SaSu on BBC News

[WAITING TO DIE]

Ah, the British BULLSHIT corporation strikes again.
This site is actually a support system for most of us here, and I mean support system by empathising with each other as OPPOSED to actually encouraging suicide.
Fuck these pro - life fucktards.
None of these people give a fuck about us , yet they insist on interfering with our right to die.
They are nothing but sadistic and fake.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Authorities 'failed to act' on warnings about site promoting suicide

The online forum has been connected to the suicides of at least 50 people in the UK and now the families of victims are demanding the Government hold an inquiry to prevent future deaths.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"'We have also pledged to reduce England's suicide rate within two and a half years with our new national suicide prevention strategy, backed by more than 100 measures including a national alert system to combat emerging methods.'

So rather than actually try to solve people's problems, nevermind how utterly woeful the Mental Healthcare system is, to make yourself sound like hero, pledge to reduce suicide rates within two and a half years with another prevention strategy, including a damn alert system to combat emerging methods.

 

[Darkover]

Ah, the British BULLSHIT corporation strikes again.

also know as the british brainwashing channel

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Where is the focus on the lives saved, either people who found healing through community or who were referred from making terrible attempts?

I've always said that Cloud Busting (formerly pinkribbonscars)is a good example of how supportive this community can be, not some crazy death cult that actively cheers people on to ctb and are disappointed when that person fails.

 

[R_N]

You never see media having a discussion. It is just them painting a picture of "how things are", no other side to anything.

 

[StellaSomnus]

I spoke to a mental health practitioner a few weeks back and told him I did my research on a 'suicide forum' (I didn't mention this website of course) and he suggested that me hanging out here is why I'm feeling suicidal, which is a bit ironic given that he was patronising throughout my call with him for consultation, essentially with the tone of 'stop having mental health issues'.

UK has shit mental health support, they have no right to paint SaSu as an evil website.

One thing they conveniently failed to address is how many people have suffered even worse fates due to their lack of knowledge on suicide? People with life-long injuries, disabilities or vegetable state due to their lack of knowledge leading to a botched suicide. Oh right, they're still alive and breathing and that's all what the media cares.

 

[Bacon and Baseball]

this site is outstanding. It helps me when I get to my lowest points. anyone demonizing it, especially while not really painting the whole picture, aren't a friend of mine

 

[lachrymost]

It's "funny" how scandalous they find RainAndSadness' advice about how to get the police to leave you alone during a welfare check. I guess we're all just supposed to volunteer for the cops to tear up our house and take us to the psych ward over a legal purchase. They really can't be bothered to wonder, "Huh, would that actually be helpful? What is the point of all this violence against people already at wit's end?" Nah, status quo good.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Notice the bbc news says the same lies that the New York times news of the U.S. say against this website.

The media's goal is to ban this website sanctioned-suicide. They try to paint the site as pure evil.

Again they lie and say people here are encouraging or brainwashing young people even children to kill themselves. These are deliberate lies: the goal is to ban this website

Imagine if there were a single news organization in the world that would fight for the right to die. There isn't one in the whole world. The most important right a person has is the right to move away from suffering, pain torture. But the media doesn't ever mention this but instead try to take away that right by banning this website etc .

Some of the things the bbc and all media hide about actual reality are:

I and every human will die . In 130 years every single one of the 8 billion humans alive will be dead then . This Is the most absolute truth of all but u don't see this in the media

Nothing matters. There is no objective purpose to life. The media broadcasts to everyone their fictional ideas as objective facts that they say are objective truth or moral or "news".

Nobody including these media creeps can tell me that there is an objectively true reason why I should continue to suffer or even live since I'm going to die anyway no matter what

The only objective truth for me is to avoid extreme pain , and extreme suffering and extreme torture

There is always the possibility of extreme pain suffering or torture that could befall any human or other sentient animal .

If u look at science biology, brain books, the cell books , evolution . You will see a human is just cells. All life descended from a common ancestor a single cell

 

[Bacon and Baseball]

the responses in this thread are a great example of what this site brings to the table. Intelligent, real comments and discussion. as others have said, attempting to blame a website, instead of focusing on trying to improve or actually determine the reasons these things are happening, is a bit laughable

 

[BluesRunTheGame]

That organisation has become a parody of itself: supposedly free of bias, it is one of the most biased news outlets there is. If you don't agree with their neoliberal agenda you must be some kind of moron at best, some kind of terrorist-level bad person at worst. Or so they want you to think.

