Parents need to push their children out the house at 18

[autisticalex]

Been reading a lot of suicide breavement from the fixthe26 ppl. One thing I've noticed is they say how their children who ctb still live with them in their 20s... No wonder they are depressed. No job, no place of their own, no relationship probably. Their parents even probably made them stay so they could keep control.

Parents need to kick the children out way they are 18, and make them find a job and their own place. University just prolongs childhood, especially when most courses are garbage and ppl just go to get drunk for 3 years.

If they are feeling suicidal or you are too and don't have a job and still rely on your parents you should be doing everything to get a job ( I don't care how shit it is), get your own apartment and get a girlfriend to rely on you (not an Instagram model but a normal girl, there are plenty of ugly girls too so don't give me that shit about being rejected for being too ugly)
This post was mainly made for men in their 20s. I just can't emphasize with women or men on their 40s because the situation is so alien to my own I'm not in the position to give advice

 

[noaccount]

I can be ugly and still reject people.

 

[Lupgevif]

I am not defending the Fix26, but you are full of shit.

"University just prolongs childhood, especially when most courses are garbage and ppl just go to get drunk for 3 years." You sound like you never been to one.

 

[shy]

Independence is good, but I don't think anybody can just move out at 18. Economy is shit, rent is expensive most places and the homeless lifestyle isn't for everyone.

 

[Tkmiz_Tsukumizu]

I disagree, if you have children you need to expect that you are taking a LIFELONG commitment to being a parent. If you kick them out at 18, you have had better provide them with options or give them at least 15k you saved up while they were growing.

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

I agree that everyone should be required to get their own place once they graduate high school. NOTHING is more CTB-provoking that still having a curfew and still answering to authority figures as a legal adult. Many lives could be saved just by having nascent adults get out from under their parents' roofs, and live as free, independent men and women.

What I DO NOT agree with is having everyone go to college. Obtaining alcohol and keeping it in one's dorm has become too difficult to be worth one's while. And colleges as an institution have become liberal indoctrination camps, not places of learning. If I could live my life all over again, I would NOT go to college. It was a waste of my time and money.

Instead of college, people should get IT certificates or take trade courses. They will produce career training just as good, if not better than college. All for less that 20% of the cost, and without the liberal indoctrination. And it was liberal politicians that made me was to CTB in the first place, with their tyrannical quarantine, mask, and social distancing rulings.

 

[Tkmiz_Tsukumizu]

I agree that everyone should be required to get their own place once they graduate high school. NOTHING is more CTB-provoking that still having a curfew and still answering to authority figures as a legal adult. Many lives could be saved just by having nascent adults get out from under their parents' roofs, and live as free, independent men and women.

What I DO NOT agree with is having everyone go to college. Obtaining alcohol and keeping it in one's dorm has become too difficult to be worth one's while. And colleges as an institution have become liberal indoctrination camps, not places of learning. If I could live my life all over again, I would NOT go to college. It was a waste of my time and money.

That's true being independent gives you a new take on life and meaning. Becoming your own person. Trade schools are nice, Colleges too depending on what you go for.

 

[kovkay]

I feel like this might be a troll

 

[unlovible000]

I'm 18 and still live with mine, and my uncle is 60 and still lives with his. At this point once I leave my family, I'd go homeless.

 

[Meretlein]

A lot of people can't afford to move out. Moving out is especially hard when one is bogged down with severe mental health issues.

With that being said, the lack of independence they had (or felt like they had) must have been cancer for their mental health. People living with their parents should try and branch out. It doesn't have to be moving out instantly but they should try to work, have a social life, and/or go to school.

I can often read the misery between the lines when reading stories about SS members who ctbed.

 

[Tkmiz_Tsukumizu]

A lot of people can't afford to move out. Moving out is especially hard when one is bogged down with severe mental health issues.

With that being said, the lack of independence they had (or felt like they had) must have been cancer for their mental health. People living with their parents should try and branch out. It doesn't have to be moving out instantly but they should try to work, have a social life, and/or go to school.

I can often read the misery between the lines when reading stories about SS members who ctbed.

That is true, moving out can be the break you need mentally to fully adjust and move on in life. Sometimes its not yourself that could be the problem but your environment and lack of independence, which is why I think people should try their best to move out when they can at least, before thinking of ending their life. At least, that is my take on it. Having a social life or being busy with schooling or work can also help, not being home all the time if living with family due to cultural reasons.

Moving out right now is ridiculously expensive sadly in this society.

 

[Pen>Sword]

I feel like this might be a troll

Nah. autisticalex is an active user. He or she has been through a lot. Venting and lashing out is completely normal.

