Venting People who ctb are weak

[tears and vomit]

So, I'm staying over at my cousin's place, and she was talking about a girl in her area who had recently taken her own life. I then showed her this website, and she reacted with disgust. For context, she is religious and believes in heaven and hell. She said that people who take their own lives are "stupid and weak." I asked her, "What if someone had lost everything like their job, was homeless, and had a terminal illness that caused them constant pain? Would it be understandable then?" She replied that no, it was still weak and crazy, and that such a person should either try to fix their life or endure their suffering until God chose to end it.

Hearing this felt unsettling and made me sad, especially because she did not know about my own suicide attempts or the fact that I am still trying to ctb. Her words left me feeling ashamed and stuck, since death might be the only relief for me, but at the same time, I became afraid that if I were to die by suicide, I would bring shame upon everyone I know.

Does anyone else have any family/friends who think like this? How did u deal with this?

Edit: I guess I'll just accept that I'm seen as a coward, and that the only way I can find peace is by ending my life.

 

[Dejected 55]

If someone I know said something like that to me, I wouldn't want them around. It's very unkind at the least, and really cruel. For someone to think that so much that they feel free saying it out loud with no remorse, means they really feel that little for the plights of others. And coming from a person whose religion theoretically they would tell you was about love and family... it just would turn me away in a heartbeat.

 

[MydnytSorrow]

My family reacts the same way. Super religious. I also showed my sister this website and she reacted with disgust and saying how bad it was and the whole pro-life speech. I explained to her the people in this community can actually understand and sympathize more than my actual family. They know of my past attempts and say it's the devil talking and it makes us weak. I simply told them that people like me are some of the strongest people I know. The strength it takes to just get out of bed and live another day alone is astonishing. Many hugs from me to you!

 

[Doll Steak]

My opinion on this is a bit confusing, because of my self hate I like to think I'm weak for wanting to CTB, on the contrary I think everyone else is not weak for wanting to CTB, Its stupid I know. I think its idiotic to call anyone weak for CTB, most are Ill either mentally or physically, wanting to escape danger is a natural instinct therefore to me suicide is neither brave nor weak, Its just subconscious instinct.

 

[whywere]

It is always so easy to say: "do as I say, NOT as I do!" I have had so darn many folks through the decades tell me that this and that is wrong, evil, I was going to go to Hell, and guess what? They were doing things that were far worse than what I had mentioned.

Folks who "know it all", who love to tell a person how to live and their own lives are a shambles, I NEVER EVER listened.

Like for you, if it was me, I would NOT listen to their babbling and follow your heart and head.

If they are going to point finger(S) at one item, then they will at all items.

Forget them and be yourself period.

Walter

 

[kopebaldy]

I would bring shame upon everyone I know.

I'm so glad I pass this stage already.

Personally, I think the opinions of the normals mean nothing when said opinions are doing nothing except keeping one suffering longer to justify their own self imposed morality.

They don't understand us, they will never sympathize with what we're going through. They speak in the pov of someone looking down on the "stupid and weak" with superiority complex.

So why should any of us be concerned of their opinions?

 

[Daphne]

So, I'm staying over at my cousin's place, and she was talking about a girl in her area who had recently taken her own life. I then showed her this website, and she reacted with disgust. For context, she is religious and believes in heaven and hell. She said that people who take their own lives are "stupid and weak." I asked her, "What if someone had lost everything like their job, was homeless, and had a terminal illness that caused them constant pain? Would it be understandable then?" She replied that no, it was still weak and crazy, and that such a person should either try to fix their life or endure their suffering until God chose to end it.

Hearing this felt unsettling and made me sad, especially because she did not know about my own suicide attempts or the fact that I am still trying to ctb. Her words left me feeling ashamed and stuck, since death might be the only relief for me, but at the same time, I became afraid that if I were to die by suicide, I would bring shame upon everyone I know.

Does anyone else have any family/friends who think like this? How did u deal with this?

For starters, I wouldn't show them this website. Probably wouldn't discuss it much either. I respect they have a different reality than I do. I can't change their opinion; their life experiences will though. For example, in 50 years when your cousin has a terminal illness, she may change her mind because she is personally affected.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

Does anyone else have any family/friends who think like this? How did u deal with this?

Many of us have learned the hard way that this is the default perspective of most people and that's why SaSu exists, to give us a voice.

On the reddit Christian subs it's pretty regular for people to ask about suicide and it's the same old answers saying it's "murder", the devil, going to hell etc. I get the impression that these people feel their ticket to heaven is assured and they narcissistically enjoy feeing superior and on the winning team more so than any real love of God. Spiritual extortionists if you will.

 

[Hystearical]

Why show relatives or friends who you know think the way they do this website?

Religious people shouldn't be calling other people stupid.

Everyone is susceptible to something that will at least make them see the appeal of death. People who are that rigidly against it or find it that alien have just been spared.

The best solution as with any other issue is to find solace and solidarity with people who understand.

 

[Doll Steak]

They speak in the pov of someone looking down on the "stupid and weak" with superiority complex.

