Resource SN megathread

[Sparx]

Can someone explain to me why PPeH recommends basically overdosing on benzos. It just casually mentions like 30 tabs if Diazepam but that is like overdosing. Is that to make you unconscious?

I belive they're trying to make the whole experience be a bit like taking N but yeah 500mg diazpeam seems way too much. Think I might use about 50mg

 

[melancholyc418]

I dont understand why they would recommend it then. It seems like most people on this site read the book and the reality if the protocol is always a bit different. If we overdose on benzos, how would that affect vomitting and how fast we take it.

 

[Sparx]

Need be could I tape something over my mouth to where even if I do throw up it has nowhere to go?

Don't. It will go up your nose and be very unpleasant.

As I mentioned in another thread I just tasted 20g table salt in 50ml water, some of it didn't even dissolve. But it was so disgustingly salty I really don't think I'll be able to drink the SN.

Some say it's not required for AE, and others saying it is, with people in between sayings it's highly recommended.

The AE isn't just to prevent/reduce vomiting, if it's metoclopramide it will promote gastric emptying so the SN will get to the small intestine faster. It's absorbed in the small intestine.

 

[melancholyc418]

Don't. It will go up your nose and be very unpleasant.

As I mentioned in another thread I just tasted 20g table salt in 50ml water, some of it didn't even dissolve. But it was so disgustingly salty I really don't think I'll be able to drink the SN.

The AE isn't just to prevent/reduce vomiting, if it's metoclopramide it will promote gastric emptying so the SN will get to the small intestine faster. It's absorbed in the small intestine.

do you know if the SN is supposed to knock you out or the benzos?

 

[Sparx]

do you know if the SN is supposed to knock you out or the benzos?

Both really, the SN will make you lose consciousness, the benzos will help that happen faster so you will hopefully be out before you feel the unpleasant SN symptoms.

 

[melancholyc418]

Both really, the SN will make you lose consciousness, the benzos will help that happen faster so you will hopefully be out before you feel the unpleasant SN symptoms.

I'm just confused why the PPeH recommends so much benzo and no one has done that. I feel like overdosing seems kind of smart and more peaceful, do you think its riskier

 

[Kta1994]

Is it true that domperidone isnt as effective as meto?
Also should i take propanol or not?

 

[PleaseHelpMi]

Both really, the SN will make you lose consciousness, the benzos will help that happen faster so you will hopefully be out before you feel the unpleasant SN symptoms.

Hey i have read Stan's guide only. Plus looked at some threads. So I don't know much about Bezos. This is what I was going to do - 1 hour before paracetamol 1,000mg/1,300mg - 30 mins before 30g Domperidone - SN drink. That's it. Where does benzos fit in this? And how much? Also is domperidone not good enough? Do I really need meto?

 

[Aggy]

Could I please receive feedback on both my plan and the items I have so far? I've been studying this thread as well as stands detailed thread I am still worried I am not well prepared/not properly understood and applied the instructions. I need this to be successful. I want to catch the bus this week!!

I weigh about 62 or 63 KG for reference.

I have: Ibuprofen for pain killers, Tums for antacids, propranolol, sodium nitrite, and Metoclopramide for the antimetic. I don't have any sedatives.

So:

20gm in 50ml of plain water and I would like to use either the 48 hour method or the stat method.

Questions:

-Neither of the 48 hour option or the stat option mention the beta blockers. When would I take those?

-The instructions say to take as little water as possible so am I simply meant to ensure a take a very small sips when taking the Metos and the ibuprofen?

I am also terrible at measurements and I'm concerned about making sure I have the right amount for both the grams and the milligrams. What do you recommend getting a measuring spoon or is there an easier way to ensure I have the right measurements? Ie. Confirming what 10 mg and 600 mg look like

 

[CringeNihilism]

Could I please receive feedback on both my plan and the items I have so far? I've been studying this thread as well as stands detailed thread I am still worried I am not well prepared/not properly understood and applied the instructions. I need this to be successful. I want to catch the bus this week!!

I weigh about 62 or 63 KG for reference.