 

[Aergia]

The issue is that everyone keeps treating suicide itself as the entire problem when really, it's generally more like a symptom of some other cause. And movements or bills that aim to take down this site do nothing to treat said causes— they're only attempts to treat a symptom (and bad ones, at that).

 

[Againstthewind]

 

[Akanea]

Trashy article, misunderstanding this site, suicide and depression. "We'll reduce Britain's suicide rate" how, exactly?
By accepting LGBT better? By a substantial improvement of chronic diseases medical support? By overhauling the psych ward system?
Because that's the bulk of the people here, people that are rejected by their family or society for being LGBT or neurodivergents like autism. People who have lifelong diseases with no cure in sight, people who feel alone in a supposedly ultra-connected world where most interactions are just surface level. Will they actually try to make society a better place for them, for us?
No, they will just put barriers on bridges, spy on what people buy on internet and send them to mental asylums if they don't behave like good wageslaves. "Stay with us and suffer, we won't let you go peacefully". And they will pat themselves on the back for a "well done job". Forcing us to stay miserable for longer.

 

[Pluto]

That was a terrible article, even by the low standards set previously by the failing NY Times, Australia's ABC and the ignoramus on YouTube.

The Streisand Effect
First of all, we know from experience that ignorant articles like this promote the website they are attempting to defame, and will immediately lead to a large influx of new people - maybe thousands. The 'hero' journalist will be directly responsible for far more deaths than the 50 they are supposedly grieving. This is either a deadly way for a fool to learn about the Streisand Effect, or a deeply unethical way for a morally bankrupt journalist to achieve clicks for a sensationalist article.

If I were reading about it for the first time, I would immediately make every effort to find this place as it is clearly a rare online haven of genuine understanding for people in extreme distress. Severe quality-of-life issues can afflict anyone, and only then will they understand. The fact that unsupervised children can access all sorts of inappropriate content is a universal tragedy of circumstance, not an intended consequence of an 18+ website that justifies censorship.

Absurd Oversimplification
Secondly, the narrative of 'innocent happy person randomly stumbles across wicked pro-suicide website and is murdered by it within weeks' makes absolutely zero effort to investigate the actual causes and serious issues that these people have been facing, the individuals who tormented them until they could no longer cope and the institutions that idly stood by throughout.

Internet Equals Information
Thirdly, information on suicide methods is readily available across the web. There's even a large Wikipedia page on the topic. So, yet another dead-end argument.

Flawed Premise
Fourthly, endless action has been taken against this website and the SN method over the years. It has been censored, blocked and banned as far as possible. Ironically, the finally remaining problem is ignorant and/or nefarious journalists promoting it via deeply flawed articles which infantalise people in extreme distress and falsely claim that blocking their access to a lifeline of understanding will magically address their issues.

Genuine Solutions? Crickets.
I dare any one of these heroes to come up with a genuine solution to the problems that are driving me to death, or those of anyone else here. They will very quickly be humbled when they realise that in many cases, there aren't any. Any reasonable person with personal experience of sustained low quality of life knows well that there's a lot more to complex discussions about suicide, euthanasia and self-determination than simply banning information and methods.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

The issue is that everyone keeps treating suicide itself as the entire problem when really, it's generally more like a symptom of some other cause. And movements or bills that aim to take down this site do nothing to treat said causes— they're only attempts to treat a symptom (and bad ones, at that).

And this is why "pledging to reduce suicide" by some number in a few years does not fix anything, it does not address why people get to a point of considering suicide, but it's just to police as many methods as possible in hopes to keep people contained with their issues and hopefully they'll go call a helpline or get "help" or something.

No, they will just put barriers on bridges, spy on what people buy on internet and send them to mental asylums if they don't behave like good wageslaves. "Stay with us and suffer, we won't let you go peacefully". And they will pat themselves on the back for a "well done job". Forcing us to stay miserable for longer.

Well, good little compliant wageslaves is what keeps the government happy. Definitely right though, look at all the welfare checks that happened with SN, policing people is their only real solution, nothing about proactively changing how much society at large is apathetic and dismissive of people's problems.