Yes exactly, It's almost a narcissistic trait in a way. Rather than be emotionally level headed and sympathetic they'd rather jump to the denial of anyone's suffering and put themselves above it all as a form of avoidance.

 

[The Unanswered Q]

Being in a bad enough position to be considering suicide is incomprehensible to most people, hence why they think anyone who does it must be weak or 'mentally ill'. Trying to argue with them is pointless, because unless they go through it themselves, they will never understand. Highly doubt if she was homeless and terminally ill she would just 'endure' it.

 

[hippiedeath]

I'm letting less and less people get close. Eventually it will just be me and my gun.

 

[tears and vomit]

My family reacts the same way. Super religious. I also showed my sister this website and she reacted with disgust and saying how bad it was and the whole pro-life speech. I explained to her the people in this community can actually understand and sympathize more than my actual family. They know of my past attempts and say it's the devil talking and it makes us weak. I simply told them that people like me are some of the strongest people I know. The strength it takes to just get out of bed and live another day alone is astonishing. Many hugs from me to you!

Holy shit me too :( They kept telling me that Satan was in my head, or they tried blaming it on my internet use, saying I got all my depression and bad thoughts from my phone. After my last overdose, they even brought a priest to read verses over me or something, trying to get the devil out of me, lmao.
Ty I hope we both get what we want in the end <3

I'm so glad I pass this stage already.

Personally, I think the opinions of the normals mean nothing when said opinions are doing nothing except keeping one suffering longer to justify their own self imposed morality.

They don't understand us, they will never sympathize with what we're going through. They speak in the pov of someone looking down on the "stupid and weak" with superiority complex.

So why should any of us be concerned of their opinions?

Sadly, I grew up in a family/culture that was constantly afraid of what other families or people would say about them. Because of that, I grew up surrounded by a lot of shame, and it actually contributed to my suicidal tendencies and anxiety. It made me develop a lot of self-hatred, both toward myself and toward others.

 

[Pluto]

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

So, I'm staying over at my cousin's place, and she was talking about a girl in her area who had recently taken her own life. I then showed her this website, and she reacted with disgust. For context, she is religious and believes in heaven and hell. She said that people who take their own lives are "stupid and weak." I asked her, "What if someone had lost everything like their job, was homeless, and had a terminal illness that caused them constant pain? Would it be understandable then?" She replied that no, it was still weak and crazy, and that such a person should either try to fix their life or endure their suffering until God chose to end it.

Hearing this felt unsettling and made me sad, especially because she did not know about my own suicide attempts or the fact that I am still trying to ctb. Her words left me feeling ashamed and stuck, since death might be the only relief for me, but at the same time, I became afraid that if I were to die by suicide, I would bring shame upon everyone I know.

Does anyone else have any family/friends who think like this? How did u deal with this?

Edit: I guess I'll just accept that I'm seen as a coward, and that the only way I can find peace is by ending my life.

I don't know her but I don't believe she has been through enough pain and misery lasting for years or decades.

 

[Xiaojiu]

So, I'm staying over at my cousin's place, and she was talking about a girl in her area who had recently taken her own life. I then showed her this website, and she reacted with disgust. For context, she is religious and believes in heaven and hell. She said that people who take their own lives are "stupid and weak." I asked her, "What if someone had lost everything like their job, was homeless, and had a terminal illness that caused them constant pain? Would it be understandable then?" She replied that no, it was still weak and crazy, and that such a person should either try to fix their life or endure their suffering until God chose to end it.

Hearing this felt unsettling and made me sad, especially because she did not know about my own suicide attempts or the fact that I am still trying to ctb. Her words left me feeling ashamed and stuck, since death might be the only relief for me, but at the same time, I became afraid that if I were to die by suicide, I would bring shame upon everyone I know.

Does anyone else have any family/friends who think like this? How did u deal with this?

Edit: I guess I'll just accept that I'm seen as a coward, and that the only way I can find peace is by ending my life.

I have people like this in my life too. One of them was someone I considered a best friend. Told me she wants me to saved, etc. smfh

 

[bankai]

I chuckled at your PFP OP.The number of times Megumi tried to CTB with Mahoraga lol.

He's been trying from Season 1.

Anyway, your first mistake is broaching the subject with anyone in real life. Family members and Friends.They don't get it. They're never going to support you in any way when it comes to suicide. I mean, can you blame them? It would almost be like being complicit in your death if they offered any support if that makes sense.

They're definitely going to be vehemently against it, even if they are suicidal themselves.

 

[lasttogo]

I told three people recently , in crisis, that I was going to kill myself. I thought I was going to do it so I had nothing to lose, and I could at least say a real goodbye. Changed my mind because if I do it now it will be out of fear, not because I am actually ready to go yet. I want to do it at the right time. Anyway,

One didn't respond.

Another talked me off the ledge.

The third was most surprising. He said he didn't know that was how bad it has been all this time.

Number three made me feel the most heard. Two was kind in its own way. The first has left me in an awkward position where I don't feel I should message them again until they respond.

