Method Handcuffs and plastic bag

[losi]

This is not a problem because it is the CO2 that at high levels makes you lose consciousness, clonazepam should be used just to avoid the initial panic.

thank you. damn i almost got to overthinking about this method.

 

[Placo]

thank you. damn i almost got to overthinking about this method.

Bear in mind that I have been studying it since 2013 so I know it very well by now.

 

[Placo]

I have evaluated alternative suicide methods with CO2 such as dry ice and even using a fire extinguisher with CO2 but the first is impractical because it tends to sublimate and given my hesitation it would end up all sublimate before I decide to do something while fire extinguishers are too expensive and I don't know how to explain it to my parents, of course I could say it's for fires, in the end it wouldn't even be that suspicious but I don't know if the amount of CO2 inside would be enough for a small room, spraying it inside the passenger compartment of a car I don't know because it tends to lower the temperature quite a bit and I wouldn't want the cold to become unbearable and the SI to make me run away.

I would say that the method in this thread is the better with CO2.

 

[ZedMen]

It depends on the size of the bag, in my case I would say between 2 and 5 minutes to lose consciousness, then it will take another 15-20 minutes to die, I have read that if the brain remains without oxygen for such a period of time it is irrecoverable.

It actually seems relatively fast.
My problem is the noise, especially if I use a garbage bag, the rhythmic noise of breathing especially if I hyperventilate, it might alarm someone, unfortunately there is always someone in my house, even at night, I should perhaps look for a box into which the head can fit.

 

[Placo]

I tried dihydrocodeine to see if it can help with this method, I only poured 7 drops but I feel sedated and a little dazed, perhaps my mood has also improved, I must say that it puts you in a mindset more inclined to beat the SI and maybe it even helps with the discomfort.

 

[Placo]

I can state with certainty that the method is complete at the moment, at most I can see if it is possible to find something to lose awareness such as anesthetics or barbiturates but the loss of awareness must still occur after the setup is complete so I have to be careful, perhaps better one large dose of benzos; as for the discomfort in my opinion it won't be that terrible, there are certainly worse deaths and then it won't last long anyway so I can consider the method complete and spend my energy at this point just to try to feel better, in the end I have this method in drawer since 2013 but now I have also added tranquilizers to make the experience less traumatic.

 

[Placo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_benzodiazepines

Sorting them by potency in comparison to diazepam it seems that among the most powerful which are approved for sale there are alprazolam, brotizolam, clonazepam and triazolam. I have 3 out of 4.

 

[Placo]

I don't know if I've already written it but some people mix citric acid and baking soda to speed up the increase of CO2 in the bag, perhaps this way you can immediately reach a high quantity of CO2 and therefore immediately lose consciousness without having other symptoms, so it would work like an inert gas, although I don't feel like implementing it in my method.

 

[Placo]

I agree that this is certainly not the most painless method in the world but I wonder why I have to obsessively search for a painless one, I am reminded of that monk who set himself on fire in the public square in the 1960s while remaining stoic, there are also photos document the event, he remained in the meditative pose while the flames engulfed his body, and should I be afraid of this method? I refuse to study another one, I can't be that cowardly. I also have sedatives so I have no excuses.

 

[losi]

i'm facing a problem, sometimes i suffocate with plastic sheet and other times i don't suffocate because of air leaking under the neck. i used waist elastic band. i have to duct tape my bag because it is old and have more scars. if i use two or three more bags, it is hard to tie around the neck.

i also bookmarked about thich quang dik, think about him a lot while i also have good sedatives. i'm more scared about failing. i keep practicing to make sure i die.

 

[losi]

update : i almost accidentally suffocate myself now and my si kicked. i realized how much more tightly i can tie the band. other than handcuff, the tightness around the neck also plays a huge role. more like it speeds up suffocation and guarantee death. if i tie the band not tight enough, it just guarantee brain damage due to prolonged low oxygen and found early.

