new report of a case of fatal ingesting SN, Despite receiving emergency treatment

[loopylou]

No recollection? So, you may have been in pain then?

I dunno I wasn't in pain when I came around. Just shows How strong the mind tries to live. Even if the body says no

 

[checkouttime]

Source national kidney foundation!!!!!!!! took me the time it took to type the question in google to find the answer!!

Does an individual feel any pain or suffer after brain death is declared?​

No. When someone is dead, there is no feeling of pain or suffering.

What does "brain death" mean?​

Brain death is a legal definition of death. It is the complete stopping of all brain function and cannot be reversed. It means that, because of extreme and serious trauma or injury to the brain, the body's blood supply to the brain is blocked, and the brain dies. Brain death is death. It is permanent.

They have it in pill form. I went through that article and translated it. They reported the patient was too weak to get to the door when the rescuers came so they broke down the door. They arrived 12 minutes after she called them. She was still conscious at the hospital, had a brain CT scan, then her heart stopped. It's very sad, and seeing her pictures increases the sadness.

so did you sign upto that site for the £60 a year subscription just to read that article? Wow thats alot of effort for someone to make just because a thread was made on here, i must say!

 

[Pure]

Hypoxic brain injury is so terrifying

 

[ClairyFairy]

They have it in pill form. I went through that article and translated it.

I read the whole thing as well. It was so well written from both points of view I thought

It's very sad, and seeing her pictures increases the sadness.

I thought that too

 

[checkouttime]

yeah i read it aswell, i just payed my £60 subscription for the year, i thought it was well worth the effort made for a random thread on the internet

wow if ONLY people believed everything i wrote because i said it happened on the internet and my mates agreed!!

 

[Lost Magic]

So for anybody wanting to end it proper, get rid of your phone and just accept your choice. I am going to be alone so I may have to send a delayed email beforehand.

 

[justpeachy]

This is one reason I dislike doctors so much. This is cruel, about as cruel a thing as anyone can do. To restart a heart and leave a brain dead living corpse, when death would have been so much kinder.
To re-animate a corpse and force the heart to beat again after technical death has occurred is a mindless horror.

The thing is this person clearly wanted to be saved, they willingly went to the emergency and they were alert upon arriving. They didn't lose consciousness until they arrested in the actual ER. The ER doctors can't determine brain death and then save someone. To diagnose accurate brain death you need far more time than you can waste when someone arrests. So are they supposed to just stop treating any person who arrests? That seems pretty cruel to people that want to live. And even some ppl that CTB in the end want to leave and seek help like this person did. Should the ER doctors have said no stop cpr were going to take at least 1-3 hours to determine 100% brain death which also requires multiple physicians to review it and typically neurosurgery which could take an hour at least to arrive. By that point that person is cold and dead. So really not doing anything and testing for brain death isn't a feasible option at all. I work in the emergency department and have seen many lives saved and many lost. If we just stopped caring and gave up immediately that would be tragic for many people who wanted to live. There's no way to determine if someone came in unconscious what their wishes were given many people who admit to regretting their attempt after its taken place and it's absolutely not my choice to make to end someone's life just as much as it isn't my choice to make someone stay alive that doesn't want to be but the reality is that theres certain laws in place that the doctors didn't create. This is their livelihood and if they were just to say nope not doing it they would lose their entire life. So instead of blaming the doctors, you should look upwards at the government that makes these laws and oppose those and protest those laws not the people that genuinely do try to help. Also this is why everyone should get an advance directive and legal papers that state what you do and do not approve of in regards to if you ever do end up brain dead. If you don't do that then they will do full stop everything. They legally are required to. So take that step before you make that choice so you don't put yourself in that position. And make sure you have a copy given to all local hospitals, all family members that may need one or leave one out with your note, and keep copies on you in your pockets or tape it to you.

