Shutting down suicide fourms does not work and here is why

[FireFox]

Suicide prevention campaigners keep demanding SS and other fourms equivalent be shut down. Shut down suicide websites does not work and all these campaigners are doing is wasting time.

1) In the age of advancing technology new online underground communities keep getting formed and its getting harder for the public, media and police to find. This happens all the time. Reddit shut down r/mgtow despite this many online underground incel communities still exist. The same also happened with r/gendercritcal despite its removal many gc feminist communities exist with their members promoting their prejudice towards transpeople. All its takes is knowing a person or opportunity to give you access to such a platform. The dark Web also provides a wider platform of information.

If this website was to shut down today another website equivalent will get created.

2) People do not need suicide websites fourms to get information about methods. When I was a teenage girl I came across a blog written by a man which provides information on how a person can successfully kill themselves using carbon monoxide and the poor man actually died. He used to be a composer and suffered from terminal lung cancer. The man's blog is still accessible to the general public. His name was Jerry hunt. At 19 years old I was so shaken reading his blog.

There multiple ways an individual can acess information about suicide methods without belonging to a suicide fourm. Individuals can find scientific information about particular substances they want to use for their chosen method to end their life.

Suicide prevention campaigners should be focusing on fighting to reform the broken mental health care system which is inaccessible to the general public. Here in my country people face very long NHS waiting lists for mental health treatments. Campaingers should be also working to alleviate social inequalities which are causing people suffering and distress.

I also believe if we had a better world suicide would be the exception and not the norm.

 

[TAW122]

Suicide prevention campaigners should be focusing on fighting to reform the broken mental health care system which is inaccessible to the general public. Here in my country people face very long NHS waiting lists for mental health treatments. Campaingers should be also working to alleviate social inequalities which are causing people suffering and distress.

This is pretty much spot on, well said! By fixing the broken mental health care system, those who wish to seek help will be able to get help (and I don't mean forced help or coercion to seek help, but voluntarily and by the individual's free will). Then also solving social inequalities and other systemic issues in society (I know it's easier said than done) will greatly improve the quality of life for many people. Sure, while it won't stop the people who wish to CTB for personal, philosophical reasons, it would certainly help reduce the amount of attempts and amount of people who die by CTB.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I also believe if we had a better world suicide would be the exception and not the norm.

Indeed, this is true! I fully agree with this.

 

[SpiderLink]

Agreed! This world could be better, and unless you're someone that was suicidal, and you're doing better now then I think they can speak for suicide prevention, but not with toxic positivity just like others. It honestly depends, and I feel people don't look at the bigger problem.

 

[ringo99]

I agree. Hiding problems does not make them go away.

 

[FireFox]

Indeed, this is true! I fully agree with this.

@Praestat_Mori We live in a dark and broken world. Why should a person live in a world where nobody cares about them nor respects them and the entire system fails to help them with their problems. Its is inevitable people will kill themselves to escape living in this world.

If we had more compassionate society that actually treated human beings with dignity and actually cared to help people with their problems suicide would be the exception not the norm.

People suffer because of pain and hurt caused by other people in our world.

I agree. Hiding problems does not make them go away.

@ringo99 Exactly we need to look at the root of the problem. There is many factors that led people to suicide

● Bullying: Majority of teens and the youth that kill themselves bullying at school is a huge factor. Schools when it comes to bullying do not take it seriously. When I was builled at school the teachers punished me when I fought back against the arseholes bullying me. There needs to be tougher penalties for these arseholes who do bullying. Bullying ruins lives

● Child sexual Abuse is still a massive taboo in society and many victims are still suffering from the pain which lasts a lifetime. The legal system fails to punish the abusers and the abusers end up are mixing with the public. This is how more children end up getting abused. If we had a better legal system there would be less abusers on the streets

● Financial problems especially as we have a broken economy where the cost of living is going up and people's wages are no longer enough to pay for living costs and help look after their kids or other people who depend on them

● Prejudices and discrimination. Lgbt people do have high rates of suicides because of the rejection they face from their families and exclusion from their local communities in addition to harassment and abuse. The legal system fails to punish the abusers who harass lgbt people

The list is endless. Suicide prevention campaigners need to be focusing on how to fix these issues. One issue at a time. We need practical solutions to deal with the problems of the 21st century.

Agreed! This world could be better, and unless you're someone that was suicidal, and you're doing better now then I think they can speak for suicide prevention, but not with toxic positivity just like others. It honestly depends, and I feel people don't look at the bigger problem.

@SpiderLink My problem with suicide prevention campaigns is they keep using that fucking irritating pharse " just reach out". The problem is when suicidal people reach out they get fucking judged, told they are "selfish", "weak" and its all emotional world war 3. Emotional world war 3 is a term I made up.

