Help Partial vs full suspension hanging

[Definitelyworried]

http://theync.com/suicide/syrian-girl-suicide-on-webcam.htm

 

[spicyfriedtofu]

http://theync.com/suicide/syrian-girl-suicide-on-webcam.htm

That choking sounds after 25 seconds of suspension terrifies me. Was she still conscious and suffocating then?

Also, at 02:53 she raises her legs and arms in a way as if she was sitting in chair. I've seen this in another hanging video. Does anyone know what this means? And the jerking movements and other types of muscle movements, do they occur after consciousness/death or can they still be conscious and alive? After a few seconds of those muscles movements, most seem to be completely "relaxed".

 

[millefeui]

Also, at 02:53 she raises her legs and arms in a way as if she was sitting in chair. I've seen this in another hanging video. Does anyone know what this means? And the jerking movements and other types of muscle movements, do they occur after consciousness/death or can they still be conscious and alive? After a few seconds of those muscles movements, most seem to be completely "relaxed".

That is just a reaction. Bodies frequently do that after the person die. I have a cousin who worked with funerary stuff and she saw that happen very often when preparing the bodies for funerals.

 

[Definitelyworried]

That choking sounds after 25 seconds of suspension terrifies me. Was she still conscious and suffocating then?

Also, at 02:53 she raises her legs and arms in a way as if she was sitting in chair. I've seen this in another hanging video. Does anyone know what this means? And the jerking movements and other types of muscle movements, do they occur after consciousness/death or can they still be conscious and alive? After a few seconds of those muscles movements, most seem to be completely "relaxed".

I asked myself a lot of the questions you just asked, I don't know if she was concious or not when that was happening, I don't know what could have been going on in her brain. But if I had to guess maybe she was uncouncious, at least I hope so.

 

[TooLate2582]

That choking sounds after 25 seconds of suspension terrifies me. Was she still conscious and suffocating then?

Also, at 02:53 she raises her legs and arms in a way as if she was sitting in chair. I've seen this in another hanging video. Does anyone know what this means? And the jerking movements and other types of muscle movements, do they occur after consciousness/death or can they still be conscious and alive? After a few seconds of those muscles movements, most seem to be completely "relaxed".

She's already out. Her involuntary actions combined with the body's desire to breathe caused those sounds. She got the weight off the scarf for a split second by happenstance. She's not going to come back around with those partial gasps. All the movement is lizard brain stuff and decerebrate posturing.

 

[spicyfriedtofu]

She's already out. Her involuntary actions combined with the body's desire to breathe caused those sounds. She got the weight off the scarf for a split second by happenstance. She's not going to come back around with those partial gasps. All the movement is lizard brain stuff and decerebrate posturing.

Thanks. I've noticed that peculiar wrist posture in a lot of hangings too. That would indicate coma then.

 

[TooLate2582]

Thanks. I've noticed that peculiar wrist posture in a lot of hangings too. That would indicate coma then.

More indicative of brain injury

 

[nuclearsnake]

If you do a slipknot (when going with partial) and pass out is there a chance you might survive? It seems pretty safe to me but you never know.

 

[Ashtar]

Sorry for reactivating the post, and for bad english (not my native language)

Could anyone tell me if this would be effective while lying down? If so, what position? I'm asking for a reason: I tried this kneeling and standing, but when I'm beginning to lose consciousness I despair and end up giving up, my legs start to shake and I give up because I prefer to be in a comfortable position until I totally lose consciousness . So if done lying down, where exactly does the node need to be positioned? I also tried doing this while too drunk to soften the feeling of despair but it did not work out, I'm sure if I'm lying down I would fight against my instincts and let it happen.
I'm sorry if I'm bothering u!

 

[BjartNO]

That took so long, it seems he started applying pressure around 1:30 and didn't pass out until 5 mins later at around 6:30.

Having tried this method a few times, I find sitting down with force (rope pulling up bodyweight forcing down) like the other video works well. After practice on the angles, etc. I find having the rope in a straight line and high under the chin with the knot on the back of the neck to works well. With this setup I could pass out in roughly 15 secs, the problem is I never have the willpower to stay the course. I've been choked out in jiu-jitsu once before and also from the choking game but the knowledge you'll never wake up again is incredibly daunting.

Seeing how your a jiu jitsu guy: What kind of rope do you think is optimal for pressure on carotid? In terms of breadth
Also "high under the chin" --> above adams apple?