 

[Placo]

update : i almost accidentally suffocate myself now and my si kicked. i realized how much more tightly i can tie the band. other than handcuff, the tightness around the neck also plays a huge role. more like it speeds up suffocation and guarantee death. if i tie the band not tight enough, it just guarantee brain damage due to prolonged low oxygen and found early.

Yes, it matters how tight it is around the neck, that's what made me fail the one time I managed to win the SI and cuff both hands behind my back.

However, out of curiosity, I asked the AI if too much oxygen was harmful to humans, what would happen if it suddenly became 100% of the atmosphere and remained that way forever, even in that case the result is death, incredible how human life hangs by a thread.

 

[Edpal247]

this idea is not good. It will be long and excrutiating.

 

[Placo]

this idea is not good. It will be long and excrutiating.

I'm not afraid, as I said a few posts earlier I don't understand all this obsession with a painless death, are we sure that SN is painless for example? So many sacrifices to find it and find antiemetics and everything and then maybe it's even painful.

However, how long it will last depends on the size of the plastic bag and in any case if you want you can make it more humane.

 

[mrtime87]

I rather have instantaneous over painless.

A plastic bag is horrific because of suffocation, but a gun is painful. Hanging is slow and drawn out, but if you could pass out then you most likely wouldn't feel the need to back out. Otherwise, how else do partial hangings work.

Again, id choose a gun because its instantaneous. You'll feel the explosion but it will be over in no time.

Drugs would probably help.

 

[heliophobic]

I don't know, a few times I stayed with the plastic bag on my head to see what was happening but it didn't seem that horrible, it's also true that at a certain point I took it off so I don't know how it is later on, the fact is that as I said in the initial post after an initial activating effect which could trigger panic then the CO2 has a depressive effect and therefore one could lose consciousness when one is not in a pleasant state but half narcotized, then one would still have to use tranquilizers first to remove the feeling of panic.

A really unfortunate thing would be if the method somehow fails and one is left handcuffed but alive, if one lives alone he is practically hopeless being immobilized, he can't even ask for help.

In any case, I'm a little better now than yesterday, I keep all the ways open so I still seek psychological and pharmacological support, when I'm too depressed I can't even study suicide methods so in theory I have to do it when I'm a little better in order to have a decent method when the situation

Certainly there are more painless methods such as with nitrogen or some other inert gas, with CO2 the body has a defense system which makes this method not exactly painless while with those gases it has no defenses and therefore you lose consciousness in few moments without first experiencing unpleasant symptoms, I read that recently in Alabama they tried the first execution of a death row inmate with nitrogen, but I haven't read how it went.

I don't know, a few times I stayed with the plastic bag on my head to see what was happening but it didn't seem that horrible, it's also true that at a certain point I took it off so I don't know how it is later on, the fact is that as I said in the initial post after an initial activating effect which could trigger panic then the CO2 has a depressive effect and therefore one could lose consciousness when one is not in a pleasant state but half narcotized, then one would still have to use tranquilizers first to remove the feeling of panic.

A really unfortunate thing would be if the method somehow fails and one is left handcuffed but alive, if one lives alone he is practically hopeless being immobilized, he can't even ask for help.

In any case, I'm a little better now than yesterday, I keep all the ways open so I still seek psychological and pharmacological support, when I'm too depressed I can't even study suicide methods so in theory I have to do it when I'm a little better in order to have a decent method when the situation will be really hopeless.

This is a delicate thing because one must still be able to remain alert enough to handcuff oneself, one must be careful not to lose consciousness first so a good dose is needed to calm down but I don't know if it is worth it to the point of losing consciousness.

Certainly there are more painless methods such as with nitrogen or some other inert gas, with CO2 the body has a defense system which makes this method not exactly painless while with those gases it has no defenses and therefore you lose consciousness in few moments without first experiencing unpleasant symptoms, I read that recently in Alabama they tried the first execution of a death row inmate with nitrogen, but I haven't read how it went.