I have: Ibuprofen for pain killers, Tums for antacids, propranolol, sodium nitrite, and Metoclopramide for the antimetic. I don't have any sedatives.

So:

20gm in 50ml of plain water and I would like to use either the 48 hour method or the stat method.

Questions:

-Neither of the 48 hour option or the stat option mention the beta blockers. When would I take those?

-The instructions say to take as little water as possible so am I simply meant to ensure a take a very small sips when taking the Metos and the ibuprofen?

I am also terrible at measurements and I'm concerned about making sure I have the right amount for both the grams and the milligrams. What do you recommend getting a measuring spoon or is there an easier way to ensure I have the right measurements? Ie. Confirming what 10 mg and 600 mg look like

Using beta blockers and antacids is not recommended now in PPH. Using antacids is not recommended bc your gastric HCL reacts with SN and gives nitric oxide which acts as a vasodilator.
3NaNO2​ + 2HCl → 2NO + H2​O + NaNO3​ + 2NaCl
Nitric oxide causes vasodilation which in turn lowers your blood pressure making you more likely to lose consciousness more quickly and depriving your tissues from blood and oxygen ( Hypemic hypoxia ).
As regard to beta blockers, they lower your fast heart rate (tachycardia) which is just a symptom. You might find tachycardia a bit distressful but tachycardia will likely make your death come sooner. Your heart as it beats faster ( to supply your brain with oxygen and nutrients ) , requires more blood and oxygen to bump more thus potentiating the hypemic hypoxia by taking more oxygen, making it more likely to cause anemic heart failure ( Your heart won't beat anymore bc it is exhausted ) or loss of consciousness due to cerebral hypoxia.
You can take the beta blockers ofc if you find that tachycardia will be distressful for you but keep in mind that it makes your time to ctb more longer.
https://cdn8.bunkr.ru/162454_162400...cjke_and_Fiona_Stewart_z-lib.org-9ECfmInr.pdf
Read page 115 and 116

 

[LocalAngel]

Using beta blockers and antacids is not recommended now in PPH. Using antacids is not recommended bc your gastric HCL reacts with SN and gives nitric oxide which acts as a vasodilator.
3NaNO2​ + 2HCl → 2NO + H2​O + NaNO3​ + 2NaCl
Nitric oxide causes vasodilation which in turn lowers your blood pressure making you more likely to lose consciousness more quickly and depriving your tissues from blood and oxygen ( Hypemic hypoxia ).
As regard to beta blockers, they lower your fast heart rate (tachycardia) which is just a symptom. You might find tachycardia a bit distressful but tachycardia will likely make your death come sooner. Your heart as it beats faster ( to supply your brain with oxygen and nutrients ) , requires more blood and oxygen to bump more thus potentiating the hypemic hypoxia by taking more oxygen, making it more likely to cause anemic heart failure ( Your heart won't beat anymore bc it is exhausted ) or loss of consciousness due to cerebral hypoxia.
You can take the beta blockers ofc if you find that tachycardia will be distressful for you but keep in mind that it makes your time to ctb more longer.
https://cdn8.bunkr.ru/162454_162400...cjke_and_Fiona_Stewart_z-lib.org-9ECfmInr.pdf
Read page 115 and 116

Would this then mean that the effects of Olanzapine, which acts as an AE and reduces blood pressure, reduce the overall time to lose conciousness? Interesting.

 

[CringeNihilism]

Would this then mean that the effects of Olanzapine, which acts as an AE and reduces blood pressure, reduce the overall time to lose conciousness? Interesting.

Yes I presume, If Olanzapines lower blood pressure, the latency to ctb will become shorter.

 

[simubooch]

Hey, coming back here after a bit of a hiatus. Have been reading around on a few threads surrounding SN -- is domperidone the new preferred standard instead of meto in general for an AE? Seems like it has less affinity for crossing the blood-brain-barrier and exacting its dopamine antagonistic affects on the CNS, which is what causes those scary side effects like akathesia or dykenesia -- uncontrollable tremors, basically. Realizing that the only AE that will work for the SN method is a dopaminergic one, and realizing that if any of these meds do cross the blood-brain-barrier, they could have this effect really does start to scare me from using this method ngl.

