Resource SN megathread

[FireWalkWithMe]

Guys I think the benzos are being over thought a little bit. I do think the guide is over the top on this, but ultimately just remember what the benzos are actually there for. They're really there to reduce anxiety, help with SI, possibly render you unconscious quicker. But they're absolutely not necessary to the workings of the SN in the way anti emetics are and if you look at many successful cases they didn't even use any.

So it all depends on the actual benzo you can get hold of, whether you have built up tolerance for benzos, which may here may have, and also what you're trying to achieve with it. I think on this point you don't have to blindly follow the guide. For the other stuff I think yes...follow the guide because otherwise you risk success, but really a benzo is there for your comfort and there's so many variables with different tolerances and different benzos you can't just have a rule for everyone.

For me it's quite simple, you get a benzo at a level that relaxes you. If you have no idea about benzos then test them a night or two before.

 

[freeziepop98]

is it possible for me to make a simple mixture of water and SN and ctb "relatively peacefully" as long as i don't barf?

 

[PleaseHelpMi]

is it possible for me to make a simple mixture of water and SN and ctb "relatively peacefully" as long as i don't barf?

It is possible. Though you should try doing the same thing with just salt instead of sn and see if you don't barf. Since the taste is similar. Though again i would highly recommend just taking antiemetic atleast. Domperidone is fine too and easier to get than meto. This is how I am going to take it - 1 hour before 1,000/1,300mg paracetamol - 30mins before 30g Domperidone - SN Drink. This is how it says in Stan's guide. I don't know about benzos enough or the quantity since pph says to take a bit too much of it.

 

[FireWalkWithMe]

It is possible. Though you should try doing the same thing with just salt instead of sn and see if you don't barf. Since the taste is similar. Though again i would highly recommend just taking antiemetic atleast. Domperidone is fine too and easier to get than meto. This is how I am going to take it - 1 hour before 1,000/1,300mg paracetamol - 30mins before 30g Domperidone - SN Drink. This is how it says in Stan's guide. I don't know about benzos enough or the quantity since pph says to take a bit too much of it.

Not sure this is great advice. Necking 25g of table salt is going to do nobody any good and that would be the only relevant comparison. I think everybody has experienced salt water in the mouth at the beach so the taste of salt water in the mouth isn't anything novel. The problem is on swallowing, the body attempts to reject a poison and truthfully there is no adequate preparation except having an AE, so why bother messing around ingesting salt.

 

[lukas19]

That's a really good med for being otc! You could try getting metoclopramide from a GP saying you have migraines with sickness again and in the past you got metoclopramide and it helped a lot.

Anyways, good luck on your journey and take care <3

Planning to CTB on monday, don't wanna wait. There are stories of people using just SN and was successful so using prochlorperazine should be good enough. (I hope) A busy day tommorow saying good bye to family/friends (not that they know it's a goodbye)

Not sure this is great advice. Necking 25g of table salt is going to do nobody any good and that would be the only relevant comparison. I think everybody has experienced salt water in the mouth at the beach so the taste of salt water in the mouth isn't anything novel. The problem is on swallowing, the body attempts to reject a poison and truthfully there is no adequate preparation except having an AE, so why bother messing around ingesting salt.

i walked into a chemist earlier and bought some prochlorperazine (its mentioned in Stan's thread and PPH as an AE) i doubt it will be a strong as meto but i reckon it will do, See if it's OTC in your country, it's cheap

 

[Kta1994]

Can i still use propanolol? Is it really gonna make it last longer than it should?

 

[missingpeace]

Hi I have alot of SN, does taking more (in excess of 25gms), make the ctb more faster?

 

[Onw9]

Will my body make any sound after im unconscious?

 

[PleaseHelpMi]

Not sure this is great advice. Necking 25g of table salt is going to do nobody any good and that would be the only relevant comparison. I think everybody has experienced salt water in the mouth at the beach so the taste of salt water in the mouth isn't anything novel. The problem is on swallowing, the body attempts to reject a poison and truthfully there is no adequate preparation except having an AE, so why bother messing around ingesting salt.

It would be better to know if you can ingest that amount of salt before trying to ctb with Sn. I was just replying to the question whether it is possible to ctb with just sn as long as you don't barf. Besides that I did highly recommend using AE. Since it is very hard for the average person to swallow and not vomit that much salt or sn. But not impossible. Rest is upto the person themselves to decide whether they want to test it or get an antiemetic.