 

[leloyon]

Ah yes, the British media, truly the greatest journalists of all time! /s
Fuck you all, you bastards. I hope some of those posts on there were mine (I recognised some, but they weren't unique enough for me to say for sure), it's not the first time you fuckers have lied about me. Even if you don't know who I am, keep. Fucking. Seething.
British journos are scum. They have no respect for anything except pushing the government agenda. Fuck em all.

 

[Scythe]

I like how they only plan to stop us on a physical level, really shows how ignorant and stupid they are. And how little they actually give a damn. The article presents no actual solutions. The online safety bill will only make our lives harder, it is proven that talking about suicide helps with idealation. So why can't we even get a forum to talk about it. People will find ways to die regardless of us, and perhaps more violent. Shutting the only existing suicide support forum creates more problems then it solves and shows how little the people making the decisions know about how to help.

 

[Meditation guide]

No one is being forced or encouraged to commit suicide on this site. Only we can know the level of suffering we can tolerate. No one who is that desperate should be forced to live on waking up each day to face a new day of unbearable suffering.

 

[FuneralCry]

From the title the article just sounds like more deluded and brainwashed pro-life nonsense, I cannot stand pro-lifers, what I don't understand is why everyone should have to suffer until they die anyway all because some people want to stay here.
Like we all have our right to die and if someone wants to die it's not other people's decision to make, pro-lifers should just learn to mind their own business.

The right to die is compassionate, I don't see what is supposedly so bad about the personal choice to permanently prevent all future suffering in an existence we aren't even obligated to endure.
In fact it should be the most important right having the option to peacefully prevent all harm in this existence where there is no limit as to how much we can suffer.

It's so hellish and disgusting how those pro-lifers just want to make people suffer even more, those people disturb me with how they want to make existence into a prison where the only ways out on our own terms are inaccessible, risky or painful.

 

[ThisIsLife]

"'We have also pledged to reduce England's suicide rate within two and a half years with our new national suicide prevention strategy, backed by more than 100 measures including a national alert system to combat emerging methods.'

Jesus Christ... Is their goal to keep the old school methods afloat because they just can't keep people from hanging with ropes, stabbing themselves with knives, poisoning themselves with detergents/insecticides/plants/chemicals/alcohol/heavy metals, asphyxiating with plastic bags or charcoal, frying themselves with electricity or fire, drowning in water, jumping from high or on train tracks, OD'ing with anything one could get with or without a prescription?

Because that's how people will keep hanging with ropes, stabbing themselves with knives, poisoning themselves with detergents/insecticides/plants/chemicals/alcohol/heavy metals, asphyxiating with plastic bags or charcoal, frying themselves with electricity or fire, drowning in water, jumping from high or on train tracks, OD'ing with anything one could get with or without a prescription.

I can't wait to watch them combat the guillotine. There have been quite a few CTBs around the world these last years of people who have brought the method back from the french revolution. Or how they'll combat people from making their home-made cyanide with apple seeds, apricot kernels or laurel leaves.

Let's see how it unfolds lol.

The more they'll try to keep people from peaceful methods the more R&D will be put in methods to get around the bans; it's like the war on drugs, it will never end.

 

[sash]

Its on the news rn...
Suicide talk needs to be legalised.
Yes their child, now adult, learned to ctb on this site. Properly. Without brain damage.
I expect that child found comfort here, comfort they haven't felt for a long time.
Their child couldn't be honest to his fam.
Oh so their child who was an adult said in his note he wanted the site closed down. Did he really write that?

Maybe if we could be more honest about how we feel without being sectioned or "there there" and "why arent u happy now I gave u a hug"
I've seen old threads on here "Time to go" type ones, I look at their join date, joined the day or few days before they did an "im going today" thread. Join date jun22, last seen sunday. One saved. Many saved.
Just being able to openly talk.
Yes many leave us, but calmly among people who really understand the pain and turmoil they are going through. With good advice that enables them to do it calmly and thoroughly.
How many ppl not on this site overdose or do impulse and they end up with broken minds and bodies as they didnt do it correctly.