The person I didn't tell is the person who already expressed that if I killed myself they would hate me, and I would be selfish. It's hard to make peace with people who think that way. They don't understand that all that mindset does is prevent the suicidal from being able to say goodbye when it is time. It's painful. It's actually selfish of them to want to force people to live that don't want to be alive. If you really love someone, you let them go, as they say.

 

[parentportaldotnet]

i would personally find solace in my own beliefs. my dad is the same way. but at the end of the day, if i ctb, i ctb. he can't do anything about it. if i go to hell, i go to hell. at the very least, i was committed.

 

[Jisatsu]

I personally believe religious people are delusional, they have the ultimate form of coping , something a lot of people like most of us will never fully understand.
I've had people in my life say similar things like that too, and it cuts deep. It's hard enough carrying the weight of wanting to die, and then hearing people dismiss it as weakness makes that weight feel even heavier. For me, it usually comes from people who have never had to sit with the kind of pain that makes you want to disappear. They think endurance is simple when they've never had to endure the same thing.
What helps a little is remembering that their reactions come from their beliefs, not from the reality of what you might be going through.

It doesn't mean your pain isn't real or valid. It just means they can't meet you where you are.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

They say humans are smart.

But look at the many ridiculous illogical uninformed beliefs humans have like that person that said if someone is in constant pain they have to endure suffering. Ridiculous shows that any human can be brainwashed to believe anything even if its totally false.

No there is no reason why I have to accept suffering

There is no reason why i have to live even a minute more even if I weren't suffering

No one can convince me:

Why do I have to live another minute? I don't

Hardly anybody is taught anything real. Ths is 1 reason they also have most people believing that u have to be mentally ill to want to commit suicide

 

[The Final Solution]

I then showed her this website, and she reacted with disgust. For context, she is religious and believes in heaven and hell.

Lil bro what the FUCK did you think was going to happen
Don't show this website to the normals man cmon this is basic stuff

 

[tears and vomit]

whoops

 

[Tiredofit25]

I'm sorry she said that , ive noticed that religious people tend to lack the most empathy. When I told my grandmother, who is an staunch evangelical that I didn't want to talk to my mother anymore because if the abuse and neglect she put me through growing up, which has caused my suicidal and depressive tendencies, my low self esteem and my isolation as an adult. She told me to get over it! They claim their religion is for those that are suffering but if you dare mention your imperfect life and you dont fit into their perfect mold of whatever fantasy land they've created for you . They'll shame you with no remorse

 

[Johnsonn]

Some people simply cannot comprehend the thought that one may not wish to live anymore. I do not even bring up the subject to really anyone these days. Needless to say they would understand if they experienced it, but you cannot blame them for that.

 

[rainatthebusstop]

Does anyone else have any family/friends who think like this? How did u deal with this?

I have told some family members that I am considering to ctb.

My mother kept prattling on and on about how I would be condemned to Hell and that the demons would torture me far more than life would by mocking me and making me watch my loved ones suffer. That suicide is for the weak and that "she didn't raise anyone weak" (she did). I asked her why I should stay alive and she started yelling that it wouldn't be fair to her, someone who tried unsuccessfully to ctb in 2002. And that it'd be unfair to leave her "all alone" (she wouldn't be but I digress)

I think that a lot of this doctrine comes from the idea that God has given people life and that denying Gods gift in such a way is heresy that condemns one straight to Hell. That we all bear crosses, and that none of those crosses would be too heavy for one to carry.
In truth, none of us knows God, not your cousin, not my mother and not whichever type of bible "expert" people chose to gather around to hear preach every Sunday. Hell, we cannot be sure there is one or maybe even more.
But there are certain subjects of God, certain people who have convinced themselves they do. They know God, and they are better for it than anyone who defaults from their way of thinking. They are "Good People". They are free to judge, free of having to consider empathy and free to be hypocrites. They forget that the sinners and the weak are more like them than this abstract inhuman creator who we cannot know or even fathom.

So yeah don't take your cousins words to heart. She would put down an old dog or a horse with broken legs.

Also don't show people suicide forums. There's a reason the OF-COM debacle and the privacy guide are some of the first articles you see when you log on to this side

 

[froggirl9000]

I have an acquaintance who is Christian, who said he believes God would understand.

 

[Andrew10]

A bit late here: My father and a few acquaintances have this mentality, when I delve deeper into that mentality whether it comes from pride, upbringing, religion, etc. I always ask myself: does it really matter? The moment I get on my bus, I will no longer be here. My father will still be here, complaining and calling "weak and coward" a person who is no longer here, calling all kinds and insults, simply for making this decision, but after all, it doesn't matter, it's all subjective and they are simply using terms based on their feelings and their way of thinking, it's all a perspective, I may be a coward, an idiot and weak or not, who cares? I let them think whatever they want about me, it doesn't affect me at all. The words of people who have no value to me are insignificant. In the end those are irrelevant words since I will have achieved my goal and obtained a very valuable gift: peace. While they will have to be here complaining with irrelevant words, with no choice but to accept reality because they can't do anything. I will have already fulfilled my goal. In the end, I will be the one who obtains peace and the one who wins here.