SaSu on BBC News

[Dying Knight]

It's time to investigate how many BBC visitors killed themselves because they were upset of reading their articles. Maybe BBC should be banned for spreading bad news.

 

[smokingfish99]

It's time to investigate how many BBC visitors killed themselves because they were upset of reading their articles. Maybe BBC should be banned for spreading bad news.

Can confirm I'm killing myself because of the state of the bbc

 

[ClownWorld2023]

I feel bad for Marcus.

Apparently, doxxing is fine if 'journalists' do it.

 

[Seered Doom]

BBC's article sucks at actual coverage and commentary. What a shocker to no one. Anyway, I dare the BBC to actually talk to a regular member on Sasu 1:1 on this site or even in a forum post instead of whatever that stalking was. It's like they don't know what they're actually talking about here. The site's main demographic is 20-60 from what I've seen so wtaf? Yeah, the minors have showed up here. You know who else has led them here? Your so called allies that made shitty videos on this site, BBC. Also BBC? More like B(B)S. Clearly they don't care about journalistic integrity so instead they replace it with corporatism, yellow journalism, and greed.

 

[voyager]

Not again - that was my first reaction seeing this thread earlier. Honestly can't be arsed to write a proper comment and the best arguments have already been shelled out by my "colleagues", but will just say here, I don't envy our former admins, Serge and Marquis, or our current one, RainAndSadness, in the least for having to go through this time and time again. But it's very much appreciated.

A while back, a Mum of a daughter who had CTB came on here. She was incredible. She was actually grateful that her daughter had found some comfort at the end. She was so brave and understanding.

Sounds amazing, bless her (link?). Reminds me of the the good people in "The Bridge" (2006) who despite suffering their loss came to understand what their child/loved one was going through and ultimately accepted that it was for the better. That is selfless love and caring. Nothing a pro-lifer could ever understand.

It's actually sad how they cited the OkComputer incident, the "child" they mentioned. There is nothing to confirm OkComputer was a child and I messaged him about it. If minors choose to lie, what can we do? Parents need to do their job.

Indeed (quick copy and paste). Everyone here has always tried to prevent incursions by minors, but ultimately, it's not our job to monitor other people's children. It's the guardian's job, not just on this site but everywhere, not least in the real world too. Otoh, minors suffer just as much as adults do, if not more (i.e. they're unprepared), and could benefit from the vast amount of knowledge (and compassion) here, because an overwhelming amount of members went through the very same thing long before adulthood. Not using these resources for good is society's failure not ours.

It's "funny" how scandalous they find RainAndSadness' advice about how to get the police to leave you alone during a welfare check. I guess we're all just supposed to volunteer for the cops to tear up our house and take us to the psych ward over a legal purchase. They really can't be bothered to wonder, "Huh, would that actually be helpful? What is the point of all this violence against people already at wit's end?

Indeed. Had mine a few years ago and they even threatened me with getting a search warrant, so handed it to them. I'm not an impulsive person at all, but that event was so wicked that I wanted to hang myself in the woods. Later, when they did the same with the IC clients, pretty much everyone said the same. That it was demeaning, traumatic and ultimately an unforgivable incursion into their privacy and rights. When the authorities are willing to violate one's home, one's only safe space, without justifiable reason, it makes one feel utterly helpless, because there's no higher force to protect one, it's downright evil. Welfare check, just another hypocritical buzzword.

Their child couldn't be honest to his fam.
Oh so their child who was an adult said in his note he wanted the site closed down. Did he really write that?

Apparently. Altough Kelli (the mother) and her gang are known to fake text exchanges and the like. But assuming it is true, while I'm normally for absolute self-determination, Joe Nihill is the one case where I really wished the authorities had prevented him from doing so.

Not because his suffering wasn't valid, not because it brought pressure on this forum or because Kelli's a lunatic taking out all of her frustration on innocent people. That's bad enough. But no, it's because he's a hypocrite, who was too coward to face his mother and instead blamed the forum and incited others to have it shut down. To me that's absolute scum. Considering the mother I'm not surprised, but really he's just as bad as any other pro-lifer out there and should have never been allowed freedom from this suffering, because he disregarded everyone else's.

