SaSu on BBC News

[voyager]

No, I didn't. I said we can't blame relatives "for being angry and unsympathetic". That does not imply any way of expressing those feelings, nothing beyond merely having those feelings. People will feel what they feel; actions are what matters (which was not what I had in mind). You read more into it. Besides, there are more relatives affected than the contingent of relatives who mobilized against this site. I have seen sentiments expressed to the effect that they have no right to feel angry or even genuine confusion as to why people oppose this site. And yes I am familiar with the history of this site.



I meant everything I said broadly from the beginning. You can accuse me of lack of clarity but don't accuse me of backtracking to save face. The first part of my comment was responding to your comment, the second part was a general statement defending the right of the bereaved to feel what they feel (a right often challenged), which related to the thread as a whole and to a perennial issue affecting this site. Even if it is true that most people are failed assumptions are still sloppy thinking that should not be coddled no matter how understandable is why we people make them (and we are all susceptible to them). I get why you want me to provide receipts but I'm not going to go digging looking for specific comments. As you can see by my stats I have been an active participant on the forum for a while (as well as on the Reddit incarnation) and this is what I have observed. There is an undercurrent of immaturity here in how people approach the topic of suicide and I find it troubling. And yes I do consider this place my home of sorts and won't hesitate to defend it. But I stand by the idea that we all should strive to avoid intellectual laziness and as an intellectual and emotional minority we have more of a burden to do so. Unfair, but that's the way it is.

Do you see what I mean?

But I don't want to quarrel with you.

Fair enough, and I'll try to make this brief, because the discussion seems to be heading elsewhere. Up front, we probably won't come to an agreement on this, but that's perfectly fine and there's no quarrel.

You mentioned meaning it broadly from the beginning, I accept that, and I too will now make a broad assumption. Like you, I won't go to the lengths of providing footnotes for this either, but I'll mention one thread I was a participant in a few weeks ago and the question was something along the lines of "should I share my desire to ctb with a friend". The last I checked there had been 37 replies, all of which categorically said no. Some even suggested that one runs risk of getting reported and sent to a ward. As stated before, to me this suggests one thing and that is that most people here were alienated in reality from society, friends and relatives by this obtuse behaviour and stubborn rejection of the subject in general. Kelli/Cathy may be an extreme example, but Shawn's parents weren't much better in their assessment of her situation, and I do feel, broadly speaking, this goes for almost everyone. These people are completely delusional.

Some may now say we should be cautious of drawing a line in the sand as in us against them, but it's not our behaviour that led to this. Many of us have tried in meticulous detail and plenty of effort to find some understanding with people in reality, but were categorically turned down. Apart from means to end one's life, most people come and stay here for comfort, because they find a level of understanding and sympathy here which they won't find anywhere else, and of course an honest respect towards their right as individuals to make their decision on their life.

You say this irrational behaviour begins with the trauma of their close one's suicide, I say this irrational behaviour was evident all along and it's ultimately the suicide, and thereby this forum, which they then use to continue their delusions to not fault themselves or face the reality per se, and this is encouraged by a society which failed the suicidal just as much. Because it's not just the grieving parents et al which are showing this behaviour, something one might understand, but practically the whole of society at large. The press, police, public, politics, pharma industry and of course the medical community are a testament to this. What justified reason do they have for such irrational behaviour? None whatsoever.

To me, these are the main reasons everyone projects their anger at this forum and peaceful methods in general.

Final words, it wasn't my intent to question your credentials, I'd tell you the same thing if you had signed up yesterday, but I did notice that you had been in the founders' thread, where you said something along the lines of "you think the NYT may have been the reason", so assumed that you weren't here, hope that explains it.

You're right that we shouldn't encourage intellectual laziness and present ourselves as proper as we can, but I also believe, they're not going to listen anyway, which is why we should never cater to them, but hold fast to our beliefs.

As for maturity on suicide, perhaps, but just speaking for myself, I'm too far gone to take this shit show serious anymore, nevertheless do refrain from voicing my disillusionment at every given incident, because sometimes it's a personal journey one has to experience for oneself. Life can be good, providing the right conditions, but that's ultimately for everyone to decide for themselves.