I can go online and look at some awful disgusting p*rn on a standard browser, but ppl want to shut down a kind and warm community who want to help each other because we dont have this available to us out there.

My government has let me down. I have cost them a fortune on meds and benefits, one operation way back I could've contributed to society, no they said, lifetime of pain on top of the bad wiring as a child. Worthless. Been told I cant have an op til I am unable to walk. More physical and mental pain til then, maybe 5 yrs. Thanks.............

I have had enough of existing. If we had the death penalty for murder I would take out a baddie for a good hanging. People would cheer at my death.
I am exhausted I cant do this. I grew up in an abusive and controlling family. Constant pain. Decades of it. 2 heart conditions long time not killed me. Enough. Stop. But I cant, Gov says I gotta stay alive. And suffer. Take chemicals that call themself 'painkillers' nope, no killing of pain, no relief of pain. My body doesnt like the chemicals, but thats all I got.
Thanks...

Please let me go peacefully

 

[thot88]

This site is not the cause but the symptom. You don't need the internet to commit suicide. Suicides have been committed thousands of years before the internet. Even if this site were to crash, the discussion would only flow to other sites

 

[Darknessallaround]

Dear BBC journalist(s)

You're undoubtedly reading this thread, self praising for having your Editor print one of your stories. I suspect that to you, this will be an achievement in your professional career. But, is it really an accomplishment for the thousands of individuals that are living in perpetual misery, unable to access the care, treatment and support they need? I know the state of the mental health system in the UK isn't sexy reading, and doesn't get the reaction or sensational headlines that a forum like this does, but is that a reason to not objectively portray both sides of the story?

I understand your inability to comprehend the supportive nature of this website as I suspect you've only used it for reporting purposes and not for its positive potential. I have been a member since 2020. I would be dead if this forum didn't exist. I've been in the UK health system for many years and I've never had the acceptance, positive influences and supportive treatment as I've received and read here. Surely that is something that may need exploring for its life saving qualities? If the very people who are present on this site aren't the ones who know the most about the failings in real life supportive care, then who does? It's called peer supporting and it's actually a thing many institutions put in place to learn. Maybe that's a perspective you should consider - the opposite view to the majority non-suicidal people. You speak for and represent the voices of underdogs in the many tragic wars currently unfolding around the world. Well, this is my war. I am suicidal and battling for my voice to be heard amongst the cacophony of sound telling me suicide is wrong and trying to silence me.

You now need to make a choice. You can stop where you have or perhaps continue, and languish in your self approval and possibly narrow thinking. Or, you can maybe try to embrace the other side - as any good investigative journalist should do - and understand both sides. I don't speak on behalf of SaSu or anyone else, as everyone is an individual. But, I did contact you anonymously via your website today. If you read the BBC comments, you'll know who I am as I used the same phrase in both this post and my comment. I am possibly more unique than many others in my ability to remain anonymous in this process as I have reported sexual abuse to the police and used this forum as support. I'm therefore covered by the anonymity rights of a sexual abuse victim and it would be illegal for you to disclose who I am. Isn't it a sad state of affairs, a poor reflection on how bad our care system has become that I'm having to use sexual abuse protection laws to enable me to talk openly about suicide? Think about for that moment and what that is clearly speaking to you about.

You could use your linguistic skills to help fix the underlying issues. Wouldn't that give you a bigger buzz?

It will be interesting to see whether you get a response to what you have written, from the BBC, or whether your argument is deemed too coherent and rational, and therefore must be ignored. I hope you will let us know if you do receive a reply. It would be interesting to see how they can possibly justify the way in which their article has portrayed a very one-sided point of view, with no opportunity of rebuttal or redress from those who actually benefit from being able to access a site such as this.

 

[Old Friend]

No one is being forced or encouraged to commit suicide on this site. Only we can know the level of suffering we can tolerate. No one who is that desperate should be forced to live on waking up each day to face a new day of unbearable suffering.

I'm always curious about those new users you sometimes get on here that start a thread like "I'm sad, please help me die" and when this isn't forthcoming, you don't hear from them again.

We shouldn't be paranoid but there will inevitably be bad-faith actors who sign up to try to compromise the site from within.

We also have to be careful with under 18s coming on here, although it's very difficult to indentify them if they're being smart about it.