The execution in Alabama went VERY badly. One of the witnesses wrote about what he saw, equating it to torture. Here's something written about it. https://apnews.com/article/nitrogen...mate-lawsuit-7043bff9563f99d083b189ff7d39253c

 

[losi]

Yes, it matters how tight it is around the neck, that's what made me fail the one time I managed to win the SI and cuff both hands behind my back.

finally i'm able to suffocate. it is damn painful.

 

[Kapsyl]

The execution in Alabama went VERY badly. One of the witnesses wrote about what he saw, equating it to torture. Here's something written about it. https://apnews.com/article/nitrogen...mate-lawsuit-7043bff9563f99d083b189ff7d39253c

The Alabama execution isn't an example of a good executed (no pun intended) nitrogen asphyxiation. There are reasons to believe the execution was botched with inferior equipment and gas, either for malicious purposes or just utter incompetence.

Unfortunately we haven't all the facts and the few we know of is used to advocate against execution overall. Questions I would like to know is

1. Was the inmate clean shaven?
2. Was the gas at a high enough purity and not mixed with any other gas like co2.
3. What kind of mask did they use
4. What flow rate was used, did they utilize some sort of reservoir tank to relieve the pressure inside the mask.
5 was the system indeed a constant flow, which I have lead to believe.

Regardless of these very important factors, we know the inmate held his breath and didn't willingly succumb to his death. If the system is indeed a constant flow, the gas will be limited to what the current gas flow is. For example a flow rate of 40L/pm which is quite high will only provide you with 0,6 liter per seconds. So what happens when you hold your breath and finally can't hold it any longer?

You take a big breath, which is going to be much more than the 0,6 liter a second the setup is providing. Maximum lung capacity is like 6 liters so naturally the inmate will suffer mild case of suffocation. Being strapped and suffocated at the same time is quite traumatic, so witness saying he was fighting for his life wasn't an understatement.

Inert asphyxiation requires some form of cooperation with exit bag/constant flow setups. This wouldn't be the case with a on demand valves or something like an inclosed area. For a setup like the inmate experienced, you have to take small and constant breaths to not feel suffocated, if you try taking a deep breath you will struggle as the inmate evidently did.

Tdlr the nitrogen method isn't a good option for executions, unless you use on demand valves or something like the sacropod. Any method that requires cooperation is a recipe of disaster and the news will spin this story to discredit the usage of nitrogen.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

The execution in Alabama went VERY badly. One of the witnesses wrote about what he saw, equating it to torture. Here's something written about it. https://apnews.com/article/nitrogen...mate-lawsuit-7043bff9563f99d083b189ff7d39253c

I haven't read the article, because I'm sure it's biased. I read another article (can't find it atm) where it says that the guy held his breath as long as he could. This is only one of the factors why his death was a struggle. In his book 'Uitweg' (Dignified dying) Boudewijn Chabot describes how he gained information from an American and a German doctor who witnessed death by helium dozens of time. All persons lost consciousness very fast, there was no nausea or visible discomfort. Heart stopped after 10 or 15 minutes.

 

[Placo]

However, this method is the only one I can use at the moment, there would also be full hanging but I would have to go to an old house without lighting and find a suitable rope, and honestly I don't think it's that painless compared to this, it will certainly tend to last less but those seconds or minutes in my opinion are even worse than this method, with full hanging you can't even breathe and you have the feeling of the rope on your neck, here in theory you breathe but you breathe CO2 and this triggers the feeling of panic which however can be mitigated with sedatives.

If you have a method in your hands that you think is better in the sense of being more painless such as N or inert gases, good for you but I can only do this at the moment, it doesn't matter if it's annoying, it's certainly better than decades of depression, furthermore the whole thing shouldn't last a long time because as CO2 increases in quantity it goes from an activating state to a narcotizing one so in my opinion the feeling of panic will last very little, perhaps once I managed to achieve this change in behavior but in the end I removed the bag anyway having the hands free.

