Dejected 55
Visionary
- May 7, 2025
- 2,863
So here's my high-level take on the state of things... and I'm willing, as a man, to recognize that men made the first mistakes that set off the chain reaction of failure in society... but men and women are both now making sure it stays fucked up for as far out as I can see.
In the beginning... man on average was bigger and stronger than woman. So it made a kind of sense for the biggest men to go out and hunt and gather and fight the necessary battles for survival. Meanwhile the women would stay home and along with the less-strong men take care of the home chores and protect the home and children as necessary while the stronger men were away.
Cool enough as far as division of labor goes.
But the problem came over time where men took advantage of their position of perceived power as being stronger on average to oppress women in ways that were not productive to the society. So, the division of labor was still the same, but women began to resent how men treated them and they wished they could just support themselves and not need the men.
Just before the modern era we started to see the increasing movement of women and sympathetic men who pushed for more equality. This is inherently a good thing and should benefit society as a whole. Women should never have been oppressed, and the best person for the necessary job should always be able to do that job as there is plenty of things for everyone to do to support the greater society. There's also no need to oppress one gender/class or another.
In the modern age women are pretty much able to support and fend for themselves completely and do not need men to survive and thrive for the most part. Men and women can coexist in a working environment and each can work and earn their own living, while each is also able to take care of whatever needs taking care of on the home front. For some men and women this means holding a full-time job and cleaning, cooking, yard work, etc. For some it means being able to afford to pay someone else to do some or all of those things for you. Either way, women do not need men to support them anymore and men do not need women to take care of things while they are at work.
But... a sizeable number of women decided equality wasn't enough. They want to retroactively punish men for the years of bad treatment. While I understand the urge, it's also true that punishing people now for things their ancestors did is not productive within society. It just fosters resentment. And, again, to be fair men did take advantage of their position "over" women in the past and there are a lot of men still around today who would love to return to those "good old days" and have women stay at home.
Bad apples on both sides definitely ruin the bunch.
So we have a society now made up of people who really don't need a relationship to survive and build a life. They might or might not want one, but they don't need it. They might want sex, but there are options around that. The only thing we don't yet have a substitute for is children. You don't necessarily have to have sex or a relationship to have children with modern technology but you still need a man and a woman to combine the necessary components to create life. But we have a society of men and women who not only no longer need each other to survive, they seem to increasingly not want each other either.
Women seem to have adopted a previously thought to be male-exclusive view of things... sex is cool for fun, but doesn't have to be for anything else. I'm not shaming men or women here, but if you just look at sex like you would a game of badminton or chess or whatever floats your boat... then love and family and relationships are not a part of it. You can go to most parks and playgrounds and find random people for a game of many kinds for fun for the afternoon. You don't have to know anyone before or after, and you can go back to your work and solitary home life afterwards. Easy peasy. But putting sex on that scale meand you can go for the sex, then go back to your solitary life.
We are increasing the distance between men and women under the guise of equality... but it's like women are continuing to hold men accountable for all things and rub it in, while men are often choosing to shun women and only use them for sex when they can to "get back" at women for daring to be "uppity" and want to work. We just have a lot of people thinking only of themselves and claiming it is "fair" and "equal" when it is just mean and insensitive no matter who does it.
So... for the rare people who do want equality between men and women but also want to build deep relationships together and share life... we are weeded out of society because there don't seem to be very many of us... and even among us, many go through so much rejection and pain that we become broken.
When I was a kid I thought girls were better than boys... I grew up to realize men and women are just as fucked up if you give them the opportunity to show you. People are flawed in all the worst ways. And the dream I had of meeting someone and being in love and having a family and supporting each other and building a life and growing old and learning from each other... that dream is dead for me and many others who share that dream. And this world really isn't worth living in UNLESS you want to "stick it" to everyone else and "get mine" and "fuck the rest" like the majority of society seems to be built upon now.
In the beginning... man on average was bigger and stronger than woman. So it made a kind of sense for the biggest men to go out and hunt and gather and fight the necessary battles for survival. Meanwhile the women would stay home and along with the less-strong men take care of the home chores and protect the home and children as necessary while the stronger men were away.
Cool enough as far as division of labor goes.
But the problem came over time where men took advantage of their position of perceived power as being stronger on average to oppress women in ways that were not productive to the society. So, the division of labor was still the same, but women began to resent how men treated them and they wished they could just support themselves and not need the men.
Just before the modern era we started to see the increasing movement of women and sympathetic men who pushed for more equality. This is inherently a good thing and should benefit society as a whole. Women should never have been oppressed, and the best person for the necessary job should always be able to do that job as there is plenty of things for everyone to do to support the greater society. There's also no need to oppress one gender/class or another.
In the modern age women are pretty much able to support and fend for themselves completely and do not need men to survive and thrive for the most part. Men and women can coexist in a working environment and each can work and earn their own living, while each is also able to take care of whatever needs taking care of on the home front. For some men and women this means holding a full-time job and cleaning, cooking, yard work, etc. For some it means being able to afford to pay someone else to do some or all of those things for you. Either way, women do not need men to support them anymore and men do not need women to take care of things while they are at work.
But... a sizeable number of women decided equality wasn't enough. They want to retroactively punish men for the years of bad treatment. While I understand the urge, it's also true that punishing people now for things their ancestors did is not productive within society. It just fosters resentment. And, again, to be fair men did take advantage of their position "over" women in the past and there are a lot of men still around today who would love to return to those "good old days" and have women stay at home.
Bad apples on both sides definitely ruin the bunch.
So we have a society now made up of people who really don't need a relationship to survive and build a life. They might or might not want one, but they don't need it. They might want sex, but there are options around that. The only thing we don't yet have a substitute for is children. You don't necessarily have to have sex or a relationship to have children with modern technology but you still need a man and a woman to combine the necessary components to create life. But we have a society of men and women who not only no longer need each other to survive, they seem to increasingly not want each other either.
Women seem to have adopted a previously thought to be male-exclusive view of things... sex is cool for fun, but doesn't have to be for anything else. I'm not shaming men or women here, but if you just look at sex like you would a game of badminton or chess or whatever floats your boat... then love and family and relationships are not a part of it. You can go to most parks and playgrounds and find random people for a game of many kinds for fun for the afternoon. You don't have to know anyone before or after, and you can go back to your work and solitary home life afterwards. Easy peasy. But putting sex on that scale meand you can go for the sex, then go back to your solitary life.
We are increasing the distance between men and women under the guise of equality... but it's like women are continuing to hold men accountable for all things and rub it in, while men are often choosing to shun women and only use them for sex when they can to "get back" at women for daring to be "uppity" and want to work. We just have a lot of people thinking only of themselves and claiming it is "fair" and "equal" when it is just mean and insensitive no matter who does it.
So... for the rare people who do want equality between men and women but also want to build deep relationships together and share life... we are weeded out of society because there don't seem to be very many of us... and even among us, many go through so much rejection and pain that we become broken.
When I was a kid I thought girls were better than boys... I grew up to realize men and women are just as fucked up if you give them the opportunity to show you. People are flawed in all the worst ways. And the dream I had of meeting someone and being in love and having a family and supporting each other and building a life and growing old and learning from each other... that dream is dead for me and many others who share that dream. And this world really isn't worth living in UNLESS you want to "stick it" to everyone else and "get mine" and "fuck the rest" like the majority of society seems to be built upon now.