 

[Disappointered]

The weirdest part of this recent low-grade opportunism in the magical world of journalism is that there is no attempt to offer any fundamental reasons for opposing suicide. Are we all still subscribing to a religion? I thought that was considered a bit intellectually inferior these days and that we'd moved on to embrace scientific skepticism. That leaves nothing solid as far as reasons to be opposed to suicide but the strangely overbearing journalist insisted that people just work with an out of date premise regardless (almost as though he were bullying the viewers into following his behavioural cues so that he might get a promotion, like "don't ruin this for me viewers, this is my last chance at winning a journalism award"). Suicide, which is only the dignified hastening of something inevitable, was turned into a bizarre form of desperate shock porn through the exploitation of grieving family members and the now very unoriginal, baseless attack on this website.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Fair enough, and I'll try to make this brief, because the discussion seems to be heading elsewhere. Up front, we probably won't come to an agreement on this, but that's perfectly fine and there's no quarrel.

You mentioned meaning it broadly from the beginning, I accept that, and I too will now make a broad assumption. Like you, I won't go to the lengths of providing footnotes for this either, but I'll mention one thread I was a participant in a few weeks ago and the question was something along the lines of "should I share my desire to ctb with a friend". The last I checked there had been 37 replies, all of which categorically said no. Some even suggested that one runs risk of getting reported and sent to a ward. As stated before, to me this suggests one thing and that is that most people here were alienated in reality from society, friends and relatives by this obtuse behaviour and stubborn rejection of the subject in general. Kelli/Cathy may be an extreme example, but Shawn's parents weren't much better in their assessment of her situation, and I do feel, broadly speaking, this goes for almost everyone. These people are completely delusional.

Some may now say we should be cautious of drawing a line in the sand as in us against them, but it's not our behaviour that led to this. Many of us have tried in meticulous detail and plenty of effort to find some understanding with people in reality, but were categorically turned down. Apart from means to end one's life, most people come and stay here for comfort, because they find a level of understanding and sympathy here which they won't find anywhere else, and of course an honest respect towards their right as individuals to make their decision on their life.

You say this irrational behaviour begins with the trauma of their close one's suicide, I say this irrational behaviour was evident all along and it's ultimately the suicide, and thereby this forum, which they then use to continue their delusions to not fault themselves or face the reality per se, and this is encouraged by a society which failed the suicidal just as much. Because it's not just the grieving parents et al which are showing this behaviour, something one might understand, but practically the whole of society at large. The press, police, public, politics, pharma industry and of course the medical community are a testament to this. What justified reason do they have for such irrational behaviour? None whatsoever.

To me, these are the main reasons everyone projects their anger at this forum and peaceful methods in general.

Final words, it wasn't my intent to question your credentials, I'd tell you the same thing if you had signed up yesterday, but I did notice that you had been in the founders' thread, where you said something along the lines of "you think the NYT may have been the reason", so assumed that you weren't here, hope that explains it.

You're right that we shouldn't encourage intellectual laziness and present ourselves as proper as we can, but I also believe, they're not going to listen anyway, which is why we should never cater to them, but hold fast to our beliefs.

As for maturity on suicide, perhaps, but just speaking for myself, I'm too far gone to take this shit show serious anymore, nevertheless do refrain from voicing my disillusionment at every given incident, because sometimes it's a personal journey one has to experience for oneself. Life can be good, providing the right conditions, but that's ultimately for everyone to decide for themselves.

I don't know; this may be a cop-out but I hope to be dead soon, which means all the endless squabbles of man and beast will fade into irrelevance.

 

[voyager]

I don't know; this may be a cop-out but I hope to be dead soon, which means all the endless squabbles of man and beast will fade into irrelevance.

Now that we can agree on!

 

[lionetta12]

I've been listening to about it on the radio and here is a link to an article.

BBC News - 'Failure to act' on suicide website linked to 50 UK deaths

'Failure to act' on suicide website linked to 50 UK deaths

Families are angry at the lack of action to shut it, despite multiple concerns from police and coroners.

www.bbc.co.uk

I usually read BBC news every day, but the past couple weeks I didn't so I missed this article.

While I always find it sad whenever someone's life comes to an end, regardless of the reason behind why it ended, I do not think that most people understand that there's such a stigma and a deep level of discomfort for most people in society to talk about and listen to suicidal people. This is an outlet for discussing that openly without being judged and making someone accidently uncomfortable. I've personally struggled with my own medical specialists becoming extremely uncomfortable when I discussed suicidal wishes with them and when I explained my childhood, because it's too difficult for them to comprehend and listen to all the inhumane and vile things I've been through. There's not really any other places for me to talk about that so if this forum is shut down, that would be very sad for many people. Unless you've ever felt and experienced true suicidality, you don't understand what it's like to meet or talk to someone else who gets it and who truly comprehends what you are going through. Talking to people who don't understand, who throw easy and already tried solutions at me, and who speak down at me, does not help me feel better, it actually makes me more suicidal and makes me feel a lot more lonely when it comes to those thoughts. I feel better and a heavy relief when I talk to a person that understands and know what it's like.