Regarding the execution in Alabama, a user who then committed suicide with inert gas had opened a very interesting thread where she explained that the thing had been done badly partly due to incompetence and partly due to sadism.

 

[Not A Fan]

The execution in Alabama went VERY badly. One of the witnesses wrote about what he saw, equating it to torture. Here's something written about it. https://apnews.com/article/nitrogen...mate-lawsuit-7043bff9563f99d083b189ff7d39253c

Kenneth Smith did not want to die, consequently he struggled to avoid inhaling the nitrogen as much as he was able.

It's weird because the court consulted Philip Nitschke as an expert witness and he explicitly stated the problems inherent with the kind of mask they had chosen. But the jail or the court or whomever insisted upon using this type of mask despite (or perhaps because of) Nitschke's warning that it would lead to a death struggle.

The reason nitrogen can be so dangerous is that a person experiences no symptoms, and then quickly passes out without knowing anything was even wrong. That's how painless it is.

It's about as gentle as you can get without simply dying in your sleep, when done properly and voluntarily. Alabama wasn't trying to be more humane, they actually tried to lethally inject this same guy previously, only to cancel because the executioner couldn't locate a suitable vein. They wanted the guy to suffer and they made sure he did... and I'm sure they don't mind if they gave nitrogen death a bad name in the process.

It requires a lot more planning, setup and money than other methods but I think you get what you pay for... best of all worlds: painless, non-violent, non-toxic, reliable and quick.

Regarding the execution in Alabama, a user who then committed suicide with inert gas had opened a very interesting thread where she explained that the thing had been done badly partly due to incompetence and partly due to sadism.

Yes.

 

[Placo]

In general, it is estimated that a healthy adult has about 6 minutes before losing consciousness and 10 minutes before dying from suffocation in a plastic bag.

Here is a rough timeline of what happens during choking:

First minute:
Anxiety and panic
Increased heart rate and blood pressure
Agitation and convulsive movements

Within 2-3 minutes:
Cyanosis (bluish discoloration of the skin and mucous membranes)
Labored and ineffective breathing

Within 4-6 minutes:
Confusion and disorientation
Loss of coordination
Weakness

Within 6-10 minutes:
Loss of consciousness
Dilation of the pupils
Cardiac arrest

I asked Google's AI about the possible effects as the minutes pass, it seems like a horrible death but comparing it with other methods it seems to me that very few are more painless and all difficult to achieve.

Obviously the size of the plastic bag makes an important difference.

 

[mrtime87]

Don't forget the part where the bag gets stuck in your mouth while you can't breathe.

Why not try an inert gas. For what it's worth, I tried argon but couldn't pass out. I used a large oven bag and then PPH for how-to on the exit bag.

I couldn't wait for my argon tester to come in mail because I live with my mother's and sadly when this method failed I had to show her the tank of argon. Still haven't disposed of the tank by the way.

Id love to go with SN or even N but can't find a dealer. I did find someone who claims to sell cyanide but they want 1500$ for it and probably are an FBI agent.

It sucks not being able to procure a gun. I did try a partial hanging but can't seem to pass out. It makes me wonder how people like Kate Spade and Chester Bennington can do it with scarves and a belt.

Guess its just luck of the draw.

 

[Placo]

I asked ChatGPT this time and it talks about faster times.

Suffocation with a plastic bag is a method of asphyxiation that can lead to death at varying times depending on the specific circumstances. Below are the typical times and symptoms associated with this type of choking:

### Times
1. **Loss of awareness**: Lack of oxygen can cause loss of awareness within 1-2 minutes. The amount of time may vary based on your individual lung capacity and resistance to oxygen starvation.

2. **Brain Damage**: After 3-5 minutes of lack of oxygen, permanent brain damage may begin to occur.