 

[Ame]

So they even went to get help and still died, interesting. obviously not something to fuck about with unless you want to CTB

Even with prompt medical intervention, there have been cases in which people have died after intentionally ingesting a lethal dose of SN [1]. It is worth noting that in the paper I linked, all of those who died were treated in hospital and given methylene blue. The latter half of your post cannot possibly be understated. Under no circumstances should anyone be taking SN (even in quantities smaller than what is indicated in the PPH) if there is any ambivalence toward death.

Kind of figured it would starve the brain of oxygen . Don't understand why there's this consensus you can take it without consequence

I never understood how the community seems to have come to this consensus either and it one that was established before I joined this forum. Throughout the forum, there was this insistence that one could come away from SN poisoning without sequelae. It is true that most survivors are discharged from hospital with no record of lasting damage, but further study is required, ideally involving those survivors who would be assessed at a later time (to see if that remains to be the case). It is known and clearly indicated on SN's Safety Data Sheet, that the substance is probably carcinogenic, however, there is no guarantee that those taking SN and surviving can expect cancer down the road.

Granted, there are physiological [2] functions [3] that are thought to protect the brain and other tissues from hypoxic damage in low oxygen conditions, but I imagine that there is a limit at which point those functions become overwhelmed. This paper should definitely be added to the Suicide Wiki.

This happened in my country,after ingesting she panicked (because of all the long lasting nasty side affects) and called 911 and when they arrived they took here to the hospital ,a while later after long panic she got unconscious and never woke up ,perfect excample NOT to use this shit and get the right stuff to put you asleep almost immediately.
This is her story,you have to translate it with Google

De 28-jarige Marjolein had spijt van de Laatste Wil-pil. Justitie doet nu onderzoek naar de zaak

De 28-jarige Marjolein nam Middel X in, het dodelijke poeder dat de Coöperatie Laatste Wil aanbeveelt aan mensen die over hun eigen dood willen beschikken. Maar Marjolein, die in haar leven er alles aan deed om van haar suïcidale gedachten af te komen, kreeg al snel spijt en belde 112. Volgens...

www.volkskrant.nl

I don't know if there are restrictions imposed on those who access this article from certain regions, but beyond a little prompt encouraging me to subscribe to the paper, I was able to access and read the article in its entirety without having to pay a £60 subscription fee. I haven't any idea where in the article it says Marjolein took SN pills, because one paragraph in particular stood out to me and I've included the original Dutch in the event that the machine translation failed somewhere:

Original Dutch: "De werking van Middel X is onomkeerbaar. Er is voor zover bekend geen tegengif. De stof legt de energie- en zuurstofvoorziening in de lichaamscellen vrijwel meteen stil. Wie voldoende binnenkrijgt, gaat bijna zeker dood."

English Translation via Google Translate: "The action of Agent [Middel] X is irreversible. There is no known antidote to it. The substance stops the energy and oxygen supply in the body cells almost immediately. Anyone who takes in enough will almost certainly die."​

Marjolein is said to have taken a substance called "Middel X" to end her life and while the mechanism of action appears to be similar to that of SN, it was not what was contained in those pills. Middel X is instead thought to have been SA. For one, SN--ironically used in the clinical setting as an antidote for Cyanide poisoning--and the severe methemoglobinemia that follows ingestion can be treated with the antidote methylene blue. Second, the lethal dose of SA, as per Philip Nitschke, is about 2g, a dose that is considerably more reasonable to be taken in pill form than the currently suggested 25g for SN. There are a few threads on the forum that deal with using pill capsules to take SN and dodge the unpleasant flavour but it was found that the size and number of pills required make that method of delivery rather cumbersome.