 

[justagirl]

A lot of people can't afford to move out. Moving out is especially hard when one is bogged down with severe mental health issues.

With that being said, the lack of independence they had (or felt like they had) must have been cancer for their mental health. People living with their parents should try and branch out. It doesn't have to be moving out instantly but they should try to work, have a social life, and/or go to school.

I can often read the misery between the lines when reading stories about SS members who ctbed.

Exactly. I work full time, often overtime, with a wage well above minimum wage, and I could not afford an apartment by myself. Gotta love the cost of living.
I am all for branching out and building a life, though. If you're just sitting at home not working, not socializing, not getting an education, but just simply existing? That would definitely make life more unbearable than it already is.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

You're right that moving out can be what people need but there simply aren't enough empty houses for every millennial and zoomer even if they were being given out for free. Moving to a shared living space with roommates can also sometimes be an even worse experience than living with selfish parents because even parents have to pretend to care while there's no telling what kind of cruelty an unfamiliar roommate could be capable of.

Where I live, a lot of people are actually more depressed because their parents are forcing them to move out knowing that their children will have nowhere to go because even when they have bachelor degrees the average house costs too much even to rent so it's not always a good solution.

I'm lucky my mom isn't pressuring me too hard to move out though it makes it really hard to develop or even want to develop independent living skills. That's probably because I'm needed there to help deal with my autistic sister who you can argue is definitely holding me back but what am I supposed to do? Kill her? Not happening. I do have some experience living somewhat on my own though. I was in the dorms for a few years at my old university but I actually went more insane there.

 

[Tkmiz_Tsukumizu]

Nah. autisticalex is an active user. He or she has been through a lot. Venting and lashing out is completely normal.

Doesn't give him an excuse to act like that towards other users.

 

[hatelife]

When I moved out it only got worse, i was more alone, sometimes the problem is ones brain too, also why work and try to socialize if one always feels left out anyways and let down by a so called God, he seems to have some favourites if he exists, loves to watch ppl starve in yemen n syria for 10 plus yrs but gives the world to others who dont really deserve it. What is the point of this stupid life?

 

[262653]

I wish I was pushed out when I was 8.

 

[Makko]

I feel like this might be a troll

We're all trolls here.

 

[justagirl]

You're right that moving out can be what people need but there simply aren't enough empty houses for every millennial and zoomer even if they were being given out for free. Moving to a shared living space with roommates can also sometimes be an even worse experience than living with selfish parents because even parents have to pretend to care while there's no telling what kind of cruelty an unfamiliar roommate could be capable of.

Where I live, a lot of people are actually more depressed because their parents are forcing them to move out knowing that their children will have nowhere to go because even when they have bachelor degrees the average house costs too much even to rent so it's not always a good solution.

I'm lucky my mom isn't pressuring me too hard to move out though it makes it really hard to develop or even want to develop independent living skills. That's probably because I'm needed there to help deal with my autistic sister who you can argue is definitely holding me back but what am I supposed to do? Kill her? Not happening. I do have some experience living somewhat on my own though. I was in the dorms for a few years at my old university but I actually went more insane there.

My bachelor's degree is a useless piece of paper without a master's or PhD. Take on more debt to never crawl out of it? Not so sure about that.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

I'd love to get kicked out, then I could actually have a real push factor to get that rope tied.

 

[omoidarui]

If they are feeling suicidal or you are too and don't have a job and still rely on your parents you should be doing everything to get a job ( I don't care how shit it is), get your own apartment and get a girlfriend to rely on you

true but probably something Kelli said to her son Junior and we all know what good that did.

 

[Grav]

I left the house at 18 and into the military. I did move back home though mostly to help my disabled mom but it did give me time to look around and see what's what. I was always ready to move on so never really was "home". Telling me the cat stayed vs me was a nice bit of news (got out and developed pretty bad asthma and cat was big irritant). Now with my kid once she gets out of college she can live here but is working with the aim of getting out. If shit hits the fan she can come back but she needs to get on her own which she is learning a bit at school. I do have a buddy who's kid is 26, at home, doesn't work, etc and it's just odd to me cause he was booted at 18 and had to make his way. As for US colleges, most are high school +1-5 unless you're going for a productive degree. Too many have been sold on "hey everything is valuable" and suck up the debt and then "shock" find out there's no job and the market will determine your worth. It was a toss up between trade school and 4yr college for the kid. Many more should have taken a look at trades, be in a better place probably financially. Not everyone is prepared to be jettisoned at 18 but also a lot of parents don't take the time to prepare them either. Amazing in a country of the dollar and for the dollar there's such little financial literacy.