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Callie's mom was mentioned. I remember her from the documentary. She was suffering a lot at the time, and while she maybe didn't fully understand the pain her daughter was going through, at least she understood we are trying to help each other and that this is a good place. I didn't agree with her when she said, "she'd always imagined Callie living out her life till 90 and still wanting to die", because that's exactly why it's impossible and ultimately torture. That is not life. But at least it suggests Callie could come to her with her problems. That's important.

It's disrespectful how they throw Callie's name around in these documentaries on >her< life to further their agenda, but never actually allow her to speak for herself. Same could be said for countless others, notably Shawn Shatto and the death which led to the rubbish Tantacrul video. Both said their piece here and elsewhere, but it gets ignored, but their corpses are nevertheless good enough to rile up public oinion. These aren't accidental exposures by the media though, but deliberate attempts to cause more harm and thereby make it into a problem. Additional suicides are seen as collateral which ultimately helps their agenda, even though they'd never admit to that. These people are hypocritical scum. And yes, people like Philip Nitschke/Exit International who are supposedly for the right to die are also scumbags:

Exit has also, in the past, written to the media (eg.BBC) to encourage them to focus on Sanctioned Suicide and use the power of the media to have them taken down, permanently. We have issued more take-down notices that we can count.

Hi, Callie here

If you're reading this, chances are my attempt to leave the world via carbon monoxide poisoning has been successful. Assuming it was, my death would have occurred in the early hours of the 28th August 2018 in the South Lakeland region of Cumbria, England.

If you happen to be religious, please pray for me to be treated compassionately in my next life, as I will be praying beforehand for this as well, as a relatively quick and painless death, despite my lack of religion.

Many people say suicide is selfish. To those, I would want to ask: is it not also selfish to expect someone to live, when existing seems to them intolerable?

None of us ask to be born, but we can decide when to die and in my eyes that right is fundamental; a human right, just like any other.

People stigmatise death, especially voluntary death, because to them it seems the most terrible thing they can imagine. To that, I say, what is so bad about death? The universe is so very old and will continue to exist long into the future, perhaps indefinitely. So why does it make a difference if someone dies at 20 or at 80, provided their life was not taken against their will?

As an autistic, I long for a world where autistic people can exist happily, but I'm not sure this can ever happen. I have pretty much given up on the world at this point. It's not designed for people like me.

So who am I in this world? An autistic, chronically depressed, jobless, homeless in effect waste of space who was born into a female body but probably isn't. Born to a teenage single mother, raised by a grandmother who is now dead and fated to a life where anything I attach to will be my undoing.

Dying isn't something alien to me. I first began to think about suicide around the age of 7. As a child, I was intelligent and had a seemingly bright future, but that rarely translates into the adult world.

The only thing I really regret is losing the two people closest to me. Mostly, however, I am sad about losing hope, for it is only hope that keeps us going.

I'm also tired. To quote The Green Mile, "I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world everyday. There's too much of it. It's like pieces of glass in my head all the time."

 

[betternever2havbeen]

A tiny percentage of people who gathered on a website because they're all depressed sadly ended up CTB-what a shock! If this site was that encouraging there would be far more deaths. Every death is tragic of course, and I have huge sympathy for the loved ones of people who were on this site and took their life, but it's not the sites fault. Before I found this place I was completely alone with my suicidal thoughts, planning my CTB, feeling so isolated. It was horrible until I found SaSu and got so much support. This place is nothing like they make out.

 

[F&Inside]

Hello everyone, I want to put on record my disgust towards this media and its news.

 

[Aergia]

I feel bad for Marcus.

Apparently, doxxing is fine if 'journalists' do it.

So do I. Waiting 3 days to harass him at his house like that— that's fucked up. And surely they know he's not running the forum anymore.

"So it looks like [he] has no remorse, no regret and nothing to say to the relatives of the dead," — the whole thing reeks of sensationalism. Tell me how exactly this is helping decrease suicide rates.

"Griping isn't the same as creating something,"... "Rebelling isn't rebuilding. Ridiculing isn't replacing ..."

"...We use criticism as a fake participation."