3. **Death**: Death can occur within 5-10 minutes, depending on how quickly the available oxygen in the envelope runs out and how tightly the envelope seals.

### Symptoms
Symptoms that occur when choking on a plastic bag include:

1. **Anguish and panic**: The person may initially experience a feeling of anguish and panic due to difficulty breathing.

2. **Hyperventilation**: Breathing becomes rapid and shallow in an attempt to get more oxygen.

3. **Suffocating sensation**: A choking sensation accompanied by increased chest pressure.

4. **Cyanosis**: The skin and mucous membranes may become bluish (cyanosis) due to lack of oxygen.

5. **Loss of awareness**: The person will lose consciousness when the brain does not receive enough oxygen.

6. **Seizures**: Seizures or involuntary movements may occur due to lack of oxygen to the brain.

7. **Muscle relaxation**: After loss of consciousness, the muscles relax, and the person may lose control of bodily functions (incontinence).

8. **Cardiac arrest**: Eventually, if the lack of oxygen persists, the heart will stop beating, leading to death.

Suffocation with a plastic bag is extremely dangerous and traumatic. If you or someone else is facing thoughts of self-harm or suicide, it is vital to immediately seek help from mental health professionals or contact an emergency number for support.

Hanging is obviously even faster, there we are talking about 15-30 seconds to lose consciousness.

Don't forget the part where the bag gets stuck in your mouth while you can't breathe.

Why not try an inert gas. For what it's worth, I tried argon but couldn't pass out. I used a large oven bag and then PPH for how-to on the exit bag.

I couldn't wait for my argon tester to come in mail because I live with my mother's and sadly when this method failed I had to show her the tank of argon. Still haven't disposed of the tank by the way.

Id love to go with SN or even N but can't find a dealer. I did find someone who claims to sell cyanide but they want 1500$ for it and probably are an FBI agent.

It sucks not being able to procure a gun. I did try a partial hanging but can't seem to pass out. It makes me wonder how people like Kate Spade and Chester Bennington can do it with scarves and a belt.

Guess its just luck of the draw.

I live with my family and it's not easy to hide cylinders, I've already tried with the helium one for the balloons and even if they didn't ask any questions I feel like I took a bit of a risk, however the reason you failed with the argon was explained in a another thread today, it has to do with the fact that it is heavier than air so it tends to come out of the bag.



Here is a more detailed report but it seems again that it takes at least 5 minutes to lose awareness.

Suffocation with a plastic bag is a form of asphyxiation that quickly leads to a reduction in oxygen supply to the brain and an increase in carbon dioxide (CO₂) in the blood. Here's how symptoms can evolve over minutes:

### First 0-1 minutes:
1. **Panic and anguish**: At first, the person may experience a strong feeling of panic and claustrophobia due to difficulty breathing.
2. **Increased breathing rate**: Attempts to breathe faster and deeper in an attempt to get more oxygen.

### After 1-2 minutes:
1. **Headache and dizziness**: The lack of oxygen and increased CO₂ in the blood starts to cause headaches and dizziness.
2. **Nausea**: A feeling of nausea may arise.
3. **Mental confusion**: Signs of confusion and difficulty concentrating begin to appear.

### After 2-3 minutes:
1. **Increased panic and agitation**: The person may become extremely agitated and may struggle to remove the bag.
2. **Excessive Sweating**: Sweating may increase significantly.
3. **Tachycardia**: The heartbeat becomes very rapid.

### After 3-5 minutes:
1. **Muscle weakness**: The person may begin to feel marked muscle weakness.
2. **Cyanosis**: The skin and mucous membranes may become bluish due to lack of oxygen.
3. **Severe Confusion and Disorientation**: Mental confusion increases significantly.

### After 5-7 minutes:
1. **Loss of consciousness**: The person loses consciousness due to severe oxygen deficiency.
2. **Seizures**: Seizures or involuntary movements may occur.