 

[Lupgevif]

And as others said, there is not enough housing out there for everyone, and finding a shitty job just makes it harder to afford a proper home without getting into bad debt. All of the most successful people in my college year STILL live with their parents, all while dating, working and buying things for themselves, and being OFFERED jobs (instead of seeking it themselves, it is their fucking employers that sought them; such is the power of the degree they managed to get, thank god a third world country like mine has public, accessible and good education that doesn't give you crippling debt, different from the land of freedom lmao). It doesn't matter if you live or not with your parents, what matters is how the parents raised their kids to be able to do things on their own, it would make no difference being kicked out of the house at 18 if the parents did not teach the kid how to fucking live.

 

[Good4Nothing]

I was kicked out when I was 18, and I was pissed because I wasn't prepared, like at all. Nothing in my life up to that time had prepared me for life in the real world.

But I'm glad I was, and I agree with OP.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

they should try to work, have a social life, and/or go to school.

 

[MrBigSad]

I feel like this might be a troll

The names just now crossed out. Think they came and left, or got banned for being a douche

 

[QuietPrism]

I think you're right, although it's not feasible for everyone.

I live with my father, at 33, but I didn't always.

It's a bit of a complex situation.

But yeah, it's like you said, no shit I'm miserable, because I have no job, no life, or place of my own.

 

[MYStERY_Man]

I was kicked out when I was 18, and I was pissed because I wasn't prepared, like at all. Nothing in my life up to that time had prepared me for life in the real world.

But I'm glad I was, and I agree with OP.

Meh. I don't really come to this section because I don't want to get "better".

That's not to say I'm committed to being a lifelong NEET. I'm starting a new job next month; I want to go back to the gym, but COVID restrictions make it awkward; I'm learning programming on my own and will try to go back to uni to study Computer Science next year. If not dead, I have milestones for the next 10 years.

Key: if not dead. I don't want these things to get better, I just do. And I want to die.

Realistically, if I was kicked out today instead of leaving by myself next year, I'd have to spend all my income to stay alive and I'd have to go to uni with no money in a post-COVID crisis, risking homelessness, or just give up, jump head on into the poverty trap and settle for living a small-town life forever. And I won't.

Can they kick me out? Sure. But just like they're free to impose me unnecessary hardships that would render my milestones pretty much unreachable, I'm free to reject the reality they've made for me. I'm with GenesAndEnvironment in this one. Kick me out today, I'll get a 5-star room, a bottle of vodka, and a rope.

You won't hear from me again, you won't hear from the ones who found themselves in the streets and got addicted to meth, heroin, or must sell their body because they value survival more than I do. I'd be dead. They don't even know about this forum, they don't have a voice. Maybe you're strong and I'm not, not everyone is.

So, to kick someone out expecting it to be a net positive for them... dangerous stuff. To put people through a grind to separate weak from strong... maybe? But how moral is it to socialize the problem I'm not so sure. It's easy to say "you're 18, you're your own problem now", but that's not quite how it works. Sometimes there's you, sometimes there's me, sometimes there's a would-be NEET who is a homeless, an addict, or a full-blown criminal in and out of jail their whole life. This latter one isn't really a him/her problem, it's a society problem. However, society didn't breed this human, their parents did. Why shouldn't they bear the cost?

 

[aneurysm]

Been reading a lot of suicide breavement from the fixthe26 ppl. One thing I've noticed is they say how their children who ctb still live with them in their 20s... No wonder they are depressed. No job, no place of their own, no relationship probably. Their parents even probably made them stay so they could keep control.

Parents need to kick the children out way they are 18, and make them find a job and their own place. University just prolongs childhood, especially when most courses are garbage and ppl just go to get drunk for 3 years.

If they are feeling suicidal or you are too and don't have a job and still rely on your parents you should be doing everything to get a job ( I don't care how shit it is), get your own apartment and get a girlfriend to rely on you (not an Instagram model but a normal girl, there are plenty of ugly girls too so don't give me that shit about being rejected for being too ugly)
This post was mainly made for men in their 20s. I just can't emphasize with women or men on their 40s because the situation is so alien to my own I'm not in the position to give advice

Most compassionate post ever. Idiots will think you're heartless.

This is why I consider my parents evil. They want me to be dependent on them by any means. Any.

 

[Lupgevif]

It's not about being heartless, it's about being oblivious to the reality of this world and thinking being kicked out of home is the solution for depression, as if there isn't homelessness, loneliness, ever increasing unemployment and debt, things that also cause depression. Also, I think OP got banned because they posted a whole rap song about quitting porn, but it was full of slurs, in this very thread.