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[1] Mudan, A., Repplinger, D., Lebin, J., Lewis, J., Vohra, R., & Smollin, C. (2020). Severe Methemoglobinemia and Death From Intentional Sodium Nitrite Ingestions. The Journal Of Emergency Medicine. doi: 10.1016/j.jemermed.2020.06.031 [Full Text]
[2] Kolluru, G., Prasai, P., Kaskas, A., Letchuman, V., & Pattillo, C. (2016). Oxygen tension, H2S, and NO bioavailability: is there an interaction?. Journal Of Applied Physiology, 120(2), 263-270. doi: 10.1152/japplphysiol.00365.2015 [Full Text]
[3] Hare, G., Tsui, A., Crawford, J., & Patel, R. (2013). Is methemoglobin an inert bystander, biomarker or a mediator of oxidative stress—The example of anemia?. Redox Biology, 1(1), 65-69. doi: 10.1016/j.redox.2012.12.003 [Full Text]

 

[Meditation guide]

Let me explain an angle to this that might have escaped notice. This is a pro life account of what happened. And from what little I've read of pro life articles, they can be colored in such a way to make it seem to be what they choose.

"The ER doctors can't determine brain death and then save someone." @justpeachy I don't want to be brought back to life after my heart has stopped. One reason is what happened to this poor girl, being brought back to life but being brain dead, or having severe brain damage.

@justpeachy also I hate to tell you this but if you are in the USA there is just one state, Oregon, where doctors and ER workers are required to follow do not resuscitate papers. They pay no attention to them in other states.

@justpeachy since you work in an ER it sounds like you are advocating saving lives and that's your job but not all of us want to be saved and that should be our choice but unfortunately we do not have that right DNR or not.

And it's my right to despise doctors because I know they wouldn't be out there asking for laws to allow those who wish to die to actually die. They are very happy with the way things are.

 

[justpeachy]

Let me explain an angle to this that might have escaped notice. This is a pro life account of what happened. And from what little I've read of pro life articles, they can be colored in such a way to make it seem to be what they choose.

"The ER doctors can't determine brain death and then save someone." @justpeachy I don't want to be brought back to life after my heart has stopped. One reason is what happened to this poor girl, being brought back to life but being brain dead, or having severe brain damage.

@justpeachy also I hate to tell you this but if you are in the USA there is just one state, Oregon, where doctors and ER workers are required to follow do not resuscitate papers. They pay no attention to them in other states.

@justpeachy since you work in an ER it sounds like you are advocating saving lives and that's your job but not all of us want to be saved and that should be our choice but unfortunately we do not have that right DNR or not.

And it's my right to despise doctors because I know they wouldn't be out there asking for laws to allow those who wish to die to actually die. They are very happy with the way things are.

Most of what you said is not accurate. The majority of US states do follow DNR papers. I have lived in 3 states and worked in 3 seperate hospitals. We all followed DNRs or prepare to be sued immediately. I'm not sure where you are getting some of your information as it's highly inaccurate. Maybe you aren't from the US. But one quick search will show you that many states indeed follow DNR orders. Here's some examples:

This is from a peer reviewed journal and as of 1992 there were 11 states that followed DNRs. Now there are significantly more. I'm not sure where you got that only Oregon does.... someone gave you very incorrect information based on these medical journals and reputable sources as you can.

Prehospital do-not-resuscitate orders: a survey of state policies in the United States - PubMed

There exists great variation in legal authorization by states for implementation of DNR orders in the prehospital setting. Despite the existence of enabling legislation, many state, regional, or local EMS systems have implemented policies dealing with DNR orders.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

this explains DNRs and advance directives which everyone should have imo. Especially if you do not want to be revived if you arrest. This article also shows you many states that have DNRs or documents that are comparable and include both a DNR plus an advance directive.

Do-Not-Resuscitate Orders

For the elderly or ill, a DNR order can document your desire to avoid CPR. Find out how they work and if you should obtain one.

www.nolo.com

This site also gives very good info on all forms you should have prepared:

Do-Not-Resuscitate Orders

For the elderly or ill, a DNR order can document your desire to avoid CPR. Find out how they work and if you should obtain one.

www.nolo.com

This explains that 49 states allow yourself or family to make the call to not bring you back if you arrest. And also give more info about the many many states that do DNRs.

