[Article] Why pro-psych advocates are wrong and arguing in bad faith about how “CTB is treated like an medical issue/emergency!”

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Throughout many years as I was debunking arguments as well as coming across various threads on different platforms on the Internet (Reddit, other MHP platforms, other blogs, etc.), one of the most bad faith arguments that was made by pro-psychiatry and pro-psychotherapy advocates or people are that "[The act of] CTB is a medical emergency!". Technically, things that result in death and/or severe injuries (especially if someone doesn't wish to die for instance, such as a heart-attack, or severe blood loss whatever the cause, or any other thing that causes physical harm for said individual), would indeed be a medical emergency in need of imminent and immediate medical attention.

However, the real issue is how these pro-psychiatry and pro-psychotherapy advocates take the act of CTB, especially for individuals that have made up their minds and unilaterally decided that the cost of continued sentience (or one's individual life itself) is not worth the price for oneself to continue to do so and decides it is better for said individual to check out (on said individual's own terms), then these pro-psych (both psychiatry and psychotherapy) advocates will aim to treat the act as an emergency even if said individual has yet to do anything (but either hinted or is thinking of doing said act) and such assertions and prejudiced assumptions are based on hasty generalizations of actual irrational actors, and then unfalsifiable, infallible circular reasoning that cannot be disproven (it's all up to the people who are in power to decide using a 'subjective' criteria only to what they believe to be).

This infact, proves that most 'suicide prevention' policies and efforts (especially actual intervention including the use of physical force, incarceration, and/or actively interfering with an individual's attempt) are akin to those of blasphemy laws of the older times. It isn't done because of an actual harm, but rather even suspected potential for actual harm.

For example, suppose the act of physically ripping/tearing a piece of paper (that was going to be binned/trashed and either burned or put into a landfill) offends some people (there is at least more than zero people in this world who may take some 'offense' to doing that versus crumpling paper/folding paper/cutting the piece of paper itself), it really affects nobody (e.g. an particular odd individual(s) who gets offended at witnessing or learning of that someone else tear/ripped the paper to shreds versus using a shredding machine or cutting the paper with scissors). The point of the example, isn't that the paper was going to be binned/trashed, but the method/manner of how it was 'disposed' even if the outcome or end goal was the same! Therefore if those said offended people (more than zero) decided to label paper rippers/tearers as irrational, it would just be both an unfalsifiable, infallible circular reasoning based on the prejudice against paper rippers/tearers. Then it would also be a pathologication of the act of ripping paper instead of cutting/shredding (through a machine)/crumpling said piece of paper. As ridiculous as the example may be, the core argument is about the unfalsifiable circular logic and reasoning based on prejudice against a certain label of group of people as well as the pathologication of certain normal (non-medical actions) just based on one's own autonomy [to rip/tear a piece of paper]!

So back to the main counterargument about the right to die and act of CTB (suicide) itself. The act of suicide itself is considered one of the most difficult and courageous acts that an individual can take, especially when fighting against one's own survival instinct/self-preservation instinct, but the pro-psych advocates like to pathologize what is considered one of the ultimate acts of self determination while also relying on unfalsifiable circular logic predicated on existing prejudices and discriminatory views on 'said group of people'. In the end, while any meaningful change is not likely to happen anytime soon, at least this article will debunk and expose the callous, bad faith, and disingenuous argument that pro-psych advocates (who are also forced-lifers too) use! Furthermore, to bring light to why it is not only disingenuous, but also unethical for these people to not only presumptuously and hastily label those who are simply attempting to escape long term suffering unilaterally by one's own choice! Unlike a real medical emergency, the pathologization of the act of suicide (the ultimate act of self-deliverance and exercise of bodily autonomy, by determined and serious individuals) is not only immoral, but effectively an act of discrimination as well! Unfortunately such discrimination by society is not condemned like almost most other forms of such, but even sanctioned (said to be for one's own good…) as well, which makes the world we live in tyrannical by default as well!

 