 

[jessisme]

PPH quotes an article written about SN's use in suicide attempts as follows:

"the mechanism of death is suffocation and, because of the unbearable symptoms, sodium nitrite is an extremely unsuitable suicide agent."

The authors of the PPH dispute this but I am thinking there might be some truth to this which makes me anxious. Thoughts?

 

[TheDog_]

Is it painful?

 

[Sparx]

Is it painful?

No one can really answer that question. It's said to be uncomfortable rather than painful. Some people who took it and survived said there was no pain, others have said they experienced stomach pain, possibly due to GI issues like ulcers. People who post goodbye threads tend to say it isn't painful.

I guess no one really knows until they take it. The people who can really answer that question are dead.

 

[TheDog_]

Is CCS legit?

 

[Kta1994]

It would be better to know if you can ingest that amount of salt before trying to ctb with Sn. I was just replying to the question whether it is possible to ctb with just sn as long as you don't barf. Besides that I did highly recommend using AE. Since it is very hard for the average person to swallow and not vomit that much salt or sn. But not impossible. Rest is upto the person themselves to decide whether they want to test it or get an antiemetic.

Isnt using a straw a better option?

 

[Sparx]

PPH quotes an article written about SN's use in suicide attempts as follows:

"the mechanism of death is suffocation and, because of the unbearable symptoms, sodium nitrite is an extremely unsuitable suicide agent."

The authors of the PPH dispute this but I am thinking there might be some truth to this which makes me anxious. Thoughts?

I read that too and wondered was it written by a pro-lifer? Apparently it's not like normal suffocation where you can't get enough air into your lungs. You should be able to breathe ok, it's just your blood can't bind the oxygen due to methaemoglobin.

Some SN survivors have mentioned breathing being heavier/harder. I would hope one would be unconscious before that stage is reached.

 

[jessisme]

I read that too and wondered was it written by a pro-lifer? Apparently it's not like normal suffocation where you can't get enough air into your lungs. You should be able to breathe ok, it's just your blood can't bind the oxygen due to methaemoglobin.

Some SN survivors have mentioned breathing being heavier/harder. I would hope one would be unconscious before that stage is reached.

Yes, accounts seem very fuzzy on what the time is before unconsciousness is reached in general and on average. It's possible that it varies so much that it is difficult to offer a time.
I sincerely hope it isn't the four to eight hours it can take to die. I suppose it's best to poll those who have successfully completed attempts but again, it's hard to get an answer since they are dead. This part of the SN process scares me. A lot.

 

[Sparx]

Yes, accounts seem very fuzzy on what the time is before unconsciousness is reached in general and on average. It's possible that it varies so much that it is difficult to offer a time.
I sincerely hope it isn't the four to eight hours it can take to die. I suppose it's best to poll those who have successfully completed attempts but again, it's hard to get an answer since they are dead. This part of the SN process scares me. A lot.

From the posts I've read it can take anything from 10 minutes to an hour to reach unconsciousness. That's a lot of time to have regrets/SI to kick in. Average seems to be about 20 minutes.

 

[aleph_zero]

It's impossible to determine the average time to reach unconsciousness because there's a chance that people lose the ability to move before they lose consciousness. This is what happened in my case, I couldn't walk but was conscious right until the moment I reached the hospital. I'd say it took about 25-30 minutes.

Now I'm wondering about the safety of using mouth sprays with a local anesthetic to numb the toungue and throat. One unpleasant symptom I remember from my first attempt was intense burning in my throat and the taste is also horrendous. The taste alone is enough to induce vomiting.

 

[jessisme]

From the posts I've read it can take anything from 10 minutes to an hour to reach unconsciousness. That's a lot of time to have regrets/SI to kick in. Average seems to be about 20 minutes.

That sounds like a long twenty minutes if you are dealing with symptoms. I'm so discouraged I really want this to work.

It's impossible to determine the average time to reach unconsciousness because there's a chance that people lose the ability to move before they lose consciousness. This is what happened in my case, I couldn't walk but was conscious right until the moment I reached the hospital. I'd say it took about 25-30 minutes.

Now I'm wondering about the safety of using mouth sprays with a local anesthetic to numb the toungue and throat. One unpleasant symptom I remember from my first attempt was intense burning in my throat and the taste is also horrendous. The taste alone is enough to induce vomiting.

Had you vomited at all before you ended up in the hospital?

 

[leeloosnow]

It's impossible to determine the average time to reach unconsciousness because there's a chance that people lose the ability to move before they lose consciousness. This is what happened in my case, I couldn't walk but was conscious right until the moment I reached the hospital. I'd say it took about 25-30 minutes.

