where users parody the different generations and how they handle things.

It got me wondering if the whole "painless and peaceful" vibe can be chalked up to the differences in generation.

Like if people over a certain age are more concerned with the effectiveness and less about the experience. As some of the memes suggest - certain generations are just built differently.

Random thought that might explain (to some extent) why I can't fully grasp the obsession with peacefulness when that isn't really the goal.

There are always exceptions and no "theory" is absolute. But I found the idea kind of interesting.

SN isn't that quick, so unpleasantness could lead you to abort the attempt with all the consequences thereof. That's a legitimate concern.

 

[SamTam33]

SN isn't that quick, so unpleasantness could lead you to abort the attempt with all the consequences thereof. That's a legitimate concern.

There are legitimate concerns with every single method. But I was talking more about how there's a huge contingent of posters who seemingly only want to ctb if it can be "peaceful and painless."

 

[LaVieEnRose]

There are legitimate concerns with every single method. But I was talking more about how there's a huge contingent of posters who seemingly only want to ctb if it can be "peaceful and painless."

I would think SI would be more of a hindrance with a more painful method. Maybe people think that if they've had a painful life they at least deserve a peaceful passing when in reality if you've had a painful life there's no reason to expect your final moments to be an exception. I've definitely heard the opinion if that if life is so painful that you want to escape it via death, then the pain of suicide shouldn't be an obstacle. From what I've read I think SN is pretty reasonable as far as death distress goes. Of course, practice can prove to be much different than paper.

 

[releasespieces]

I would think SI would be more of a hindrance with a more painful method. Maybe people think that if they've had a painful life they at least deserve a peaceful passing when in reality if you've had a painful life there's no reason to expect your final moments to be an exception. I've definitely heard the opinion if that if life is so painful that you want to escape it via death, then the pain of suicide shouldn't be an obstacle. From what I've read I think SN is pretty reasonable as far as death distress goes. Of course, practice can prove to be much different than paper.

The thing that concerns me about SN is that we don't know for certain whether or not we will feel the pain of dying for the hours after we pass out. Four hours of excruciating pain as your body slowly dies from the poisoning would be next level.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

The thing that concerns me about SN is that we don't know for certain whether or not we will feel the pain of dying for the hours after we pass out. Four hours of excruciating pain as your body slowly dies from the poisoning would be next level.

But you can't feel anything when you're unconscious.

 

[releasespieces]

But you can't feel anything when you're unconscious.

Not necessarily true… 25% can actually feel when unconscious. There have been reports of people under anesthesia experiencing the whole surgery with no way to tell anyone. Talk about a nightmare. There is no definitive way to tell you won't feel anything. https://www.rnceus.com/uncon/unper.html

 

[Disappointered]

I feel like fentanyl would be the best. I wish it was made available to those who find that they are not suited for life. A special cocktail of strong opioids with N would be my preference. I believe that is (unless it's been changed w/i the last year) an option when receiving assisted dying in canada.

 

[watchingthewheels]

Hi there. I didn't mean to offend. All I want is a painless way to go. I honestly thought SN was it and I am so upset that a painless death is not guaranteed. I want to leave, but I am a coward.

I don't know what those are - will look them up. How can you get them?

The PPH puts it on the pain-free scale at 7 out of 10, I believe (1 being the most painful; 10, the least).

 

[freeziepop98]

anyone know about this as an antiemetic?

 

[Disappointered]

I should correct myself so that people don't think I'm flat out wrong: it's not N but it's something very similar (ie secobartital) and there is an option to add opioids.

 

[ThisIsLife]

I question how many reports are fake and also how many symptoms were self induced. If you're panicking you're going to have a raised heart rate anyway and that has nothing to do with the method.

Heart rate increases from the changes of oxygenation and lactic acid amounts in the tissues. The higher lactate levels, the higher the heart rate.

 

[Oblivion]

Some cases are painful, some cases are peaceful. Everybody reacts different.

In this document where failed attempts collected most cases are relatively painless and some of them really discomforting (tachycardia, headache, one case of blindness that recovered and one case couldn't move or talk). Recommend you to read this.

Here is the worst cases from forum members:

Post in thread 'I've tried SN & it's not for me. Been researching. First post btw!'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...researching-first-post-btw.96193/post-1681369

"Excruciating headache, vomiting, felt like my heart was gonna beat out of my chest - like my pulse from my neck felt like it was gonna burst. Not peaceful at all. Not how they say. I also couldn't walk & needed help."

Thread 'Snorting sn'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/snorting-sn.86951/

"I tried s n it was the most pain I've ever been in
In my life so much vomiting and pain if I snort it instead will it go straight into my blood stream I can't go through that pain again when it didn't even work"

Thread 'It seems that SN is not peaceful'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/it-seems-that-sn-is-not-peaceful.73804/

"Moonicide: 25g in luke warm water drank - after 10 minutes breathing heavily, gasping for air, sounds like choking.

Chat room: 25g, burning throat, breathing slowly, 20 minutes after ingesting vomited violent, sounds indicated it became a very tough experience, horrible respiratory sounds, really distressing,

Kukubananas : cannot breathe

timetogo:, throat warm, heaving but not vomiting, do not feel nauseous, hands falling asleep, pain, vomiting swallow back, cannot breathe."