### After 7-10 minutes:
1. **Muscle relaxation**: The person loses control of bodily functions, including incontinence.
2. **Respiratory arrest**: Breathing stops completely.
3. **Cardiac arrest**: The heart stops beating shortly thereafter.

### Final thoughts:
- **Irreversible brain damage**: After 4-6 minutes without oxygen, the brain suffers irreversible damage.
- **Death**: Death occurs shortly after cardiac arrest if timely resuscitation measures are not carried out.

It is important to note that suffocation on a plastic bag is a serious medical emergency. If you or someone else is facing thoughts of self-harm or suicide, it is vital to immediately seek help from mental health professionals or contact an emergency number for support.

 

[Jarni]

Plastic bag is also my method, as I already mentioned, I was thinking about CO2 in addition with baking soda and citric acid, but now I'm thinking more and more about plastic bag and tourniquet or plastic bag and night night... I don't know how, but I'm too afraid than the loss of consciousness is too long with plastic bag only...

 

[Placo]

In conclusion I would say that the annoyance on a scale from 0 to 10 is 5, in the end the big problem is anxiety and panic which can be calmed down with tranquilizers or relaxation techniques, the other symptoms don't seem terrible to me, keep in mind that they don't it is said that they all occur, for example headaches tend to occur if you are exposed to a medium-low quantity for a long time, but in my latest tests where the % of CO2 rose rapidly this did not occur, on nausea and vomiting then honestly I'm very skeptical but when in doubt it's better to have an empty stomach, more than anything I sometimes wonder if I should happen to cough if this risks creating such a force as to loosen the bag, maybe first I'll even take an antitussive as well as sedatives.

The AI seems undecided, however it seems to be more inclined towards the 5 minutes before losing consciousness, however it should be noted that panic tends to occur only at the beginning while it then tends to cause tiredness and drowsiness.

As for dizziness, I couldn't say, I never had any in the various tests.

Perhaps full hanging is more humane because there is talk of loss of consciousness in 15-30 seconds but perhaps that period of time, even if shorter, is more painful, in any case it is not easy for me to access as a method at the moment.

The ideal would be hanging with breaking of the neck bone which causes instant death but this is even more difficult to achieve, the most painless methods also seem to be the most difficult ones apparently.

However, I still tend to think of that monk who set himself on fire without batting an eyelid. If he managed it with a method where the pain is maximum, I too can cope with a bit of discomfort.

 

[Jarni]

However, I still tend to think of that monk who set himself on fire without batting an eyelid. If he managed it with a method where the pain is maximum, I too can cope with a bit of discomfort.

I have very damaged nerves because of my illness (from Covid) and I sometimes had 10/10 pain. This degree of pain makes lose consciousness... Heart / breath have lots of difficulties with this degree of pain. I can't understand how he stayed conscious...

 

[Placo]

Now I will list the various symptoms and the precautions taken to combat them.


Headache: I'm not sure if it will occur because in the last tests it hasn't happened to me, it occurs with prolonged exposure at medium levels while in the bag the amount of CO2 will rise so quickly that it may not occur, in any case I could take a painkiller.

Dizziness: I'm not sure how to counteract this symptom but I must say that it has never happened to me.

Nausea: it's never happened to me and I'm a bit skeptical that it exists between the symptoms but the AI has listed it and so I put it but in theory I have an OTC drug against it.

Vomiting: in my opinion it doesn't happen even if the AI listed it among the symptoms but I think it's enough to have an empty or light stomach, personally it's never happened and the same OTC drug against nausea can help in case.

Dimmed sight: not a problem.

Reduced hearing: not a problem.

Drowsiness: not a problem.

Agitation: this is one of the biggest problems but I have sedatives to calm it down.

Convulsions: not a problem and clonazepam can help.

Hyperventilation: not a problem.

Cyanosis: not a problem.

