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I've not had any luck CTBing with Argon etc; I think they've added a chemical which mimics CO2 for safety.

So a new approach: this question is about how to remove oxygen from air. I'm thinking, ideally some sort of chemical solution that reacts with any oxygen in air bubbled through it. I've been searching and searching on openlibrary.org but not getting anywhere, plus chatGPT, gemini and perplexity.ai are refusing to help.

Does anyone know of some chemical solutions that will readily react with any oxygen bubbled through them? The easier to obtain, and the safer/less toxic it is, the better, since I probably won't be attempting for a long time and want to just be prepared for the time when I want to go ahead.

What I'm thinking of doing is making a system with a hood that filters oxygen using the above method, and filters CO2 by passing it through a solution of NaOH. Hopefully that'll basically leave me with mostly just nitrogen and argon, and I shouldn't feel like I'm suffocating

Thanks!
 
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I've not had any luck CTBing with Argon etc; I think they've added a chemical which mimics CO2 for safety.

So a new approach: this question is about how to remove oxygen from air. I'm thinking, ideally some sort of chemical solution that reacts with any oxygen in air bubbled through it. I've been searching and searching on openlibrary.org but not getting anywhere, plus chatGPT, gemini and perplexity.ai are refusing to help.

Does anyone know of some chemical solutions that will readily react with any oxygen bubbled through them? The easier to obtain, and the safer/less toxic it is, the better, since I probably won't be attempting for a long time and want to just be prepared for the time when I want to go ahead.

What I'm thinking of doing is making a system with a hood that filters oxygen using the above method, and filters CO2 by passing it through a solution of NaOH. Hopefully that'll basically leave me with mostly just nitrogen and argon, and I shouldn't feel like I'm suffocating

Thanks!
Interesting, what you're essentially want to construct is a gas mask. But instead of purifying the air, you want to opposite by removing the oxygen.

I would suggest using a full face gas mask make instead of a hood, since the hood is constructed to be supplied with pressurized air so the inlet hose is severely under dimensioned for atmospheric pressure.
 
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I've not had any luck CTBing with Argon etc; I think they've added a chemical which mimics CO2 for safety.

So a new approach: this question is about how to remove oxygen from air. I'm thinking, ideally some sort of chemical solution that reacts with any oxygen in air bubbled through it. I've been searching and searching on openlibrary.org but not getting anywhere, plus chatGPT, gemini and perplexity.ai are refusing to help.

Does anyone know of some chemical solutions that will readily react with any oxygen bubbled through them? The easier to obtain, and the safer/less toxic it is, the better, since I probably won't be attempting for a long time and want to just be prepared for the time when I want to go ahead.

What I'm thinking of doing is making a system with a hood that filters oxygen using the above method, and filters CO2 by passing it through a solution of NaOH. Hopefully that'll basically leave me with mostly just nitrogen and argon, and I shouldn't feel like I'm suffocating

Thanks!
Some argon is sold as a mixture (75% argon/25% CO2). Are you saying that you purchased 100% argon, and you believe they deliberately gave you the wrong product?

This is 2nd person I've read saying something like this and it doesn't make any sense. This isn't helium for balloons. These gases are used in the welding industry and have to meet very exact specifications in order to work.

You can't just put random extra chemicals in there and expect it to still work properly (unlike adding oxygen to balloons, for example, which doesn't affect anything.) Can you please give some more detail as to what made you come to this conclusion?

People sometimes underestimate SI (survival instinct) when trying to CTB with inert gas. There are some crazy stories on here. It's not the gas, it's your brain. (At least, that's my guess... because there's no way they're cutting 100% Argon for industry with random chemicals.)

One last point... Argon is probably one of the least-used methods for peaceful suicide. It surely hasn't gotten the kind of attention compared to SN, nembutal, helium. Unless there's something I missed, no media outlets have been sounding the alarm about "dangerous argon gas child suicide" quite yet. Even if this does eventually happen, it will more likely result in the same thing that has happened with nitrogen: you can no longer buy smaller-sized full tanks on the internet. But you can still buy large $400 nitrogen tanks. And you can still buy the smaller ones if you go into a supplier and purchase it in person.

I really don't think they are cutting anything into the argon. If I'm wrong on any of this someone please correct me because I'm still trying to figure all this out myself.
 
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Why not just evacuate the air from a well-sealed small space?
 
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With citric acid and baking soda you can obtain a chemical reaction that increases the production of CO2 but removing both oxygen and CO2 must be quite a challenge, I thought about it for a while too but I didn't know how to proceed.
 
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Not the first time I heard someone failing with Argon.

Might have something to do with the chemical's properties itself?

Why didn't you use Nitrogen?
 
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Not the first time I heard someone failing with Argon.

Might have something to do with the chemical's properties itself?

Why didn't you use Nitrogen?
Couldn't get nitrogen.

Why not just evacuate the air from a well-sealed small space?
Huh? A vacuum?? I don't think your understanding of physics is .... all that great lol. It would be nothing short of slow torture, not to mention hard to achieve anyway.