Now I'm wondering about the safety of using mouth sprays with a local anesthetic to numb the toungue and throat. One unpleasant symptom I remember from my first attempt was intense burning in my throat and the taste is also horrendous. The taste alone is enough to induce vomiting.

interested to hear more about your attempt if you are comfortable sharing that. im sorry you had such a difficult experience. here's a few questions-
-how much did you take?
-what other meds did you take?
-what is your body weight?
-where did you source it?
-how did the attempt go sideways?
thanks and again im sorry for your struggles <3

 

[aleph_zero]

That sounds like a long twenty minutes if you are dealing with symptoms. I'm so discouraged I really want this to work.


Had you vomited at all before you ended up in the hospital?

Yep, my memories are very blurry, but I have these messages as a reminder. I wrote an extensive post about it on my previous account here, I'll try to find it. The account was disabled and then I couldn't recover it later so I had to make a new one when I realized that I'd lost my bottle of SN and needed a new source.

interested to hear more about your attempt if you are comfortable sharing that. im sorry you had such a difficult experience. here's a few questions-
-how much did you take?
-what other meds did you take?
-what is your body weight?
-where did you source it?
-how did the attempt go sideways?
thanks and again im sorry for your struggles <3

I got it from ebay, it was fairly easy to get it back in late 2020. I weigh around 45kg and I used 20g which I now realize was an overkill.

I'm planning to use somewhere between 10 and 15g this time and prepare another glass in case of vomiting. A more concentrated solution doesn't necessarily increase the chances of success as it increases the chance of vomiting prematurely.

Here's the old post from two years ago:

Failed SN attempt - experiences from the ICU and a psych ward

I first joined this forum somewhere around June 2019 but I decided to ban myself a few months later as I had already obtained all the necessary information. I now have this new account as I have forgotten the login details for the old one. I had had SN for a long time before the attempt, and I...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[leeloosnow]

thanks for your reply i didn't realize you'd posted. i'm considering using these gelcaps i bought, member funkygibbon swore by it. what do you think?

 

[aleph_zero]

thanks for your reply i didn't realize you'd posted. i'm considering using these gelcaps i bought, member funkygibbon swore by it. what do you think?

Are those capsules that you fill with SN? Mind sharing where you got them? I've been thinking about trying something like these, or even using miraculin to change my taste receptors but there's limited data on how it affects the taste of salty substances

 

[MelodyCymbal]

What does IC stand for (i want to order SN)? or can someone link me this IC site in PM

Can someone pm me as well? Thank you

IC is the acronym of the retailer, and they do ship to Canada as well.

Before someone can send you a private message with the information regarding to IC, you must post at least 15-20 messages in the forum I think.

Please pm the name me as well

What does IC stand for?

Please pm me what IC stands for

 

[haiku]

Would filling capsules be effective? I know the recommended 25 g (or whatever depending on weight) is meant to be overkill.. but if you were to fill capsules with them I imagine you would end up having around 25 - 50 capsules or more depending on the capsule size (assuming most hold around 500 or 1000 mg). That seems difficult to put together and swallow but maybe I'm overthinking it.

 

[TheDog_]

Hey! I want to take SN but I am afraid it could be toxic for my family members. Would they suffer any harm if they were to accidentally touch it or something? I would hide it, but if I died and they searched my room I wouldn't want them to be harmed if they accidentally found it and opened the jar/touched it/accidentally inhale it.

 

[missingpeace]

Hey! I want to take SN but I am afraid it could be toxic for my family members. Would they suffer any harm if they were to accidentally touch it or something? I would hide it, but if I died and they searched my room I wouldn't want them to be harmed if they accidentally found it and opened the jar/touched it/accidentally inhale it.

Mark it in a bag labelled 'POISON'

 

[AboutBlank]

Hi I have alot of SN, does taking more (in excess of 25gms), make the ctb more faster?

You should make it a little more dependent on your bodyweight since higher doses will make it more likely that you will vomit

 

[Kta1994]

I have clonazepam that you put under the tongue, each has 0,25mg, how much should i use prior? Can i take it right before i drink the sn?

 

[LocalAngel]

Hello, interaction question. Olanzapine (as the AE) and diazepam as the benzo. I plan on taking the benzos roughly 1h-45m before ingesting SN. However, Olanzapine and diazepam seem to have a major interaction with each other that causes issues. Could anyone please tell me the specifics, and if this is a good idea or not?and

i plan on attempting to get meto, but we'll see how things pan out.