RainAndSadness
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- Jun 12, 2018
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Hello everyone.
Just recently law enforcement all over the world apparently(?) thought it would be a great idea to send police officers to innocent and law-abiding citizens who obtained a legal product to scare them into submission. Not only does that NOT give us the impression that you care about us, it's also very obvious this was done as an act of intimidation to scare people into not buying that product ever again - given some of these visits were done in the deepest nights when people still were sleeping. And who even came up with the idea to let police officers do welfare checks in the first place given most of the time they're targeting vulnerable people and I don't think police officers are equippied to handle such sensitive topics in the first place. Here is a nice little video of police officers performing a "welfare check" on a trans individual who was considered suicidal, breaking into their house, guns drawn. Does that look like care? No, it's insane, I'm not gonna lie and while I'm totally aware that this might be a scenario unique to the US and that welfare checks in other countries are performed differently, I still don't think police officers - even when they're not breaking into your house with guns drawn, ready to shoot you down - should perform this kind of activity.
This is tyranny, play and simple. I know what they're doing. Plenty of members in this forum reported a worsening of their mental health as a direct result of these police visits. You can read so many posts here of members explaining how these visits negatively impacted their mental health and added unncessary stress to their life. These visits can be very traumatic to sensitive and vulnerable people. It's completely normal to feel violated and unsafe even in your own home after such an incident and again, we're talking about a legal substance here. Nobody who received these visits committed a crime. Was this really necessary? And if you think someone is in danger because they're not in a healthy mindset, you don't send the fucking police to handle the situation because they're not equipped to deal with such situations, let alone people who might go through a difficult time, you send mental health workers to talk to them and defuse and soothe the situation in a smart and empathic way. Is that a controversial take?
And this doesn't just affect Sanctioned Suicide, it also affects Exit members and they have a significantly older demographic than us. That makes it clear, these actions weren't just targeted at "young and vulnerable" people, which is a bit odd because The Times claimed that product was only sold to young people specifically in their title. But I'm not surprised they even took that product away from elderly people, look - at the end of the day, they will always use the narrative that we need to protect "young and vulnerable people" as a trojan horse to target and slowly chip away the individual autonomy of every single adult person. And it's not the first time this happened, the Online Safety Bill (especially the "harmful but legal" clause) was framed as an attempt to protect "young and vulnerable people" but they simply tried to censor the internet (including this forum) for all users regardless of age and maturity. And that's why it failed. The reality is, it doesn't matter if you're 25 years or 60 years old. I've been saying this for years. It's simply a facade. These visits weren't an act of love and care for vulnerable people, this was an attack on individual autonomy, plain and simple. It looks like goverments simply don't like your individual autonomy, which you exercised in this particular case to purchase a substance that was important to you for deeply personal reasons, regardless(!) of your intellectual maturity, your mental capacity or your ability to consent to your actions. None(!) of these things mattered in these so-called "welfare checks".
It's also quite odd how the people who want to take down this forum because they care so much about "young and vulnerable people" actually celebrated these welfare checks done by the police. As I said previously, this is very problematic. Again, just read the posts from people that received these visits. If you really believe the people who use this forum are vulnerable and need protection at all costs from harm, then why are you celebrating such intimidating actions that cause distress and a sense of insecurity? These welfare checks didn't do anyone a favor because they were performed to take away a legal substance from people without their consent and nobody appreciates that. Actually, they love to send the police to people without knowing their circumstances - which again does more harm than good and sometimes they use these authorities to intimidate members of our community who challenge their hateful bigotry on Twitter. But then again, you can make up your own mind if these people "care" for you.
I also saw articles basically treating us as terrorists, suggesting people in this forum "encourage" the use of that product here. That's absolutely laughable, it's the same old "suicide-encouraging cult doing bad things" nonsense that has been repeated to death at this point. Yeah, just ignore the principles of this forum, it's not like you can literally read this here. That would be too easy, right? And let's be honest, "a place that allows you to discuss deeply personal topics from a pro-choice perspective, without a forced narrative and censorship" wouldn't create the same outrage as the chosen title, right? It's all about sensationalizing issues that aren't actually that outrageous (it also makes more money). Oh how dare autonomous adults discuss serious topics concerning their own welfare online, fast, someone stop them already! Look, it's very easy. We're struggling people simply trying to live our own life according to our own terms, making decisions that we believe act in our best interest, period. And some of these decisions include buying a legal substance. Scary, right? Give me a break.
So yeah. I'm not surprised. The way society handles this situation, the way society handles this forum, the way society handles very serious topics discussed in this forum... it's all just disappointing but we already know that, everyone here does. If we didn't we wouldn't be in this forum. And that's the point. We're all here for a reason. These people don't understand and I don't think they'll ever understand. But I really hope things will change someday in the distant future and I hope people will ask themselves why does a community like ours exist? Why does it have to exist?I hope we will find better ways to solve suffering on this planet than taking away people's freedom. I really hope so, that would allow every single one of us to live better lives. Because doing the same crazy shit over and over again - and we've been doing that for decades that - and expecting different results, that's not really working well, right? And it hasn't worked well in the past. Just some food for thought. And if you really think the forum is the cause for all the bad things in this world and not merely a symptom of a sick society, well.... You have a brain. I suggest you use it.
I'm out.