Some argon is sold as a mixture (75% argon/25% CO2). Are you saying that you purchased 100% argon, and you believe they deliberately gave you the wrong product?

This is 2nd person I've read saying something like this and it doesn't make any sense. This isn't helium for balloons. These gases are used in the welding industry and have to meet very exact specifications in order to work.

You can't just put random extra chemicals in there and expect it to still work properly (unlike adding oxygen to balloons, for example, which doesn't affect anything.) Can you please give some more detail as to what made you come to this conclusion?

People sometimes underestimate SI (survival instinct) when trying to CTB with inert gas. There are some crazy stories on here. It's not the gas, it's your brain. (At least, that's my guess... because there's no way they're cutting 100% Argon for industry with random chemicals.)

One last point... Argon is probably one of the least-used methods for peaceful suicide. It surely hasn't gotten the kind of attention compared to SN, nembutal, helium. Unless there's something I missed, no media outlets have been sounding the alarm about "dangerous argon gas child suicide" quite yet. Even if this does eventually happen, it will more likely result in the same thing that has happened with nitrogen: you can no longer buy smaller-sized full tanks on the internet. But you can still buy large $400 nitrogen tanks. And you can still buy the smaller ones if you go into a supplier and purchase it in person.

I really don't think they are cutting anything into the argon. If I'm wrong on any of this someone please correct me because I'm still trying to figure all this out myself.
I had absolutely no fears when using Argon, so it's absolutely not SI. I was completely calm, and completely determined. But I experienced intolerable feelings of suffocation and had to rip off the hood each time I tried. I literally ended up buying 3 cannisters from different suppliers, assuming I'd encountered an unusual problem, but the result was the same every time. To try and establish what was going on, I did a few experiments:

Experiment 1: Firstly, instead of using a hood, which relies on sufficient flow of gas, and to eliminate possible psychological effects or SI, I did an experiment which absolutely had no chance of being fatal: I filled up a bag with argon. I breathed in gas from the bag, breathed out into the room, and repeated as long as I could. After about 3 or 4 breaths I felt like I was suffocating and had to stop breathing in argon from the bag. So this made me assume that unlike the product description, "100% argon" (or thereabouts, it was at least 99% iirc), it must have had some carbon dioxide that was making me feel like I was suffocating. So...

Experiment 2: I tried testing all the argon canisters for carbon dioxide. I can't remember what substance I used, but it was cheap and easy to get, if I remember correctly it was a blue colour. I tried bubbling my exhaled breath through it, and sure enough it changed colour, but bubbling fresh air through it did not - indicating/confirming the reaction was with CO2, so that confirmed that the chemical test was effective. So I prepared another test tube with the indicator liquid for each of the tanks, and bubbled the argon through it. For all three tanks, it was negative. So, most likely, none of the canisters had any CO2.

Yes, I'm fully aware that pure argon is required for many industrial processes, specifically not containing oxygen or carbon dioxide. That's why I said that while I doubt it is carbon dioxide in the canisters that's making me feel like I'm suffocating, that doesn't mean that scientists haven't found a gas they can add in small amounts to the argon that does not interfere with uses of pure argon, but is added for safety reasons to prevent not only accidental deaths, but also suicide attempts. I have absolutely no doubt that this is plausible. For example, with many recreational drugs, for example cannabis/THC, there are many different chemicals that all bind with cannabinoid receptors in the brain, yet their other properties can be very different. There are some synthetic cannabis chemicals that are literally THOUSANDS of times better at binding with those receptors than THC, so I really think this explains what I experienced. There must be some additive that has the same effect on suffocating feelings as CO2 but either given its other chemical properties, does not affect industrial use of argon (at least in the majority of uses, no doubt some scientific/industrial activities do require unadulterated argon, and I can imagine they'd want to make that hard to get, given we're living in a dystopian nanny-state world).
 
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Yes, it is possible to remove oxygen from the air and there are several methods to do so, each with its own advantages and disadvantages. The most common methods include:

**1. Combustion:** When a fuel is burned, it reacts with oxygen in the air to produce carbon dioxide and other gases. This process removes oxygen from the air and can be used in settings such as steel production or electricity generation.

**2. Chemical Absorption:** In this method, air is passed through a material that selectively absorbs oxygen, while allowing other gases to pass through. Common sorbent materials include zeolites and metal compounds.

**3. Cryogenics:** By cooling the air to extremely low temperatures, its components liquefy at different temperatures. Oxygen, which has a lower liquefaction point than nitrogen, can then be separated and removed.

**4. Membranes:** Selective membranes can be used to separate oxygen from nitrogen. These membranes allow oxygen to permeate more easily than nitrogen, resulting in an oxygen-rich gas flow.

**5. Electrolysis:** Water electrolysis uses electricity to separate water into its components, hydrogen and oxygen. The oxygen can then be collected and the hydrogen released or used.