 

[spacehardware]

Saw it first thing this morning. We live in a nanny state. I become more disillusioned living in this country by the day. I cannot bear this, the visit from the SN police, the farcical online safety bill, now reading about this forum on BBC news over my cornflakes. I am so broken already. I am here in my darkest moments, seeking solace, others who share my pain, somewhere to interact with other human beings in my otherwise lonely existence. God forbid we have somewhere to feel human connection in our closing chapters. Fuck this country and its closed-minded agenda.

 

[exiled]

SaSu will always be an easy target for most of the world to come after, and that's the reality of it. It is a website that provides resources and support to those that want to end their own life and whether or not we like it, the world is against that. Vehemently. People who have lost loved ones, especially at a very young age, are going to look for something to blame. And perhaps going anti-SaSu and starting some movement is giving them some type of purpose to their pain. I cannot blame them. My very best friend since childhood died as a result of ordering SN from someone on here. I am not saying this to be a pro-life sounding jerk. After all, I have been on this forum for many months and have been incredibly suicidal myself. I've found a lot of support here and people have had my back.

I'm just saying, and maybe I'm playing devil's advocate a little bit, we can't really be so shocked that we are going to be targeted in the news every time anything leaks. People will not realize that SaSu is not the one killing people, but that the poor mental health system in most countries is what's more so to blame. I think it's unfair that BBC (or any news outlet for that matter) will jump to that conclusion and I think it's giving SaSu an even worse image. But, in the end, this site DOES offer resources, support, and in some cases even encouragement to go through with the decision to end their life.

Not everyone is going to like that.

And on the same token, this epidemic isn't going to stop. People will kill themselves every single day with or without SaSu. It just might be in a more gruesome, painful, unsupported way. But time and time again, we are going to lose this fight.

 

[Gonnerr]

Unbelievable, Callie spent only 1 month here and they blame us, wtf , where was everybody around her doing.

We are thousands miles away , even if we have said ; do not do it or all the bullshit use by suicide hotline.

She was DETERMINED to die no matter what, she went into a camping hundred of miles of her home and tried for 4 days to finally succeed with charcoal in a tent.

We have no responsability here, we don't live with those people.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Sounds amazing, bless her (link?). Reminds me of the the good people in "The Bridge" (2006) who despite suffering their loss came to understand what their child/loved one was going through and ultimately accepted that it was for the better. That is selfless love and caring. Nothing a pro-lifer could ever understand.

Here is the link... A very courageous and loving Mum obviously...

Message from someone left behind

Hi, my daughter (25) commited suicide on August the 10th last Summer. She found information on Sanctioned suicide about sodium nitrite and how to use it. At first I was shocked that there was a website that provided information like that. But lately I've been thinking, that for my daughter...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[voyager]

Here is the link... A very courageous and loving Mum obviously...

Message from someone left behind

Hi, my daughter (25) commited suicide on August the 10th last Summer. She found information on Sanctioned suicide about sodium nitrite and how to use it. At first I was shocked that there was a website that provided information like that. But lately I've been thinking, that for my daughter...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Exactly. Love it, thank you. Just read her original message. Wonderful person.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

Unbelievable, Callie spent only 1 month here and they blame us, wtf , where was everybody around her doing.

We are thousands miles away , even if we have said ; do not do it or all the bullshit use by suicide hotline.

She was DETERMINED to die no matter what, she went into a camping hundred of miles of her home and tried for 4 days to finally succeed with charcoal in a tent.

We have no responsability here, we don't live with those people.

I have read about Callie before, I don't think I knew she was on this site tho. Or the woman who jumped off a bridge and survived only to take her life afterwards (Beth?) but I suppose it's quite likely anyone who has researched enough online would've ended up here. That means a great deal of the time it's not impulsive-the impulsive ones are not finding this site, they're doing it alone without putting any research or thought into it.

May I request if I CTB that I am not referred to as a "victim" please? This is to any journalists or pro-lifers reading, I am not nor will I ever be a victim if I take my own life, I find that so offensive. What exactly am I victim of? Yeh people gave me choices and options, I'M the one who decides. I fully take responsibility for that alone. I'm most likely taking my life one day, one way or another-the people here have just helped me feel less alone in that.