However, I do suggest for those who are in recovery or those who are trying to live, but that still want to be able to talk about these topics without fearing judgement and without accidently traumatizing someone, to join local and/or national right to die/assisted suicide organizations. I've done so last year and I think that is a great alternative to this forum, for me personally, and I feel that it might be for others like me who are trying to recover but still has wishes for people to gain rights and awknowledgement regarding their own life and the topic of death.

 

[tiger b]

Latest BBC Article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67374129

Suicide forum blocked to most UK users after Ofcom pressure

A pro-suicide forum has restricted access to users in the UK following pressure from the online regulator.
The forum, which we are not naming, has been linked to more than 50 UK deaths - its content was previously available online without any restrictions.
Following an investigation by BBC News, the UK regulator Ofcom now says it has contacted administrators for the site, thought to be based in the US.
The forum can now only be viewed by UK users already signed up as members.
Ofcom took responsibility for harmful online content when the Online Safety Act became law last month. "As part of our work under the new regime we have been in contact with this website," a spokesman confirmed.
Anyone visiting the site, which promotes suicide, is now met with a banner saying content that violates the UK's new Online Safety Act will not be viewable to the public.
"We've made the decision to make all content unavailable in the UK for the time being," the banner reads.
It is unclear whether new users from the UK can still apply for membership. Existing members in the UK do still have access.
Last month, BBC News revealed how UK authorities had failed to act on multiple official warnings about the website.
Our investigation identified multiple warnings to the UK government by coroners and a number of police investigations, but the forum remained active.
Last week, leading broadband providers began to block the website for customers.

Do the right thing

"They're definitely feeling the pressure and rightly so," said Melanie Saville, whose brother-in-law, Joe Nihill, took his own life after spending time on the forum, in 2020.
"It's a step in the right direction, but the content still exists, it is still there to be found. They need to do the right thing and remove all the content and shut the site down."
Meanwhile, users of the forum itself have responded to the BBC investigation. Many expressed anger that British regulators are censoring content.
"The vast majority of users find this site supportive. While information is available on suicide methods, it's also an immense support for people who suffer from suicidal thoughts. It has kept me alive for a number of years now," one person wrote.
But others contacted the BBC agreeing with the need for regulation.
"I used this website obsessively whilst suicidal and depressed," a former user said. "Looking back, it was absolutely disgusting."
David Parfett's son, Tom, died after accessing the forum in 2021. "It's good that new users in the UK can't access the site," he told BBC News. "That will really make a difference. But I worry that it will just pop up again and again."
Mr Parfett is now working with Tech Against Terrorism, an organisation which aims to save lives and prevent harm by disrupting terrorist activity online.
It hopes to put pressure on the suicide forum's hosting company to remove it worldwide.
"Websites can be easily exploited to promote suicide and other online harms. There needs to be a shared approach to stop harmful actors while protecting fundamental freedoms such as freedom of expression," said the group's founder Adam Hadley.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Latest BBC Article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67374129

Suicide forum blocked to most UK users after Ofcom pressure

A pro-suicide forum has restricted access to users in the UK following pressure from the online regulator.
The forum, which we are not naming, has been linked to more than 50 UK deaths - its content was previously available online without any restrictions.
Following an investigation by BBC News, the UK regulator Ofcom now says it has contacted administrators for the site, thought to be based in the US.
The forum can now only be viewed by UK users already signed up as members.
Ofcom took responsibility for harmful online content when the Online Safety Act became law last month. "As part of our work under the new regime we have been in contact with this website," a spokesman confirmed.
Anyone visiting the site, which promotes suicide, is now met with a banner saying content that violates the UK's new Online Safety Act will not be viewable to the public.
"We've made the decision to make all content unavailable in the UK for the time being," the banner reads.
It is unclear whether new users from the UK can still apply for membership. Existing members in the UK do still have access.
Last month, BBC News revealed how UK authorities had failed to act on multiple official warnings about the website.
Our investigation identified multiple warnings to the UK government by coroners and a number of police investigations, but the forum remained active.
Last week, leading broadband providers began to block the website for customers.