Do not resuscitate - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I'm not sure if you were implying that I'm pro life just because I disagree with you about doctors? But that's hardly makes me "pro life" if that was your implication. I would love to see any sources you can provide that show only Oregon provide DNRs though. I am very pro choice about everything in my life. I would never not follow a DNR or disrespect a families wishes nor have I ever worked for a provider that would risk their license and not follow a DNR.

 

[Meditation guide]

Most of what you said is not accurate. The majority of US states do follow DNR papers. I have lived in 3 states and worked in 3 seperate hospitals. We all followed DNRs or prepare to be sued immediately. I'm not sure where you are getting some of your information as it's highly inaccurate. Maybe you aren't from the US. But one quick search will show you that many states indeed follow DNR orders. Here's some examples:

This is from a peer reviewed journal and as of 1992 there were 11 states that followed DNRs. Now there are significantly more. I'm not sure where you got that only Oregon does.... someone gave you very incorrect information based on these medical journals and reputable sources as you can.

Prehospital do-not-resuscitate orders: a survey of state policies in the United States - PubMed

There exists great variation in legal authorization by states for implementation of DNR orders in the prehospital setting. Despite the existence of enabling legislation, many state, regional, or local EMS systems have implemented policies dealing with DNR orders.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

this explains DNRs and advance directives which everyone should have imo. Especially if you do not want to be revived if you arrest. This article also shows you many states that have DNRs or documents that are comparable and include both a DNR plus an advance directive.

Do-Not-Resuscitate Orders

For the elderly or ill, a DNR order can document your desire to avoid CPR. Find out how they work and if you should obtain one.

www.nolo.com

This site also gives very good info on all forms you should have prepared:

Do-Not-Resuscitate Orders

For the elderly or ill, a DNR order can document your desire to avoid CPR. Find out how they work and if you should obtain one.

www.nolo.com

This explains that 49 states allow yourself or family to make the call to not bring you back if you arrest. And also give more info about the many many states that do DNRs.

Do not resuscitate - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I'm not sure if you were implying that I'm pro life just because I disagree with you about doctors? But that's hardly makes me "pro life" if that was your implication. I would love to see any sources you can provide that show only Oregon provide DNRs though. I am very pro choice about everything in my life. I would never not follow a DNR or disrespect a families wishes nor have I ever worked for a provider that would risk their license and not follow a DNR.

You have posted several articles. Can you show where they say states have to follow DNR orders? and which states?

I did not say only Oregon provides DNR orders. I said only Oregon was legally required to follow them.

 

[justpeachy]

Nowhere in any of those articles does it say what I mentioned which is that states do not have to follow DNR orders

Can to provide any sort of proof that they don't? Because all these articles that I provided show that they do indeed have DNRs and are legally required to follow them. Also have you been to all the states and every hospital? How do you know nobody follows them? I'm honestly curious if there's some sort of medical journal or study that's determined that. I cannot find that. I can only find the opposite. And it's not accurate that only Oregon is required to follow them. If the state has dnrs they are legally required to follow those. I can provide a link that explains that if needed.

You have posted several articles. Can you show where they say states have to follow DNR orders? and which states?

I did not say only Oregon provides DNR orders. I said only Oregon was legally required to follow them.

And it actually states in multiple of those articles that they are legally required to follow them. Failure to follow them could result in loss of license, fees for the doctor and hospital, and many more things as it should because everyone's wishes should be respected.

 

[Meditation guide]

Please quote the places in the articles that say which states are legally required to follow them.

In addition to posting multiple articles, if there are places in them that talk about the states which require that they be actually followed it would be helpful.

 

[justpeachy]

You have posted several articles. Can you show where they say states have to follow DNR orders? and which states?

I did not say only Oregon provides DNR orders. I said only Oregon was legally required to follow them.

If the state has a DNR then they follow them, a DNR is a legal document that is required to be followed if completed accurately and not under duress. You can't just not follow legal documents because you don't agree or don't want to. That would be disgusting and highly unethical. Sure, there are shitty people out there that probably don't follow things but there are all kinds of awful people out there as most of us know.