Unconsciousness: not a problem.

Death: desired outcome.

Increased blood pressure: not a very big problem and sedatives can help.

Increased or irregular heart rare: not a big problem and sedatives can help.

Dyspnea: not a very big problem and dihydrocodeine can help.

Confusion: not a problem I guess.

Sweating: with this hot summer maybe a problem but don't have any remedy.

Flushed skin: not a problem.

Mild narcosis: not a problem.


These are the symptoms that come to mind so far and they should be almost all of them, you have to keep in mind that they don't necessarily happen all of them and they are not in order of appearance, this method doesn't seem so brutal in the end.

I hope I don't cough during the process although the dihydrocodeine should help with this too, the rush of air from coughing could loosen the bag.

 

[heliophobic]

I haven't read the article, because I'm sure it's biased. I read another article (can't find it atm) where it says that the guy held his breath as long as he could. This is only one of the factors why his death was a struggle. In his book 'Uitweg' (Dignified dying) Boudewijn Chabot describes how he gained information from an American and a German doctor who witnessed death by helium dozens of time. All persons lost consciousness very fast, there was no nausea or visible discomfort. Heart stopped after 10 or 15 minutes.

I read an article written by a witness to the execution. They likened the execution to torture. Is that biased as well?

Kenneth Smith did not want to die, consequently he struggled to avoid inhaling the nitrogen as much as he was able.

It's weird because the court consulted Philip Nitschke as an expert witness and he explicitly stated the problems inherent with the kind of mask they had chosen. But the jail or the court or whomever insisted upon using this type of mask despite (or perhaps because of) Nitschke's warning that it would lead to a death struggle.

The reason nitrogen can be so dangerous is that a person experiences no symptoms, and then quickly passes out without knowing anything was even wrong. That's how painless it is.

It's about as gentle as you can get without simply dying in your sleep, when done properly and voluntarily. Alabama wasn't trying to be more humane, they actually tried to lethally inject this same guy previously, only to cancel because the executioner couldn't locate a suitable vein. They wanted the guy to suffer and they made sure he did... and I'm sure they don't mind if they gave nitrogen death a bad name in the process.

It requires a lot more planning, setup and money than other methods but I think you get what you pay for... best of all worlds: painless, non-violent, non-toxic, reliable and quick.

Yes.

America couldn't care less about being humane when it comes to the death penalty. So as it's cheap and efficient, it's good enough. A lot of states are experimenting with new methods because drug companies won't supply them with the drugs needed for lethal injection, so now it's like a fucked up chemistry experiment and prisoners get to be the guinea pigs. Regardless of how a person feels about the death penalty, there's a whole amendment in the Constitution about cruel and unusual punishment so using a method that a jail *thinks* will work but isn't positive because it sounds good in theory, should be in that category. (Yes, I'm against the death penalty in general, but I still approach everything with an open mind but this isn't the place for that discussion anyway)

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

I read an article written by a witness to the execution. They likened the execution to torture. Is that biased as well?

Of course it's biased; the guy was probably unconscious by then. I've found my source. These quotes are directly (translated) from the PPeH edition June 16 2024:

- the respirator mask had a high flow and was against the advise of several experts
- eyewitnesses reported the guy held his breath for as long as he could and then took small bits of air; this prolonged the loss of consciousness and eventual death
- by holding his breath CO2 was built up in his lungs which had an effect in his blood which caused convulsions; although being traumatically for witnesses it is unlikely Smith was even aware of this
- Nitschke advised against the mask because of possible air leaks (even 20 years ago they advised against using this mask)
- a successful death (peaceful, reliable, fast) by nitrogen requires the full cooperation of the person willing to die; Smith didn't want to die and he fought against this method which prolonged his death
- 70 lpm was used while 15 lpm was advised

There's a video as well where Nitschke explains while nitrogen is horrible for an execution it is still a good way to go for someone who actually wants to die voluntary.