 

[Gonnerr]

Leaving tonight

I'm currently eating my (hopefully) last meal -pasta followed by a vegan ice cream sundae- at a jazz bar above a little independent cinema near the location I picked. Today I will start my BBQ probably around 11 o'clock UK time and hope to be dead by the early hours. Within a couple of days my...

sanctioned-suicide.net

This is her last few days , this is how likely how i will go when i reach my breaking point, so her story touched me a lot.

 

[letmejoindeath]

I love how instead of fixing actual problems in a broken society we just blame peoples perspectives and call them mentally ill.

Then we will try to do hit pieces to even keep them from talking to each other and venting in any meaningful way.

These are the good guys of society. We are fucked. When does the next bus leave?

 

[Myforevercharlie]

SaSu will always be an easy target for most of the world to come after, and that's the reality of it. It is a website that provides resources and support to those that want to end their own life and whether or not we like it, the world is against that. Vehemently. People who have lost loved ones, especially at a very young age, are going to look for something to blame. And perhaps going anti-SaSu and starting some movement is giving them some type of purpose to their pain. I cannot blame them. My very best friend since childhood died as a result of ordering SN from someone on here. I am not saying this to be a pro-life sounding jerk. After all, I have been on this forum for many months and have been incredibly suicidal myself. I've found a lot of support here and people have had my back.

I'm just saying, and maybe I'm playing devil's advocate a little bit, we can't really be so shocked that we are going to be targeted in the news every time anything leaks. People will not realize that SaSu is not the one killing people, but that the poor mental health system in most countries is what's more so to blame. I think it's unfair that BBC (or any news outlet for that matter) will jump to that conclusion and I think it's giving SaSu an even worse image. But, in the end, this site DOES offer resources, support, and in some cases even encouragement to go through with the decision to end their life.

Not everyone is going to like that.

And on the same token, this epidemic isn't going to stop. People will kill themselves every single day with or without SaSu. It just might be in a more gruesome, painful, unsupported way. But time and time again, we are going to lose this fight.

Erhm... encouraging users is against the rules. We never will condone that. People who do are warned or banned.

If you see someone doing that ,report please.

 

[oneeyed]

It's easier to point fingers at someone/something else than to reflect on what the actual problem is, especially if that problem is the person who is blaming others. Like when people say kids are violent because of videogames. No, you dipshit, you're just a morron of a parent that doesn't want to admit their failure.
There's always going to be a giant target on this site, it's easy to blame a site that encourages discussion of something that people generally avoid talking about.

 

[TheDog_]

I hate this. I will not be a victim of suicide, but of a sick body that took away my joy.

 

[GrizzlyGrapefruit]

I always wish I could tell the journalists producing these garbage articles about how this site is literally the reason why I didn't kill myself back in 2019 and am still fighting before calling it quits.

This site has provided me a haven to talk about my suicidality more than any therapist/doctor, friend, or family member. This has been incredibly therapeutic to me and I'm sure many others. And if I come to the conclusion that suicide is my best option, then that's my decision to make and no one else's.

BBC journalists, if you're reading this, respectfully fuck off.

 

[epiousion]

A video tied to this article has been published to YouTube.

 

[Duality]

A video tied to this article has been published to YouTube.

Comments turned off, of course.

I mentioned this somewhere, but I wonder how many of the people mentioned in the BBC article tried to talk to their parents/loved ones, only to get shut down by them? I can understand the parents' pain but maybe they should have had a more open mind in the first place. Right now, they're gatekeeping instead of actually trying to tackle the issues that lead so many to consider suicide, including their deceased loved ones.

That's the kind of attitude that led a lot of us here, no? No one cares about why we suffer, just that we're alive? Therefore they will also not care as to why we died, just that it happened.

I bet that if they could turn back time, they would still be totally deaf to the pleas and cries of their loved ones. They'd have them strapped into a chair and feed them from a tube. As long as they're alive, right? Honestly I am curious as to what steps they took to help their kids (likely zero).

 

[UKscotty]

Typical media nonsense. I wouldn't read much into it.

Yes, you can tell some members are very young, but being 18 doesn't suddenly make you allowed to CTB. Everyone has the universal right to die, it has no restrictions or clauses.

 

[Napoleon]

I'm worried to be quite frank. Do you guys think this site will end up getting shut down? Does it technically break any laws so that an agency could seize it and arrest admins?