 

[Meditation guide]

If the state has a DNR then they follow them, a DNR is a legal document that is required to be followed if completed accurately and not under duress. You can't just not follow legal documents because you don't agree or don't want to

How do you know this? Do you know the laws of all 50 states regarding DNR orders? What makes you think it's a "legal document" with the weight of the law behind it? I'm not trying to argue and I really hate this but it's an interesting question.

 

[justpeachy]

Please quote the places in the articles that say which states are legally required to follow them.

No problem. Here's another article that makes it very clear. First paragraph.

How To Create A Do Not Resuscitate Order (DNR)

A DNR is a medical order that states you don't want cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) if your heart or breathing should stop.

www.everplans.com

I'm not sure how to point out the areas in the few other articles but as you can see I did provide you another one. And here is one more for good measure:

"In the U.S., CPR and advanced cardiac life support (ACLS) will not be performed if a valid written "DNR" order is present."

this article is also great because it breaks it down by state so you can see what each state offers. As you can see every state offer a DNR or an alternative to a DNR that allows you to make that choice which is why it's so important to do that if that's what you want. I have one and I have it in my other papers that I do not want to be kept alive on ventilators, or any life support period

DNR Guidelines for Medical ID Wearers

The DNR request is usually made by the patient or health care power of attorney and allows the medical teams taking care of them to respect their wishes. Learn what DNR information you should engrave on your medical ID

www.americanmedical-id.com

last one I'm providing as I think I've provided more than enough proof at this point and I'm exhausted and want to go to bed.

"Medical professionals who give CPR to people with a DNR order can potentially get into trouble—if they are aware of the DNR. The legal ramifications of giving CPR to someone with a DNR are complex. In some states, DNR orders are only valid within a hospital setting; outside of that, they don't apply."

they do not apply to outside the hospital in some states but they are required legally inside the hospital in all states. but we aren't talking about that as we're talking about the emergency department so that's kind of a moot point.

'Do Not Resuscitate' orders and bystander CPR: Can you get in trouble?

In this post we discuss the ramifications of a bystander performing CPR on a victim who may have a DNR order.

www.cprseattle.com

How do you know this? Do you know the laws of all 50 states regarding DNR orders? What makes you think it's a "legal document" with the weight of the law behind it? I'm not trying to argue and I really hate this but it's an interesting question.

And at the end of the day, I don't want to argue. I am not trying to change your mind about your dislike of doctors. You have that right. I believe that we all have that right and the right to decide what choices we want to make regarding end of life care. I just wanted more people to know about DNRs, advance directives, etc so they can look into them and hopefully complete them prior so their wishes are respected. That's really all I want. I wouldn't want to be kept alive after arresting so I've completed that paperwork. I know a lot of people don't know about it or don't know the laws which differ by state and country but I wanted to at least pass the info on about them so nobody doesn't complete one because they assume they legally won't be required to be followed in the US and then end up having their wishes violated because they never did it. The idea of that bothers me a lot. That's the only reason I've provided the resources, I definitely am not trying to argue.

 

[Meditation guide]

@justpeachy That's an article written by a site that sells DNR orders. At any rate you have your opinion and I have mine.

In a life and death emergency do you think EMTs will stop to check for a DNR order? I don't.

 

[checkouttime]

Even with prompt medical intervention, there have been cases in which people have died after intentionally ingesting a lethal dose of SN [1]. It is worth noting that in the paper I linked, all of those who died were treated in hospital and given methylene blue. The latter half of your post cannot possibly be understated. Under no circumstances should anyone be taking SN (even in quantities smaller than what is indicated in the PPH) if there is any ambivalence toward death.

I never understood how the community seems to have come to this consensus either and it one that was established before I joined this forum. Throughout the forum, there was this insistence that one could come away from SN poisoning without sequelae. It is true that most survivors are discharged from hospital with no record of lasting damage, but further study is required, ideally involving those survivors who would be assessed at a later time (to see if that remains to be the case). It is known and clearly indicated on SN's Safety Data Sheet, that the substance is probably carcinogenic, however, there is no guarantee that those taking SN and surviving can expect cancer down the road.