Post in thread 'It seems that SN is not peaceful'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/it-seems-that-sn-is-not-peaceful.73804/post-1383070

"So I went to bed thinking I would fall asleep and ctb but instead I went through 4 hours of hell like suffocating. I didn't throw up at all a bit nauseous was all. I took 1000 mg naproxen before but at the end I got the worst headache of my life."

Post in thread 'Sources and scam megathread'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sources-and-scam-megathread.94434/post-1728298

"Our friend passed away last week with SN. He suffered terribly and had a terrible death struggle even though he followed the guide."

It is obvious that following a regime (pills) does not guarantee a peaceful death, but somehow this is a common misconception.

All of these can be easily explained by mishandling SN, exposure of SN to air converts it into sodium nitrate, sodium nitrate can cause these symptoms

 

[GasMonkey]

I highly doubt there is any truly pain-free method of dying

That's something that a pro-lifer would say.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

@Oblivion that explains a lot! Is it easy to mishandle it? I've read Stan's guide but atm focusing on the physical symptoms and experience and less so the prep beforehand. Though I'll get to that soon. I don't wanna risk screwing the actual SN up.

 

[jolongone]

Constipation can be painful also.

Giving birth is extremely painful, l have gone through that 5 times and they don't call it labour for nothing

 

[freelifexit]

All of these can be easily explained by mishandling SN, exposure of SN to air converts it into sodium nitrate, sodium nitrate can cause these symptoms

According to this Russian article (page 5-6) nitrate and nitrite has same mechanism, except nitrate doesn't kill you.

Also some of people from these reports are dead, what means they used nitrite.

 

[Timeless]

I knew this since I did research on it as soon as it came as an option. But not humane at all..
Helium is much more humane as example
Or combo's like opiates , benzo's, with anti-emetic

 

[Oblivion]

According to this Russian article (page 5-6) nitrate and nitrite has same mechanism, except nitrate doesn't kill you.

Also some of people from these reports are dead, what means they used nitrite.

maybe you need larger doses of nitrate to ctb

 

[freelifexit]

maybe you need larger doses of nitrate to ctb

people on forum write that nitrate is not lethal

 

[locked*n*loaded]

That's something that a pro-lifer would say.

I honestly couldn't care the fuck less what you think. Regardless of what you think, what I said is the truth as I see it, and I have every right to express my opinion on the matter at hand, as anyone else does. There isn't one person alive who can tell you what it feels like to die, and NDE experiences do not count, as they are not complete death. Again, I highly doubt there is ANY method of dying, whether natural or deliberate, that is going to be pain-free. Birth isn't a pain-free experience by any measurement. It's a traumatic experience. One would have to be naive, a fool, or just plain stupid to expect that death would be any different.

Which one are you?

In cases of incompetent use of equipment to commit suicide with (inert gas), death may occur not so much because of suffocation but because of a pressure injury of the respiratory tract. The term barotrauma means a pressure trauma that occurs as a result of a rapid change in pressure in the air-containing spaces, e.g., the respiratory tract (lungs). Usually, a pressure injury occurs during mechanical ventilation, understood in such cases as aggressive anaesthesiological therapy Such overventilation can result, among others, in pneumothorax, pneumomediastinum, subcutaneous emphysema, or the presence of gas bubbles in arterial pulmonary vessels.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

I knew this since I did research on it as soon as it came as an option. But not humane at all..
Helium is much more humane as example
Or combo's like opiates , benzo's, with anti-emetic

Why did you determine it isn't humane? Where was the research from?

That's something that a pro-lifer would say.

They are not a pro-lifer, anyone would know that if they'd read a few of @locked*n*loaded posts!

According to this Russian article (page 5-6) nitrate and nitrite has same mechanism, except nitrate doesn't kill you.

Also some of people from these reports are dead, what means they used nitrite.

Is there a way to translate it or can you give us the jist of what that article says about painful SN experiences since I saw you linked that article before...I don't understand Russian.

 

[GasMonkey]

I honestly couldn't care the fuck less what you think.

I don't care about what you think either, you are just an irrelevant random nobody in a forum. I bet you haven't implemented any CTB setup, measured anything or tested anything.​

naive, a fool, or just plain stupid to expect that death would be any different.

Which one are you?

Naive, fool or stupid? Maybe you are one of those, not me.
I think I'm gonna believe the biggest CTB expert in the world (Dr Philip Nitschke) when he says that death is peaceful and painless with certain methods instead of a random folk in a forum.
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In cases of incompetent use of equipment to commit suicide with (inert gas), death may occur not so much because of suffocation but because of a pressure injury of the respiratory tract. The term barotrauma means a pressure trauma that occurs as a result of a rapid change in pressure in the air-containing spaces, e.g., the respiratory tract (lungs). Usually, a pressure injury occurs during mechanical ventilation, understood in such cases as aggressive anaesthesiological therapy Such overventilation can result, among others, in pneumothorax, pneumomediastinum, subcutaneous emphysema, or the presence of gas bubbles in arterial pulmonary vessels.

15 LPM is not gonna injury the lungs of anybody. Flow meters don't have enough force to cause any barotrauma even at max flow rate. This just shows your lack of knowledge, embarrassing. Nobody who has spent their time building a good inert gas setup does "incompetent use of equipment".

Out of the blue trying to attack my method just to embarrass yourself by pasting some scaremongering bullshit that you just looked up on Google, pathetic. ​