 

[Seered Doom]

Not in the US

 

[NoHorizon]

I'm worried to be quite frank. Do you guys think this site will end up getting shut down? Does it technically break any laws so that an agency could seize it and arrest admins?

I don't think so, but I do feel like it's only a matter of time before it's blocked in the UK now. I'll be (even more) sad when that happens.

 

[voyager]

May I request if I CTB that I am not referred to as a "victim" please? This is to any journalists or pro-lifers reading, I am not nor will I ever be a victim if I take my own life, I find that so offensive. What exactly am I victim of? Yeh people gave me choices and options, I'M the one who decides. I fully take responsibility for that alone.

But you are a victim, you just don't know any better. Like the rest of us. They really don't care if your mentally competent. Callie's eloquent and sane goodbye letter proves that. This is so typical nowadays and so patronising.

The youtube video above for instance, I haven't even clicked on it and yet I can see a banner, "You're not alone, free of charge, confidential, 24/7... " ffs, as if one was too deranged to even figure out how to call a helpline.

I'm worried to be quite frank. Do you guys think this site will end up getting shut down? Does it technically break any laws so that an agency could seize it and arrest admins?

Nope, or they would've done it already. I think the angle here for the most part is actually quite different. Seems obvious to me that several sources are deliberately trying to expose this site and main methods here (SN *cough*) to a wider audience, thererby in effect making it into a problem of (supposedly) mass proportions and therefore have an easier time banning it. I'd even go as far as stating that deep down they welcome suicides as collateral to their agenda. The problem to them is suicide of course, not tackling the underlying issues, which sometimes can't even be helped. These people are absolute hypocrites.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

It's disrespectful how they throw Callie's name around in these documentaries on >her< life to further their agenda, but never actually allow her to speak for herself. Same could be said for countless others, notably Shawn Shatto and the death which led to the rubbish Tantacrul video. Both said their piece here and elsewhere, but it gets ignored, but their corpses are nevertheless good enough to rile up public oinion. These aren't accidental exposures by the media though, but deliberate attempts to cause more harm and thereby make it into a problem. Additional suicides are seen as collateral which ultimately helps their agenda, even though they'd never admit to that. These people are hypocritical scum. And yes, people like Philip Nitschke/Exit International who are supposedly for the right to die are also scumbags:

I see Callie was autistic. Like a lot of us are.. Doubt they have done any advocacy in that regard even though she literally freaking cited it as a major reason behind her action.

We can't really blame relatives for being angry and unsympathetic towards this site. But grieving people are never the right people to.decide policy. Everything would be banned out of existence if that were so.

 

[tiger b]

Well, I'm here because of that clickbait crappy knee jerk BBC article.

Far easier to blame t'internet than actually listen to people and address the issue. Or deal with one's own pain. Or any feelings of responsibility.

The 'warped the mind' argument is good because it's hard to counter. And the "what about the children?" is another good debate-killer. As if there's no such thing as parental controls etc.

Grrrrr.

We are inevitably moving towards an increasingly controlled internet, 'for our own good'. There is some scary stuff out there online but I know what's infinitely more scarier.

How dare 'we' mock certain countries for a lack of freedom when we are far from perfect ourselves.

 

[Tesha]

Dear BBC Journalist(s)

It's been over 24 hours since I offered to speak with you; to allow you the opportunity to reflect on your article and hear from someone who has benefited from this site. I have heard nothing.

Rest assured, I am not a vulnerable individual, that you need to protect yourselves from. Nor do you need to protect me from you. Not all suicidal people are prime targets that can be taken advantage of. But, myths and stigma would have you believe otherwise.

I'm afraid I am coming to the conclusion that serious, public interest, two sided debate is something that wasn't included in your agenda, which is a pity. I had hoped you'd acknowledge that this is about real life people who for numerous and often complex reasons are ostracised by people unable to think critically about others and their wishes. There's so much positive focus on recognising and tackling diversity and inclusion, except if you're dealing with someone who may be suicidal. Then, the silent treatment suffices.

I'll still make myself available to you, if you decide that fair and impartial journalism is something you're aspiring towards.

Tesha