Then, of course, there's the sex fiends and other abusers who will naturally be attracted to this place as a source of vulnerable people.

All these things can and will be used to denigrate the site by its detractors. We shouldn't be paranoid but we do have to be vigilent.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Oh yeah we have already noticed a stark increase in registrations coming from people who live in the UK by the way. It's very obvious there is a huge demand for websites like this forum, where people are allowed to talk freely about deeply personal struggles without censorship and intervention, topics they can't talk about anywhere else due to the severe stigma around suicide that exists out there. So this article is once again nothing but advertisement, thanks a lot, dear BBC. But I'll talk more about this probably in the next 48 hours.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Oh yeah we have already noticed a stark increase in registrations coming from people who live in the UK by the way. It's very obvious there is a huge demand for websites like this forum, where people are allowed to talk freely about deeply personal struggles without censorship and intervention, topics they can't talk about anywhere else due to the severe stigma around suicide that exists out there. So this article is once again nothing but advertisement, thanks a lot, dear BBC. But I'll talk more about this probably in the next 48 hours.

Time to spit facts like a person without teeth.

 

[gardenfairy]

mental health services in the uk are APPALLING. if they weren't so awful then i could sympathise with the article but they're placing blame on the wrong people whether it's well meaning or not.

i was acutely mentally ill at age 11 and waited while bedbound for two years for help. at age 14 i expressed that i thought i had trauma just to be called 'dramatic' by my therapist (i do in fact have trauma and was referred by a different therapist from the same service for trauma therapy at age 17). i turned 18 and went from therapy every week since i was 13 to nothing, no transition period, just told good luck and fed to the wolves, i wasn't eligible for adult mental health services because i was not a danger to myself or others despite stating to multiple therapists that i SH and being literally unable to leave my home - still not unwell enough for therapy apparently! when i asked my doctor for a referral to adult mental health services, i got one. in the triage appointment when i expressed my suicidal thoughts i was told it's 'just a normal part of growing up' to have genuine thoughts about suicide, needless to say that referral went nowhere. my literal only option through the NHS is a self referral therapy service that offers 14 sessions only and is a fucking revolving door. they literally tell you 'if you aren't feeling better after 14 sessions you have to self refer again' which means wait on a list for months and start over with a new therapist for 14 more sessions and so on. my cousin attempted to ctb and was discharged from a&e with zero support and antidepressants. my eight year old nephew expressed suicidal thoughts and was told he could not be seen by CAMHS (our children's mental health service) because he was on a years long waiting list for an autism diagnosis. i could write a novel about the failures of the uk's mental health system.

but, yeah, let's blame the website for our young people's poor mental health!

i feel for the families who lost people and honestly i can understand why the family of someone who ctb would blame the site because i know how grief presents, but this is just shitty journalism.

 

[Unending]

Yeah- exactly... Do they really find that a preferable thought? I can't see how they could- if they really loved that person. I think they must either think that their loved one was experiencing some temporary psychosis- which must be harder to convince themselves of- if they had been suffering for a long period. Or- they must truly believe that their loved one could have recovered. Again- that's got to be hard to convince yourself of if the person had had plenty of recoveries and relapses. I don't know. It's hard to picture it from their point of view. Can a non suicidal person ever really understand someone with ideation?

Well I've been like this more or less for over a decade now and have exhausted all treatment options and am still so horribly miserable day in and day out, yet my loved ones still act like they genuinely believe that "Help is right around the corner" or "We'll figure this out really soon", or even that "Prayer is going to fix this."
Some people just can't accept reality.

Obviously I can't speak for anyone else who I didn't know but I'm just saying that it's entirely possible for others to just want their loved ones to suffer for their own well-being since they actually believe there is a reasonable expectation for recovery or something along those lines.

 

[smokingfish99]

Ultimately will this site help a small proportion of minors take their own life, yes. Would they do so otherwise? Most likely, if they're serious about suicide nothing would stop them and they'd find information elsewhere. That being considered I believe it's much more important the site stay open as a much needed community and resource for those under immense suffering, the people these articles NEVER mention- that is this sites main demographic. It's the exact same argument you can use against vpns or encrypted messaging, both allow you to communicate anonymously which should be a human right, however pedophiles and criminals also use these services. So should be ban those?