 

[Deivis]

Guys... If any of you still have those live webcam vids... would you put them password-protected of Mega or Dropbox
and PM me the links? I'd like to study them. Not for any snuff value, fuck that sick shit.... But I've seen someone posting the links, but it's either deleted or the registration is closed.....

 

[Jon86]

Seeing how your a jiu jitsu guy: What kind of rope do you think is optimal for pressure on carotid? In terms of breadth
Also "high under the chin" --> above adams apple?

Above the adams apple right under the chin is best in my experience. A nylon rope has worked the best for myself. The static rope I have doesn't fully lock on as well (open space between part of the rope near the knot and neck) and is more painful. The problem is a nylon rope isn't as strong so it 'could' break although for partial it shouldn't be a problem. The one I have is rated for around 180lbs, which is around my bw so for partial it should be fine. I find the stretch from the nylon rope makes it more comfortable.

 

[Ashtar]

Above the adams apple right under the chin is best in my experience. A nylon rope has worked the best for myself. The static rope I have doesn't fully lock on as well (open space between part of the rope near the knot and neck) and is more painful. The problem is a nylon rope isn't as strong so it 'could' break although for partial it shouldn't be a problem. The one I have is rated for around 180lbs, which is around my bw so for partial it should be fine. I find the stretch from the nylon rope makes it more comfortable.

Really? I never tried this way, my adams apple it's a bit too big and always try to put the rope below my adams apple, mainly due to swallowing discomfort (Funny how all our impulses disturb suicide, doesn't?)
But I will try this way, thank's Jon86

 

[Ashtar]

Well, right, my biggest problem here isn't the height of the rope but the localization (front, back, right or left). I understand that hanging can kill u for many mechanisms, but I think I'm looking for the principal: block the fuckin' carotid veins to cut the blood (and, consequently, the oxygen) supply to brain. Considering that we have them on both sides (someone correct me if I'm wrong) where would it be more appropriate to put the knot?

 

[Jon86]

Really? I never tried this way, my adams apple it's a bit too big and always try to put the rope below my adams apple, mainly due to swallowing discomfort (Funny how all our impulses disturb suicide, doesn't?)
But I will try this way, thank's Jon86

That is a bit of an issue, I experience that as well with the adam's apple. Try to get the noose as high as possible under the chin and have it pulling up to avoid it going over the adam's apple. With enough pressure, it shouldn't slip over the adam's apple as much but you may get a bit of jaw discomfort but it's bearable imo.

 

[Ashtar]

Right, thank you man. So, in your opinion and experience, should I put the knot in the front? (If not, where?)
I need to know that to find the perfect position
I'll spare u all from the details of why (If you want to know, contact me) but I only can do that at weekend...
I'm putting together the maximum amount of information here to try next weekend

 

[Jon86]

Right, thank you man. So, in your opinion and experience, should I put the knot in the front? (If not, where?)
I need to know that to find the perfect position

What's worked for me is the knot in the back. I sit down in a full squat position, the noose tightens quite a bit and then I slowly work towards a full sitting position with the noose pulling up with lots of tension. You don't want your ass fully on the floor although i'm sure it would still work but if your just above the ground there will be more weight on the neck to fully seal the deal.

 

[Ashtar]

Make sense, yeah. One time I had a test kneeling with the knot exactly how u said. I start to feeling the classic numb of sensorial feelings (anyone who tried knows what I'm talking about) and before I took out I had auditory hallucinations... I will gather courage...

 

[AndyCurious]

If you really want to hang yourself, and you think about partial or full suspension, I believe full suspension is the best.. Why partial, when you can go for full? Using partial, you can get out of it and survive, with full, you get to the point of no return ;) If you can, find a high enough beam, or a branch, maybe 9 or 10 feet up, use a stepladder, tighten noose around your neck, and off you go ;)

 

[Aesthler]

When I think about this method I always think about Robin Williams and how he used a belt and wedged it between a door. I've tested it out and it seemed like it could really work that way but I always felt uncomfortable to the point of panic when I tried

 

[Ashtar]

If you really want to hang yourself, and you think about partial or full suspension, I believe full suspension is the best.. Why partial, when you can go for full? Using partial, you can get out of it and survive, with full, you get to the point of no return ;) If you can, find a high enough beam, or a branch, maybe 9 or 10 feet up, use a stepladder, tighten noose around your neck, and off you go ;)

In fact, I've thought that way. The problem here is to find a stronger rope (as like the ligature) and it is EXTREMELY uncomfortable to die this way (and it probably takes longer) ... I always think that if it is not a quick and painless death not worth it, because If it is to suffer, just continue alive. What's more, this is a suicide test, if you REALLY want to die a partial suspension is quick and painless.