Just recently law enforcement all over the world apparently(?) thought it would be a great idea to send police officers to innocent and law-abiding citizens who obtained a legal product to scare them into submission. Not only does that NOT give us the impression that you care about us, it's also very obvious this was done as an act of intimidation to scare people into not buying that product ever again - given some of these visits were done in the deepest nights when people still were sleeping. And who even came up with the idea to let police officers do welfare checks in the first place given most of the time they're targeting vulnerable people and I don't think police officers are equippied to handle such sensitive topics in the first place. Here is a nice little video of police officers performing a "welfare check" on a trans individual who was considered suicidal, breaking into their house, guns drawn. Does that look like care? No, it's insane, I'm not gonna lie and while I'm totally aware that this might be a scenario unique to the US and that welfare checks in other countries are performed differently, I still don't think police officers - even when they're not breaking into your house with guns drawn, ready to shoot you down - should perform this kind of activity.
This is tyranny, play and simple. I know what they're doing. Plenty of members in this forum reported a worsening of their mental health as a direct result of these police visits. You can read so many posts here of members explaining how these visits negatively impacted their mental health and added unncessary stress to their life. These visits can be very traumatic to sensitive and vulnerable people. It's completely normal to feel violated and unsafe even in your own home after such an incident and again, we're talking about a legal substance here. Nobody who received these visits committed a crime. Was this really necessary? And if you think someone is in danger because they're not in a healthy mindset, you don't send the fucking police to handle the situation because they're not equipped to deal with such situations, let alone people who might go through a difficult time, you send mental health workers to talk to them and defuse and soothe the situation in a smart and empathic way. Is that a controversial take?
And this doesn't just affect Sanctioned Suicide, it also affects Exit members and they have a significantly older demographic than us. That makes it clear, these actions weren't just targeted at "young and vulnerable" people, which is a bit odd because The Times claimed that product was only sold to young people specifically in their title. But I'm not surprised they even took that product away from elderly people, look - at the end of the day, they will always use the narrative that we need to protect "young and vulnerable people" as a trojan horse to target and slowly chip away the individual autonomy of every single adult person. And it's not the first time this happened, the Online Safety Bill (especially the "harmful but legal" clause) was framed as an attempt to protect "young and vulnerable people" but they simply tried to censor the internet (including this forum) for all users regardless of age and maturity. And that's why it failed. The reality is, it doesn't matter if you're 25 years or 60 years old. I've been saying this for years. It's simply a facade. These visits weren't an act of love and care for vulnerable people, this was an attack on individual autonomy, plain and simple. It looks like goverments simply don't like your individual autonomy, which you exercised in this particular case to purchase a substance that was important to you for deeply personal reasons, regardless(!) of your intellectual maturity, your mental capacity or your ability to consent to your actions. None(!) of these things mattered in these so-called "welfare checks".
It's also quite odd how the people who want to take down this forum because they care so much about "young and vulnerable people" actually celebrated these welfare checks done by the police. As I said previously, this is very problematic. Again, just read the posts from people that received these visits. If you really believe the people who use this forum are vulnerable and need protection at all costs from harm, then why are you celebrating such intimidating actions that cause distress and a sense of insecurity? These welfare checks didn't do anyone a favor because they were performed to take away a legal substance from people without their consent and nobody appreciates that. Actually, they love to send the police to people without knowing their circumstances - which again does more harm than good and sometimes they use these authorities to intimidate members of our community who challenge their hateful bigotry on Twitter. But then again, you can make up your own mind if these people "care" for you.
I also saw articles basically treating us as terrorists, suggesting people in this forum "encourage" the use of that product here. That's absolutely laughable, it's the same old "suicide-encouraging cult doing bad things" nonsense that has been repeated to death at this point. Yeah, just ignore the principles of this forum, it's not like you can literally read this here. That would be too easy, right? And let's be honest, "a place that allows you to discuss deeply personal topics from a pro-choice perspective, without a forced narrative and censorship" wouldn't create the same outrage as the chosen title, right? It's all about sensationalizing issues that aren't actually that outrageous (it also makes more money). Oh how dare autonomous adults discuss serious topics concerning their own welfare online, fast, someone stop them already! Look, it's very easy. We're struggling people simply trying to live our own life according to our own terms, making decisions that we believe act in our best interest, period. And some of these decisions include buying a legal substance. Scary, right? Give me a break.
So yeah. I'm not surprised. The way society handles this situation, the way society handles this forum, the way society handles very serious topics discussed in this forum... it's all just disappointing but we already know that, everyone here does. If we didn't we wouldn't be in this forum. And that's the point. We're all here for a reason. These people don't understand and I don't think they'll ever understand. But I really hope things will change someday in the distant future and I hope people will ask themselves why does a community like ours exist? Why does it have to exist?I hope we will find better ways to solve suffering on this planet than taking away people's freedom. I really hope so, that would allow every single one of us to live better lives. Because doing the same crazy shit over and over again - and we've been doing that for decades that - and expecting different results, that's not really working well, right? And it hasn't worked well in the past. Just some food for thought. And if you really think the forum is the cause for all the bad things in this world and not merely a symptom of a sick society, well.... You have a brain. I suggest you use it.
I'm out.
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the po lice as they called in the us or the po po can suck a lemon, sideways 
just feel so so tired of everything, cant be alone in that, i mean we knew the purpose of there visits was to cause more distress, having a browse on here suggests most of these visits were conducted in an almost aggressive tone, where they werent even subtle in suggesting otherwise, i know mine werent subtle, mind you nor was i, had enough of em, and everything else besides, thank you again for this post