My family don't even know I am suicidal and I will never ever reach out to my family because it will be emotional world war 3 in which my mum will be giving me a hard time like she does with everything else. My mum loses her shit if I stay at up 7.00am or if I didn't finish a meal. Oh my god. Its a nightmare to deal with. My mum doesn't see anything wrong with her behaviour. I am 26 but she doesn't want me to grow up.

Suicide prevention campaigns need to adopt a new phase which "you need to listen to your loved ones when they are crying for help"

 

[jasmineck]

Hello I want to know that does authority know who run this website or not

 

[Little_Suzy]

People have been committing suicide for centuries without the use of the Internet. People who oppose suicide should go get a life! People should support causes they enjoy, not those they don't. lol

Omg, you talk about your mom, like most 26 year old talk about their spouse! I would only live with my parents if they were supportive. Mentally ill people need a strong support system to thrive. I've always lived alone since insomnia makes it difficult to live with others. Staying up till 7 a.m. isn't always a choice. Insomnia is awful!

 

[estadiare]

I have an anonymized archive of most of the posts until 2022, if this site goes down i can upload it tor

 

[enditall222]

Agreed, although this site has helped me find out about certain methods like SWB and partial hanging. Also, I feel if the internet in general was just more open to people talking about suicide without the threat censorship or an overflow of toxic positivity, I think sites like these won't even be needed for suicidal people to vent out their frustrations and thoughts

 

[Goodgirlryeo101]

Agreed, although this site has helped me find out about certain methods like SWB and partial hanging. Also, I feel if the internet in general was just more open to people talking about suicide without the threat censorship or an overflow of toxic positivity, I think sites like these won't even be needed for suicidal people to vent out their frustrations and thoughts

What's SWBus if you don't mind me asking…

 

[Forever Sleep]

Yeah, true. I think the first I heard of SN was via The New York Times article. I also remember seeing a photograph of a full suicide kit in a police report I think it was- including anti-emetics- long before I found this place. Kind of ironic really that they weren't so bothered about not revealing sources and methods.

Plus- I think this place is so misrepresented so much of the time. I WOULD understand their concern if this truly was a death cult. People don't coerce one another here though. I suppose it isn't the most positive place to hang out and all the normies probably think the bullshit glossy lives boasted about on social media are better for people's mental health. (I'd disagree.)

They REALLY don't seem to appreciate what a support network this is for people though. This place is KEEPING some people alive! While they like to pretend that we can just reach out and help will be there- the fact is- that most people don't want to hear about our struggles. When people do reach out- either professionally or to friends and family- the results quite often aren't very sympathetic or helpful. The results can quite often be extreme in fact and make things worse. Do they REALLY think it will help to shut down places like this and make already isolated people even more isolated? Their solution to suicidal feelings actually seems to be more along the lines of- we don't talk about them- from what I've seen anyhow. Like repression ever works...

 

[enditall222]

What's SWBus if you don't mind me asking…

Shallow water blackout

 

[charlotte_]

I fully agree, suicide forums are created because, well, people are suicidal. Without this website, nothing changes, just a more uncomfortable environment to be suicidal in and possibly a worse death/injury. People join these kinda websites because they want to talk about suicide/suicde methods. Almost anyone who's pro-life wouldn't be here. Shutting down websites is just a lazy act of avoiding responsibilities, definitely not gonna do much in the further future.

 

[FuneralCry]

It's really disgusting and cruel to try and restrict people's access to suicide method information, the problem lies in the fact that other people wish to make us prisoners to this existence until we just die anyway but of course I believe it's true that there will always be information about suicide methods somewhere no matter what on the internet as suicide is a perfectly logical decision in this world.

I think that when to die solves all problems and prevents all future suffering then to me it would make sense to want to take control over my inevitable fate, I see no benefit to this futile process of slowly dying. And existence can get unbearable even beyond how one can imagine so therefore the right to die is certainly important in this world, humans deserve the option of a way to peacefully escape from all the suffering that existing brings. I bet that many of those who try to restrict suicide method information will someday regret it when they are being tortured by health problems, every human will age and deteriorate, it's just inevitable, we are all destined to suffer.

 

[Rational man]

Thought provoking article, thanks. I suppose the authorities do not consider that this site, for example, actually saves lives in some cases by proactively reflecting a dialogue that may ask the reader to think again before making a decision. And if the authorities where to shut down sites, large swathes of the web would be shut down because of the atrocious bullying, harrassment, scamming, etc that has driven many people into a dark place. Notwithstanding, this talk of life's sanctity is all well and good but seriously, when governments fail to act or fail accordingly with the larger issues of wars, injustice, health, poverty, employment, housing, etc, that effect people like us; then the governments are little more than puppet hypocrites.