 

[Ashtar]

I do not know how far this video is real, but it seems to me a relatively painless death. I mean, partial suspension is much more painless than full suspension because you simple pass out. The only uncomfortable thing here is to fight your survival instincts for a few seconds before you lose consciousness.


Tip: It may be more painless and fun if you do that huffing paint thinner with diethyl ether

 

[Ashtar]

I read somewhere that partial hanging also involves cardiac arrhythmia or something. How does it work? I take amitriptyline, which is well known to cause arrhythmias (although I tried amitriptyline cocktail and it did not work), would taking amitriptyline earlier help the hanging? Just a thought

 

[Ashtar]

Someone please help me, I try to hang myself a couple minutes ago and I find just one position that block the carotid veins (kneeling) but breathing become very deep, fast and hard... I know that isn't right because other times I've tried I was breathing "normal" in a relative way before pass out and the pain in my neck was more hard too. My question is: what positions of the knot make more "easy" to get unconscious? I need specifically locals so I can find a more comfortable position that's not kneeling. Maybe, if anyone knows, I'd like to know how to reduce the pain max possible (besides put a cloth between the rope and the neck, it helps a lot and left no marks).
Looking to Lyle Stevik case.

 

[dman12009]

I found the one time I was almost successful with hanging leaning forward was the way to go. Anytime I tried a crouching position I would just start to gag enough to catch air. Plus it was a lot more painful so after enough time and my instincts kicking in I would just stand up. Leaning forward though not completely painless was a lot easier and I passed out rather quickly. I only survived because the belt became dislodged but it helped me realize I could actually do it

 

[Leo]

I do not know how far this video is real, but it seems to me a relatively painless death. I mean, partial suspension is much more painless than full suspension because you simple pass out. The only uncomfortable thing here is to fight your survival instincts for a few seconds before you lose consciousness.


Tip: It may be more painless and fun if you do that huffing paint thinner with diethyl ether

Her death wasn't pain-free. See her face getting purple. All pressure inside veins of face.

 

[Leo]

I found the one time I was almost successful with hanging leaning forward was the way to go. Anytime I tried a crouching position I would just start to gag enough to catch air. Plus it was a lot more painful so after enough time and my instincts kicking in I would just stand up. Leaning forward though not completely painless was a lot easier and I passed out rather quickly. I only survived because the belt became dislodged but it helped me realize I could actually do it

Leaning forward worked for me too. But after you get unconscious , chances are there pressure may reduce on artery. That's why I didn't continue.

 

[Leo]

Someone please help me, I try to hang myself a couple minutes ago and I find just one position that block the carotid veins (kneeling) but breathing become very deep, fast and hard... I know that isn't right because other times I've tried I was breathing "normal" in a relative way before pass out and the pain in my neck was more hard too. My question is: what positions of the knot make more "easy" to get unconscious? I need specifically locals so I can find a more comfortable position that's not kneeling. Maybe, if anyone knows, I'd like to know how to reduce the pain max possible (besides put a cloth between the rope and the neck, it helps a lot and left no marks).
Looking to Lyle Stevik case.

Try knot behind neck and press ligature against carotid.

 

[TTh]

I do not know how far this video is real, but it seems to me a relatively painless death. I mean, partial suspension is much more painless than full suspension because you simple pass out. The only uncomfortable thing here is to fight your survival instincts for a few seconds before you lose consciousness.


Tip: It may be more painless and fun if you do that huffing paint thinner with diethyl ether

I don't get it. Did she just tie a ligature around her neck and lie down?

 

[Thanassis]

Someone please help me, I try to hang myself a couple minutes ago and I find just one position that block the carotid veins (kneeling) but breathing become very deep, fast and hard... I know that isn't right because other times I've tried I was breathing "normal" in a relative way before pass out and the pain in my neck was more hard too. My question is: what positions of the knot make more "easy" to get unconscious? I need specifically locals so I can find a more comfortable position that's not kneeling. Maybe, if anyone knows, I'd like to know how to reduce the pain max possible (besides put a cloth between the rope and the neck, it helps a lot and left no marks).
Looking to Lyle Stevik case.

@Ashtar, hi. I'm Takyon, good to see you. I am planning on using a scarf (echarpe, in PT). I am going to place the knot in the back if I can, and on the right side. I hope it works.