The choice of the most suitable method depends on various factors, such as the amount of oxygen to be removed, the desired purity of the residual gas, costs and environmental considerations.

In addition to the methods mentioned above, there are also other less common approaches for oxygen removal, such as using chemical reagents or biological processes.

It is important to note that completely removing oxygen from the air is not always necessary or desirable. In some cases, reducing the oxygen concentration to a specific level may be sufficient to achieve a certain goal.

If you need more information or have specific questions about removing oxygen from the air, please don't hesitate to ask.

I asked Google AI and it said this, they all seem like complicated methods.
 
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I asked Google AI and it said this, they all seem like complicated methods.
Thank you so much!! Which AI did you use?? I tried gemini, perplexity AND GPT3.5 and ALL of them said it was dangerous and they didn't want to give any information!!
 
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Thank you so much!! Which AI did you use?? I tried gemini, perplexity AND GPT3.5 and ALL of them said it was dangerous and they didn't want to give any information!!
Gemini, I also managed to get information on other methods by saying that I am a paramedic but after a while it didn't work anymore and the anti-suicide message always came out, I then tried with ChatGPT and it went much better.
 
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uh? A vacuum?? I don't think your understanding of physics is .... all that great lol. It would be nothing short of slow torture, not to mention hard to achieve anyway.
I think my understanding of physics is quite remarkable frankly. You don't think you could construct a strong enough vessel, get in it, and then evacuate it (enough) whereby there wouldn't be enough air/O2 in the vessel to breathe? I could. Of course you wouldn't be able to achieve total vacuum, but, then again, that really wouldn't be necessary, would it? And torture considerations didn't enter into the "equation", so to speak. The OP opined about a method of removing O2 ftom air. Evacuation of a vessel leads to the same end. And yes, I do have an engineering degree.
 
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So it seems like the cheapest options are probably chemical absorption or combustion. The problem with combustion is typically when anything is burned in low concentrations of oxygen, carbon monoxide is made of carbon dioxide. and I was exploring this method of removing oxygen because I was interested in avoiding the unpleasant symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning such as headache, confusion and nausea. By removing the oxygen from air, in theory one could die completely peacefully.

So anyone got any ideas what oxygen-sorbent chemicals are readily available that aren't hard to get or scarily toxic or corrosive etc? I know sodium and potassium metal readily react with oxygen in air, but because they're so reactive they're very hard to get - every place I've ever looked at that sell them only sell to verifiable companies or educational institutions. Not only that, but they're expensive. If I wanted to evacuate oxygen from say a small shed, it would take at least a kilogram of sodium or potassium. Also, given they're very soft metals, I doubt you'd be able to get them in powder form to maximise surface area, in order to react with the oxygen and remove it in at most a couple of passes of air through the powdered metals. Ideally, the sorbent would be a solution that I can bubble the air through, without requiring heating or any other awkward precautions?
I think my understanding of physics is quite remarkable frankly. You don't think you could construct a strong enough vessel, get in it, and then evacuate it (enough) whereby there wouldn't be enough air/O2 in the vessel to breathe? I could. Of course you wouldn't be able to achieve total vacuum, but, then again, that really wouldn't be necessary, would it? And torture considerations didn't enter into the "equation", so to speak. The OP opined about a method of removing O2 ftom air. Evacuation of a vessel leads to the same end. And yes, I do have an engineering degree.
Not a chance. Atmospheric pressure is about 15PSI. That means if you create a vessel to withstand the pressure differential, the force of the air on each square meter of the vessel would be 40*40*15/2000 = 12 TONNES. Creating such a vessel would cost tens of thousands of dollars, and would require significant metal working skills and equipment. Sure, you don't need a total vacuum to die. But at the very least, you'd need to remove half the air. So the force per square meter would b 6 tonnes, but that's still an extremely huge amount. Basically, I'm just thinking about how people at high altitude can die - like when an airplane loses pressure at high altitude, people can die quite quickly. Thinking about it, I haven't heard reports of people suffering when dying from high altitude, so I guess it might not involve much or even any suffering at a non-total-vacuum - but yeah, it's definitely not the most practical method. Not by a million miles. Yes, being in a total vacuum would make you suffer, I guess that level of vacuum isn't necessary. But to create a vessel that is sufficiently strong, and has a door with a completely air-tight seal, requires significant money, and specific engineering skills which despite my knowledge of physics is just beyond my capability. Unless you have a ridiculously powerful vacuum pump, you basically need a completely airtight seal. Most vacuum pumps don't even come close to one litre per second, so that would take about half a day to evacuate something large enough to be comfortable to sit in. Any pump more powerful would be incredibly expensive given it wouldn't be anything close to mass produced. And given atmospheric pressure, just the smallest of cracks, flaws, porosity or whatever, would negate your efforts.
 
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Oxygen concentrator. This splits room air into oxygen and nitrogen for low-saturation patients. Operating within a well-isolated area and expelling oxygen. It works fast. I have one at my house. This is one of my methods.
 
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Bump. Also, OP did you find an answer?
 

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