Anyone had any thoughts/what's the general consensus been on this recently?

As an aside, still too scared to lie straight-faced to a doc about needing these meds as the only way to get them too lol, anyone had any success with online vendors not asking for perscription info for dopaminergic AEs in the US?

 

[itsbeenawhile]

sn in italy source?

 

[EndlessDream]

looking for a source in New Zealand, open to dm

 

[AboutBlank]

Hey, im looking for a source of SN and it seems it has just been purged off of ebay/amazon and so on and the only places i can seem to find it in high purities are chemical suppliers that seem very keen on collecting as much info about you as possible which is understandable.
So, does anyone have a source from around central europe or that could deliver there? Feel free to DM me

 

[Aggy]

Using beta blockers and antacids is not recommended now in PPH. Using antacids is not recommended bc your gastric HCL reacts with SN and gives nitric oxide which acts as a vasodilator.
3NaNO2​ + 2HCl → 2NO + H2​O + NaNO3​ + 2NaCl
Nitric oxide causes vasodilation which in turn lowers your blood pressure making you more likely to lose consciousness more quickly and depriving your tissues from blood and oxygen ( Hypemic hypoxia ).
As regard to beta blockers, they lower your fast heart rate (tachycardia) which is just a symptom. You might find tachycardia a bit distressful but tachycardia will likely make your death come sooner. Your heart as it beats faster ( to supply your brain with oxygen and nutrients ) , requires more blood and oxygen to bump more thus potentiating the hypemic hypoxia by taking more oxygen, making it more likely to cause anemic heart failure ( Your heart won't beat anymore bc it is exhausted ) or loss of consciousness due to cerebral hypoxia.
You can take the beta blockers ofc if you find that tachycardia will be distressful for you but keep in mind that it makes your time to ctb more longer.
https://cdn8.bunkr.ru/162454_162400...cjke_and_Fiona_Stewart_z-lib.org-9ECfmInr.pdf
Read page 115 and 116

Thank you very much!

I just read the page just that you shared with me and I wasn't able to get any benzo's. I only have the sodium nitrate, Mentos, and painkillers but I noticed pain killers weren't mentioned in the two pages that you shared with me in the handbook.

So my questions are Dash for you and/or anyone else who is able to please chime in: will I be OK without the benzos and are painkillers optional?

In terms of spacing things out, would it be best to use the 48 hour guide, the stat guide, or the several hours guide linked above in the handbook (attached)? Which one would provide the greatest chance of catching the bus?

At this point, excluding the items that are no longer required/recommended like the antacids and the bee walkers, I only have the Mentos and sodium n since painkillers haven't been mentioned. Is that all I need?

 

[Saltedcoffee]

Thank you very much!

I just read the page just that you shared with me and I wasn't able to get any benzo's. I only have the sodium nitrate, Mentos, and painkillers but I noticed pain killers weren't mentioned in the two pages that you shared with me in the handbook.

So my questions are Dash for you and/or anyone else who is able to please chime in: will I be OK without the benzos and are painkillers optional?

In terms of spacing things out, would it be best to use the 48 hour guide, the stat guide, or the several hours guide linked above in the handbook (attached)? Which one would provide the greatest chance of catching the bus?

At this point, excluding the items that are no longer required/recommended like the antacids and the bee walkers, I only have the Mentos and sodium n since painkillers haven't been mentioned. Is that all I need?

I think the benzos and painkillers are just to make the symptoms (anxiety, headache etc) more bearable. I think the guides don't really differ in success rate?

Just wanting to confirm, you have sodium nitrIte right, not nitrAte like you wrote? Nitrate won't work

 

[Aggy]

I think the benzos and painkillers are just to make the symptoms (anxiety, headache etc) more bearable. I think the guides don't really differ in success rate?

Just wanting to confirm, you have sodium nitrIte right, not nitrAte like you wrote? Nitrate won't work

Thank you very, very much! I sincerely appreciate your comment. Yes, sorry for the typo I meant nitrite.