Granted, there are physiological [2] functions [3] that are thought to protect the brain and other tissues from hypoxic damage in low oxygen conditions, but I imagine that there is a limit at which point those functions become overwhelmed. This paper should definitely be added to the Suicide Wiki.

I don't know if there are restrictions imposed on those who access this article from certain regions, but beyond a little prompt encouraging me to subscribe to the paper, I was able to access and read the article in its entirety without having to pay a £60 subscription fee. I haven't any idea where in the article it says Marjolein took SN pills, because one paragraph in particular stood out to me and I've included the original Dutch in the event that the machine translation failed somewhere:

Original Dutch: "De werking van Middel X is onomkeerbaar. Er is voor zover bekend geen tegengif. De stof legt de energie- en zuurstofvoorziening in de lichaamscellen vrijwel meteen stil. Wie voldoende binnenkrijgt, gaat bijna zeker dood."​

​

English Translation via Google Translate: "The action of Agent [Middel] X is irreversible. There is no known antidote to it. The substance stops the energy and oxygen supply in the body cells almost immediately. Anyone who takes in enough will almost certainly die."​

Marjolein is said to have taken a substance called "Middel X" to end her life and while the mechanism of action appears to be similar to that of SN, it was not what was contained in those pills. Middel X is instead thought to have been SA. For one, SN--ironically used in the clinical setting as an antidote for Cyanide poisoning--and the severe methemoglobinemia that follows ingestion can be treated with the antidote methylene blue. Second, the lethal dose of SA, as per Philip Nitschke, is about 2g, a dose that is considerably more reasonable to be taken in pill form than the currently suggested 25g for SN. There are a few threads on the forum that deal with using pill capsules to take SN and dodge the unpleasant flavour but it was found that the size and number of pills required make that method of delivery rather cumbersome.

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[1] Mudan, A., Repplinger, D., Lebin, J., Lewis, J., Vohra, R., & Smollin, C. (2020). Severe Methemoglobinemia and Death From Intentional Sodium Nitrite Ingestions. The Journal Of Emergency Medicine. doi: 10.1016/j.jemermed.2020.06.031 [Full Text]
[2] Kolluru, G., Prasai, P., Kaskas, A., Letchuman, V., & Pattillo, C. (2016). Oxygen tension, H2S, and NO bioavailability: is there an interaction?. Journal Of Applied Physiology, 120(2), 263-270. doi: 10.1152/japplphysiol.00365.2015 [Full Text]
[3] Hare, G., Tsui, A., Crawford, J., & Patel, R. (2013). Is methemoglobin an inert bystander, biomarker or a mediator of oxidative stress—The example of anemia?. Redox Biology, 1(1), 65-69. doi: 10.1016/j.redox.2012.12.003 [Full Text]

thanks for pointing out you read the article and providing the info on here. I see you easily noticed the article wasn't about SN. Its quite amazing how some people who claim to have 'read' the article proceeded to point out it was a person that had taken SN. It clearly states in the article that the substance was 'middle x'. you have to question the motives of people providing false information when they have stated they 'read' the article. I mean it states in the 1st sentence it wasn't SN, No one could miss that!!!

I guess it enhances the need for people to search things for themselves. Rather than just believe what people have written on the forum and had others agreeing with them. i question the motives myself, i'll let others decide what they think. its all here in black and white!!!

 

[justpeachy]

@justpeachy That's an article written by a site that sells DNR orders. At any rate you have your opinion and I have mine.

In a life and death emergency do you think EMTs will stop to check for a DNR order? I don't.

I provided you with at least 6 sources overall so regardless of how you want to word it, your statement wasn't accurate. It's not an opinion…it's a fact that in the United States a DNR is a legal document and you can be prosecuted for not following it inside of a hospital. EMTs absolutely will follow a DNR that is accessible or if family provides it. I also can provide verifiable sources for that too. DNRs have to be signed by a MD so I'm not sure how that site is selling legal documents signed by MDs that are supposed to visibly assess you. I'm not sure they actually sell them but I also am not sure which site you are referring to as I posted many links.