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Yeah the laws are barbaric.. how the hell do they think police force and use of force makes the situation any better.. just make you more quiet about it.. if an officer comes around.. be calm.. be pleasant as you can manage and just say nope.. I'm fine.. trust a police officer as much as they trust you which is not at all.. but whatever you do don't start in with a cop.. you will always lose.. even if you end up winning in court. That's a long road.. never admit anything to them.. nothing.. take any feelings you have up with a doctor which is bad enough.. but if you feel like you have to share with an authority figure.. go to a doctor.. never ever trust the law.. with them.. you're always just fine.. because the laws are barbaric and are not in favor of the person with the health problem.. it's a health problem not a legal one usually.. I work in law and trust me.. it's a bunch of apes running the show.. this isn't legal advice I'm just saying.. never tell a cop how you feel about anything.. especially that.. cops are for emergency crazy situations only.. this isn't pro-doctor either.. They're not much better than cops but they're legally bound to keep your health under wraps.. and careful with them because they'll play victim and run to what.. a cop.. In short.. don't trust anybody.. they all have an agenda themselves.. they're all trying to limit liability at your high expense and cost in every way possible and they're all probably way worse humans than you can ever imagine being.. it's all broken.. for real.. the entire system up and down is completely fractured and what's worse is they don't even seem to care they're hobbling on their own broken legs.. or even realize it.. if anything get a lawyer.. they're soulless and don't care what you do as long as it doesn't effect them.. but at least there isn't any judgment.. and that will for sure protect you from those corrupt cops and doctors.. oh yeah.. the doctors and even worse the nurses judge.. you should see what these nurses say about psych patients on TikTok.. usually an overdramatized clip.. they just wear a mask of pretending to care about people and patients.. they care if you're having a heart attack. They don't care if you're having a mental health problem.. that's how little they still see mental health as a health issue.. for real.. get a good lawyer and screw the rest.. as if the dude eating two hamburgers a day for 30 years isn't slowly committing suicide for his widow maker but sure.. some suicide attempts are more socially acceptable and easier to swallow than others.. because you can rationalize away that its something else and not what it really is.. because they get to cry about the heart attack.. not the suicide attempt.. it's all fake.. have you never heard that morality has aesthetics to it.. don't think for one second anything about doctors or health care is moral.. because it's not.. but the suicide attempt of trying to hang yourself looks like a cockroach to them and the heart attack is their wittle butterfly.. especially to an er doc.. they're the worst.. for real a lawyer can help you navigate murky legal water without judgment.. get one of you can.. never trust the cops and don't trust the doctors.. trusting them is its own type of suicide.. being told as children that cops and doctors and those types are who you run to for a crisis or help as children is a worse lie than Santa Claus.. when the reality is they're almost as bad of a sad joke as any of us could ever imagine being.. even private healthcare gets government kickbacks somehow.. never trust the government.. doesn't matter if you're liberal or conservative.. stop trusting any of them.. a big problem with America right now is that their illusions are being destroyed by how corrupt the government really is.. it's not that they're unaware it's corrupt it's just being rubbed in their face that is that corrupt.. my problem isn't knowing it's corrupt.. kinda no shit.. it's just instead of actually showing real proof of any past corruption they're adding on to it with Interest instead of making past wrongs right and being that much more corrupt and were the ones paying the inflation of that.. and that's what any cop or doctor has been doing to any mental health patient since the dawn of time.. don't trust them with anything.. they're playing a game and leave the rules and fast and keep them out of your life as much as possible.. they don't care about you.. I don't even bother with my meds anymore.. what's the point. And even when I get half a care, I go to a general practitioner for my meds I refuse to see any mental health person if I don't have to.. they're all evil.. and it's literally less than five minutes.. I need this rx.. ok.. alright later asswipe.. see you in a year if I even give a shit.. Mental health in America is a scam.. they're all just nudging you to be on some pill for a big pharma kickback anyways.. if given half a chance they'll use it against you every time.. there is no point in trusting any of them.. trust me.. I've had my mental health used against me in divorce court.. it's brutal.. it's dehumanizing.. it's soul crushing and violating to an insane degree.. don't trust any of them.. get a good lawyer and stay away from the doctor and the cops and the rest.. lawyers can't break that confidentiality in court.. a judge can rule a doctor to tell all but they can't make your lawyer say anything.. it's laughable anybody thinks a doctor is ever on their side.. they really should stop telling kids that medical people are safe.. they aren't.. I've met plenty of nurses that are more mentally unstable and insane than I could ever imagine being.. and the doctors just don't care.. you just have to get to that place where you don't care either.. and that's just it isn't it.. that's the big mystery of it all.. if the medical staff and nurses are acting and behaving that unhinged half the time and are that cruel and unfeeling.. and the doctors just outright don't care.. why are we bothering ourselves at all.. the cop are always the typical cop out.. just stop caring.. who care about the meds or the coping mechanisms.. if you're really there.. just sleep until you've had enough one day and end it.. I love sleep.. it's like being dead without having to commit or put all the energy into dying.. my only prayer anymore is that I'll die before I wake when I fall asleep.. just for everybody's "full transparency".. doctors always just loooove when an idiot gets me on my worst behavior.. because I ain't afraid to full throttle it.. and im so lawyered up nobody dare mess around with me.. in short.. get the lawyer.. thank me later.. unfortunately I got my lawyers the hard way.. I had work for them first.. but I say it's well overdue that suicide gets its bar.. get real legislation eventually that if it's clear it's hopeless.. why not let somebody end it humanely and painlessly.. but try telling a conservative Christian that.. they can't even stomach cell clusters of potential unwanted children and humans being terminated.. let alone a whole entire adult human ending it.. no can't have that.. keep them alive and then shame them forever with the pain.. gotta keep our human punching bags alive don't we.. because we can't live with the guilt.. of their death.. even though we couldn't figure out how to make life a better option.. not without a trillion stupid cop out obstacles of hypocrisy.. and if we're all dead one day.. who is left alive to punch.. because then they'll have to turn that mirror onto themselves and deal with who they are too.. no worries.. I'm not as cynical as you might think even though suicidal.. I still forgive the Christian for turning to Jesus instead of working on themselves.. as you can tell.. my doctors and I don't fight to the death at alllll.. never.. not me.. I like to think of myself as their richly deserved karma.. just whatever you don't ever let them paint your fear of pain from dying as ego.. because it's just fear.. and sometimes a spade is a spade.. but for them it's ego for liability reasons.. of course.. because that's never egotistical.. not a doctor.. not medicine.. say it ain't so.. I always love when I come in entirely bottomed out and they always assume drugs because a bottomed out MDD looks real rough.. and I always test negative for drugs.. and I always get that last laugh.. and see.. that's how little they really know or recognize anything for real.. just goes to show they really don't know anything at all.. they're just pissing in the wind and pretending they aren't.. they'll rationalize anything else because for forbid they have to fathom the human mind in the deep dark of a place.. and they have to do something about it.. even though the level of debt they took on to do just that is what I'm called in for.. I hate doctors more than cops and I hate cops.. medical people and Human Resources are the worst people in the world..