So, it really doesn't matter what guide I use as far as success rate goes this is long as I follow the rules?

Am I also allowed to post a picture of my supplies/set up here the day of just to make sure it's ready?

 

[jessisme]

I am on Invega Sustenna, an antipsychotic and I understand that it can be used in place of an antiemetic. Is this true? In addition to the antipsychotic I have just Ibuprofen and the SN. Would it be effective to ctb using just this? Drawbacks? Thank you for your help with this.

 

[lukas19]

So if I fast, take my SN at 25g with a backup ready just in case, I should be able to be successful? Also, as gross as this sounds, would it still work if I have an empty cup to throw up in and just man up and drink that down, would that be the same as just ingesting the drug all over again?
Hey guys sorry, Im known to procrastinate, but I've gotten a hotel for me to not be found to early, I booked it out until Tuesday, what is the max latest I have to take it and not be found too early on that Tuesday when my checkout is at 11:00am, and if I did it correctly and successful, I will already be gone

Same as me, I'm hoping to CTB on Monday. Luckly my landlord is a asshole, so I have luxury of being able to do it at my flat.

 

[JuliaOnTheNet]

Hey, coming back here after a bit of a hiatus. Have been reading around on a few threads surrounding SN -- is domperidone the new preferred standard instead of meto in general for an AE? Seems like it has less affinity for crossing the blood-brain-barrier and exacting its dopamine antagonistic affects on the CNS, which is what causes those scary side effects like akathesia or dykenesia -- uncontrollable tremors, basically. Realizing that the only AE that will work for the SN method is a dopaminergic one, and realizing that if any of these meds do cross the blood-brain-barrier, they could have this effect really does start to scare me from using this method ngl.

Anyone had any thoughts/what's the general consensus been on this recently?

As an aside, still too scared to lie straight-faced to a doc about needing these meds as the only way to get them too lol, anyone had any success with online vendors not asking for perscription info for dopaminergic AEs in the US?

Metoclopramide is still the standard but Domperidone is fine as well.
In regards to crossing the blood brain barrier, that is exactly what you are looking for in an AE. They need to work in the brain blocking dopamine receptors to be effective. Metoclopramide is a bit better because it also antagonises(blocks) a few serotonin receptors as well, which additionally helps with nausea.
Never thought to you use drug special interest for such stuff.

I am on Invega Sustenna, an antipsychotic and I understand that it can be used in place of an antiemetic. Is this true? In addition to the antipsychotic I have just Ibuprofen and the SN. Would it be effective to ctb using just this? Drawbacks? Thank you for your help with this.

So I looked it up and your medication antagonises(blocks) D2 receptors well, so yes it's a decent amtiemetic. Since it's your medicatio, you would need a pretty high dose though because of tolerance and also to be safe it's gonna work as an AE. My guess is something like 5 times your usual dose, maybe a bit higher but please get someone else's opinion on that.
Also you need instant release forms, if you have only retard form I would really urge you to get your hands on something else if you can

 

[CringeNihilism]

Thank you very much!

I just read the page just that you shared with me and I wasn't able to get any benzo's. I only have the sodium nitrate, Mentos, and painkillers but I noticed pain killers weren't mentioned in the two pages that you shared with me in the handbook.

So my questions are Dash for you and/or anyone else who is able to please chime in: will I be OK without the benzos and are painkillers optional?

In terms of spacing things out, would it be best to use the 48 hour guide, the stat guide, or the several hours guide linked above in the handbook (attached)? Which one would provide the greatest chance of catching the bus?

At this point, excluding the items that are no longer required/recommended like the antacids and the bee walkers, I only have the Mentos and sodium n since painkillers haven't been mentioned. Is that all I need?

tbh benzos are important here, it reduces anxiety and fear associated with the process. if you look closely at the handbook guide you will notice that it suggests to crush 20 tablets of oxazepam or 50 tablets of diazepam, THAT'S A LOT. what the handbook is trying to achieve here is make you lose consciousness faster and go to sleep, but that won't be good for the process. Yes benzos overdose makes you sleep fast but what guarantees that you won't vomit while you are unconscious? remember vomiting is the worst possible outcome in this process thus you need to have multiple glasses of SN just in case you vomit. I don't know actually if 20 or 50 tablets of benzos alone will likely make you vomit lmao. There is also the possibility that that vomit will enter your trachea and block your airway when you are unconscious. You need to be AWAKE in case vomiting occurs so either you halt the process to ctb and call the ambulance or drink the spare glasses of SN you prepared beforehand.