Do the right thing

"They're definitely feeling the pressure and rightly so," said Melanie Saville, whose brother-in-law, Joe Nihill, took his own life after spending time on the forum, in 2020.
"It's a step in the right direction, but the content still exists, it is still there to be found. They need to do the right thing and remove all the content and shut the site down."
Meanwhile, users of the forum itself have responded to the BBC investigation. Many expressed anger that British regulators are censoring content.
"The vast majority of users find this site supportive. While information is available on suicide methods, it's also an immense support for people who suffer from suicidal thoughts. It has kept me alive for a number of years now," one person wrote.
But others contacted the BBC agreeing with the need for regulation.
"I used this website obsessively whilst suicidal and depressed," a former user said. "Looking back, it was absolutely disgusting."
David Parfett's son, Tom, died after accessing the forum in 2021. "It's good that new users in the UK can't access the site," he told BBC News. "That will really make a difference. But I worry that it will just pop up again and again."
Mr Parfett is now working with Tech Against Terrorism, an organisation which aims to save lives and prevent harm by disrupting terrorist activity online.
It hopes to put pressure on the suicide forum's hosting company to remove it worldwide.
"Websites can be easily exploited to promote suicide and other online harms. There needs to be a shared approach to stop harmful actors while protecting fundamental freedoms such as freedom of expression," said the group's founder Adam Hadley.

What a piece of shit !!!!
Instead of fixing the reasons why people want to die, just shut down their access to the only support system they have.

I'm sure Joe is spinning in his grave being used as a poster boy for the anti choice movement.
I believe that part in his suicide note about shutting down SS is a LIE !!!
If he wanted SS shut down, I don't believe he would have chose to end it.

I can assure all members here that if someone pulls that shit if I CTB .... They are lying !!!
I will be happy to leave this SHITHOLE PLANET !!!!

Over 50 people are suspected of CTB from getting the information from this site. Which is available elsewhere online. Considering how many members there are on SS, it's like pissing in the ocean.
More people die in the US from mass shootings every year. (I'm never one of the lucky ones)
Societies demonization of SS as the problem will not stop Suicide. They just don't want to hold the mirror to close to their face and see the real problem !!!


"But others contacted the BBC agreeing with the need for regulation."
Obviously not members and probably never even heard of or visited this site before the article.
Most probably won't even check it out to see what it's really about.

 

[Seered Doom]

Sounds like tentafucker got his wish to come true. I HOPE HE'S PROUD OF HIMSELF ONCE HE SEES SUICIDE RATES GO UP FROM THIS

 

[mia_qwerty]

Suicide is definitely tragic and sad. But those who have their minds set that it's what they chose due to too much pain then they will do it anyway just in a more painful way. I'm grateful for this site that will hopefully bring me a more comfortable exit.

 

[Seered Doom]

Honestly, the fact this type of legislation even exists is a slippery slope fallacy all on its own

 

[Iamtired]

britain a fucking shithole country no wonder people kill themselves

You guys have better healthcare than the US. …..but yeah.

 

[sserafim]

Yay, we're famous! /s

 

[bagot77]

I bet all this publicity has led a lot more people to come here

 

[gbi2]

Last month, BBC News revealed how UK authorities had failed to act on multiple official warnings about the website.

A bit like failing to act on warnings about Saville.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Yay, we're famous! /s

I always wanted to be famous.... Just not broke and famous.

 

[wait.what]

The only part of this that gives me any satisfaction is that the BBC has finally taken this site's name out of its frothing little mouth. For weeks now, it's basically run a membership drive for this place. Among the reasons that's a problem is the fact that "Funny" little reality TV bits like Muppet Reporter chasing Marcus around are bread-and-butter viral entertainment for minors. Muppet even says multiple times that this place admits kids and teaches them how to kill themselves. What 14-year-old, suicidal or not, could resist checking out (Harry Potter And) The Amazing Haunted Website That Kills You? I will never, ever understand the thought process behind crying crocodile tears about "the poor babies" while simultaneously selling nickel-a-peek sideshow tickets to every kid who shows up.

I don't need to point out that our headaches will multiply exponentially if we get stuck playing "Catcher In The Rye," endlessly nabbing kids and showing them the door. In a sane world, we wouldn't be held responsible for the actions of other people's children who we interacted with briefly on a website where they claimed to be a 36-year-old man named Bill, but we do not live in a sane world.

Anyway—maybe people will finally leave us alone for 5 minutes. It's not like there aren't sufficient breadcrumbs out there for folks to follow if they feel they need to register here.

Also, I'd forgotten what a delight the ft26 crowd is. Founders of the world's only initiative to defend the dead from the evil depredations of the living.

 

[lebrodude]

I'm in the UK and didn't experience any problems getting on here over the past week.

So definitely some holes in whatever block there was.

 

[David8886]

Reports that the Chinese, Iranian and North Korean embassies have sought inspiration from the UK, the world leader in internet '(in)security' have yet to be established...

The bill, if anyone's interested. I'll wait until Nov 6, that seems to be a day of some reckoning.

https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3137

are you iranian