 

[checkouttime]

wouldn't be the 1st time inaccurate information has been posted by people on this thread...........

A thread about a case of a person using SN, people have said how they had 'read the article'..........

Its clearly states the substance WASN'T SN in the 1st sentence, so they clearly can't read or have other motives for misinformation. oh i might point out a some of them agreed on how they had 'read the article'. I'll leave it upto the members to decide about these comments and how much to listen to what they say here and in future. I know my opinion, people who provide misinformation only have one reason to do so, it really is that obvious.

 

[Ame]

There seems to be some misunderstanding that I hope to clear up. The article posted by OP was in fact a report a case of fatal methaemoglobinaema resulting from sodium nitrite poisoning that was published in the Journal of Acute Medicine. The news article presented in @Stefano's post detailed a case that was not at all related to the one described in the OP. Beyond sharing a common sex and age at the time of death, the two women are not one and the same.

For one, the substances used in the two complete suicide attempts were different (SN vs SA) and lastly, these cases took place in two different countries (the UK vs the Netherlands). You may verify the location of the SN case by clicking on the "Article Info" tab to the left of the abstract to see which hospital the physicians who authored the paper were affiliated with (Barts Health NHS Trust, The Royal London Hospital, London).

While the news article about the Middel X/SA case is free to read it it's entirety, the full article posted by OP is behind a paywall and at the time of writing, a mirror of the paper has yet to be made available through Sci-Hub (which, by the way, is an invaluable resource for those of us not affiliated with a university or research institution).

 

[checkouttime]

So it seems this happened. some members pointed out about an article that said about about SN poisoning, that was clearly an article about SA and said so in the 1st sentence. But its all there for people to read and see who made the comments about what.

I'm sure every genuine person on this site can easily read what people said and judge for themselves who and what was said. I mean just read the comments, its all there in black and white!!

problem is when people try to be smart and tell lies, they trip up as they are having to cover for the BS they post. also they try to be that bit smarter and make themselves look more legit. in the end they fall flat on their face and exposed as they aren't as good as they think. you'll probably notice in this thread aswell that some members deleted their posts, seems kind of odd a person would do that, unless they have something to hide. I'll let the genuine people decide on that

 

[ClairyFairy]

Well I'm genuine and I translated the article and read it about medicineX or whatever the eff it was. I really don't know why the arsehole with a finger keeps on trying to cause trouble. Who give a toss whether he's right or not? I'm sick of whoever the fuck you are going round threads trying to bait people.

yeah i read it aswell, i just payed my £60 subscription for the year, i thought it was well worth the effort made for a random thread on the internet

wow if ONLY people believed everything i wrote because i said it happened on the internet and my mates agreed!!

What are you even trying to achieve. I read it! Not our fault you can't!

 

[checkouttime]

anyone would think that some people take so long to reply because it took them so long to make something up about BS they posted lol. and even then its a pathetic attempt at covering up what they said !!!

It always funny to see how you don't have to even mention someones name and the get a bee in their bonnet, i'd say thats a guilty conscience. god it couldn't be much easier to weed out the people who lie and talk BS, i would suggest alot more effort is needed by these people.

oh look a person who has deleted their comments has replied. now let me guess why someone would do that??

 

[eve2004]

It isn't advised to test it, even a small amount can be lethal. if people wish to do that then its upto them though

Sodium nitrite is a toxic substance, and at sufficient dose levels, is toxic in humans. Fassett (1973) and Archer (1982) referenced the widely used clinical toxicology book of Gleason et al (1963) and estimated the lethal dose in humans is 1 g of sodium nitrite in adults (about 14 mg/kg

I agree that SN testing is a bad idea for most, but I'm extremely resistant to drugs/meds so I've tried 2 grams and it did nothing but make me a little nauseous and sleepy, then I woke up fine.... (you could replace SN with any given drug and that would pretty much be my experience with most meds so I'm doomed.