Best idea is to take the NORMAL dose of benzo beforehand to reduce anxiety.
As for why there aren't painkillers in the handbook, because lots of benzos are used in the handbook guide you won't need painkillers bc you will sleep immediately.

Im also planning to ctb using SN method, here is my plan
I will use SN, antiemetics and painkillers and follow the 48 regimen
I didn't manage to get benzos either so I won't use them.
I will take 3 metoclopramides the first 24 hours to see if extrapyramidal symptoms will occur
I will fast the next day and take the 3 metos and painkillers and finally SN

 

[jessisme]

Metoclopramide is still the standard but Domperidone is fine as well.
In regards to crossing the blood brain barrier, that is exactly what you are looking for in an AE. They need to work in the brain blocking dopamine receptors to be effective. Metoclopramide is a bit better because it also antagonises(blocks) a few serotonin receptors as well, which additionally helps with nausea.
Never thought to you use drug special interest for such stuff.

So I looked it up and your medication antagonises(blocks) D2 receptors well, so yes it's a decent amtiemetic. Since it's your medicatio, you would need a pretty high dose though because of tolerance and also to be safe it's gonna work as an AE. My guess is something like 5 times your usual dose, maybe a bit higher but please get someone else's opinion on that.
Also you need instant release forms, if you have only retard form I would really urge you to get your hands on something else if you can

Thank you.

 

[CringeNihilism]

I am on Invega Sustenna, an antipsychotic and I understand that it can be used in place of an antiemetic. Is this true? In addition to the antipsychotic I have just Ibuprofen and the SN. Would it be effective to ctb using just this? Drawbacks? Thank you for your help with this.

Yes antipsychotics can be used instead of antiemetics as both work as dopamine antagonists.
If possible get some benzodiazepines and take them before the process to reduce associated anxiety and fear.

 

[jessisme]

Yes antipsychotics can be used instead of antiemetics as both work as dopamine antagonists.
If possible get some benzodiazepines and take them before the process to reduce associated anxiety and fear.

Great, thanks. Do you have any opinion on whether the slow release (injection) form of Invega Sustenna would work as well as daily tablets?

 

[CringeNihilism]

Great, thanks. Do you have any opinion on whether the slow release (injection) form of Invega Sustenna would work as well as daily tablets?

Sorry don't know much about invega sustenna. Better ask someone. If you can't still know, use antiemetics.

 

[lukas19]

Metoclopramide is still the standard but Domperidone is fine as well.
In regards to crossing the blood brain barrier, that is exactly what you are looking for in an AE. They need to work in the brain blocking dopamine receptors to be effective. Metoclopramide is a bit better because it also antagonises(blocks) a few serotonin receptors as well, which additionally helps with nausea.
Never thought to you use drug special interest for such stuff.

So I looked it up and your medication antagonises(blocks) D2 receptors well, so yes it's a decent amtiemetic. Since it's your medicatio, you would need a pretty high dose though because of tolerance and also to be safe it's gonna work as an AE. My guess is something like 5 times your usual dose, maybe a bit higher but please get someone else's opinion on that.
Also you need instant release forms, if you have only retard form I would really urge you to get your hands on something else if you can

Can't get meto so gonna use Prochlorperazine which is OTC in UK

 

[DeathToSpiesSMERSH]

Would a mixture of risperidone and prochlorperazine help with mitigating vomiting?

 

[JuliaOnTheNet]

Can't get meto so gonna use Prochlorperazine which is OTC in UK

That's a really good med for being otc! You could try getting metoclopramide from a GP saying you have migraines with sickness again and in the past you got metoclopramide and it helped a lot.

Anyways, good luck on your journey and take care <3