 

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I agree that SN testing is a bad idea for most, but I'm extremely resistant to drugs/meds so I've tried 2 grams and it did nothing but make me a little nauseous and sleepy, then I woke up fine.... (you could replace SN with any given drug and that would pretty much be my experience with most meds so I'm doomed.

is there not a possibility you had the wrong SN etc, i mean there's a website being touted about on here thats is a scammer and they used to sell SN, god noes what they were actually selling people. i wouldn't trust anything that was bought from them.

I mean i have seen someone mention taking a smaller dose of SN before and it wasn't particularly bad for them. it's just not advisable to try this though given that the lethal dose can be so small. but the recommended dose to CTB is 25g, so taking less realistically isn't a test of if it will work or not. Its just not advised to do so as it can be lethal to some people at low amounts. I mean even if you were really tolerant to drugs if you took the recommended dose, plus possibly another dose that would be X25 the lethal dose!

Its good that you know you are extremely resistant to meds, i'm guessing you now realise this method isn't for you. I've seen alot of members say they can't eat or drink or can't do this or that, but they still continue to ask questions and talk about methods that aren't suitable to them(you have to question the people). at least you know your limits and have tested it, so now know it isn't a good think for you to try again?? I hope you able to find a different method, there are lots listed in the resource section

 

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is there not a possibility you had the wrong SN etc, i mean there's a website being touted about on here thats is a scammer and they used to sell SN, god noes what they were actually selling people. i wouldn't trust anything that was bought from them.

I mean i have seen someone mention taking a smaller dose of SN before and it wasn't particularly bad for them. it's just not advisable to try this though given that the lethal dose can be so small. but the recommended dose to CTB is 25g, so taking less realistically isn't a test of if it will work or not. Its just not advised to do so as it can be lethal to some people at low amounts. I mean even if you were really tolerant to drugs if you took the recommended dose, plus possibly another dose that would be X25 the lethal dose!

Its good that you know you are extremely resistant to meds, i'm guessing you now realise this method isn't for you. I've seen alot of members say they can't eat or drink or can't do this or that, but they still continue to ask questions and talk about methods that aren't suitable to them(you have to question the people). at least you know your limits and have tested it, so now know it isn't a good think for you to try again?? I hope you able to find a different method, there are lots listed in the resource section

I have taken some from the same batch before but I have had iron issues (extremely high and extremely low) so it is really hard to judge. I took less SN this time, and I'm pretty used to nausea etc now... It had the same physical effects, just didn't bother me perception-wise. Also, have been taking F-tainted stuff (not SN). So sadly I think it's my tolerance. I have taken other stuff for 3 days now, at lethal doses, with no effect. I also had an upper GI done with no sedative, and the topical numbing agent lasted 10 minutes on me, not 2 hours like they said. They didn't believe me so they wouldn't let me go. I didn't need it anyway. I think I am physically numb to everything.

I've got my SP02 to 62%, 4 minutes under 80, not even a headache. (I don't have COPD and ya it was a bit hard to breathe, but nothing else happened.

Sometimes the method they keep talking about is the only viable one. I know I am hard to kill but if I just gave up my preferred method, I'd do something more drastic like jump in a subway. The more I think about it, the more I think the subway is the only way out.

I'm also 85-90lbs so I don't think I *should* need 25g,

 

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81% is pretty high, since the minimum for fatality is 73%. Mine was 67%.

There's a case report of a girl surviving with levels in the upper 80s. Interestingly they gave her whole blood transfusion in addition to methlyene blue. I think that's the only report I've seen with that treatment

 

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I have seen several articles with fatal SN poisonings, such as:

Article 1 (76 y/o woman)
Article 2 (37 y/o man)
Article 3 (17 y/o woman)

There are plenty others but primarily posting for my own reference, lol.

 

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Article 1 (76 y/o woman)

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