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[sundown12]

i can't make partial work, so i started looking at full suspension. i wonder, is there a way to practice it before eventually kicking the stool?

 

[SoFewMethods]

You can't practice full suspension. However, you can test the rope/anchor point by sticking a broom in the noose and hanging on the broom for about 10 seconds. If it holds, your setup is fine.

 

[cait_sith]

Anybody ever had the idea to inhale nitrous oxide while on the stool? The dissociation and loss of balance could help overcome si, resulting with just falling off the stool with the high ideally lasting until you pass out, but the loss of control could result with things like the rope slipping from its designated place on the neck or something so I'm sceptical about this.

 

[LifeTransit_1]

Anybody ever had the idea to inhale nitrous oxide while on the stool? The dissociation and loss of balance could help overcome si, resulting with just falling off the stool with the high ideally lasting until you pass out, but the loss of control could result with things like the rope slipping from its designated place on the neck or something so I'm sceptical about this.

I would not risk it... too many variables imo. A) if you pass out before putting on the noose then you would almost certainly injure yourself B) The connection must be long enough for it reach the noose
C) What if you do pass out with the noose on you but don't actually fall... and many more aswell. Go ahead if you want to try this out, I ain't here to judge this idea but I don't think it's worth it for overcoming SI

 

[cait_sith]

I would not risk it... too many variables imo. A) if you pass out before putting on the noose then you would almost certainly injure yourself B) The connection must be long enough for it reach the noose
C) What if you do pass out with the noose on you but don't actually fall... and many more aswell. Go ahead if you want to try this out, I ain't here to judge this idea but I don't think it's worth it for overcoming SI

Maybe I should have explained better what I had in mind. I was thinking about filling a balloon up with laughing gas, securing the entrance of balloon the with a clip for packages, going on stool, putting rope around neck, getting Ballon, removing clip, inhaling the gas and hopefully collapse off stool, but you are right in essence, there still are many variables. I was asking for judgement, that's why I am here :)

 

[Meteora]

Found two possible trees.
Hope this is alowed to post this.
They are not hidden unfortunately but at night, I don't think there will be people. The first one is next to a small stream, I love water.
What I understood, I ll have to take a small ladder.
I really hope I will go through with it. I d prefer doing it at home but there s no way I ll find a good anchor here. For me it is more difficult to do it outside.

 

[Meteora]

You can't practice full suspension. However, you can test the rope/anchor point by sticking a broom in the noose and hanging on the broom for about 10 seconds. If it holds, your setup is fine.

Thank you for this tip

 

[thot88]

I'm just asking out of curiosity. Has anyone experienced and survived hanging. How does it feel?

 

[Lenamoontree]

What is the best knot? Slipknot?
Also can you cut the rope and does a climbing rope work?

 

[Lady Laudanum]

What is the best knot? Slipknot?
Also can you cut the rope and does a climbing rope work?

A climbing rope would work but you have to know whether you have a static, semi-static, or dynamic rope, and take that into account. With partial suspension it probably makes no difference at all. With full suspension, it might make a difference but at the end of the day all 3 can be effective. A static rope would be the cheapest. It's designed to stretch no more than 5% of its total length. A semi-static rope stretches 5-10% of its total length. In a situation where you're just hanging off the rope, a dynamic rope would stretch about 10% of its total length. However, it's designed to stretch up to 30-40% of its total length in a big fall, so if you plan to do full suspension with a long drop then you'll need to do the math. Another thing to keep in mind is that climbing ropes can range from 30m to 80m long, and you won't need that much, so you'll have to cut the rope. They're durable so it'll be difficult to cut them, but definitely still possible.

 

[Onelegman]

I think my only option is total suspension, thanks for this thread!

I'll try to explain my setup:

Typical 10 mm hardware store rope, soft, nylon or polypropylene as some indicate, with a cotton t-shirt between the neck and rope to avoid pinching/cutting.

Knot 8 in anchorage between the 2 windows, approximately 2.80 meters high, thick aluminum. I'm 1.73 m tall and weigh 75 kg, I'm going to spend a lot of time calculating the height of the slip knot (the one that ends up being a pretzel) so I can put my head in and not touch the ground. I'm not clear about what is being said about the 2 types of slipknots, isn't either of them useful?

Knot behind the neck, quite tight and the rope as close to the chin as possible, surrounding the jaw. Look down and with a small jump let myself fall from the stool and achieve a quick constriction for the carotids.

Extras: 2 1mg anxiolytics and 2 10mg hypnotics and a small selection of animated music with headphones taped to my ears and enjoy the full songs in case I don't faint within 20 seconds.

Fears: that it is not as fast as I have seen in a dozen videos. Curiously, I found one of an Indian who was panting and I was scared. They all go down slowly, holding on to the handkerchief, believing that they will be able to return, but very quickly their strength seems to fail them and they lower their arms, showing a great variety of different spasms.

Glass! I will certainly experience spasms and, although my father will be asleep and I will close all the doors and windows, it is very possible that he will hit one and break it, I may put a cushion to prevent this.

I am very indecisive and I need approval almost even to choose what bread to buy, your opinions and advice would help me a lot. Please help me with this, thank you.

I think that by doing this, I should suffer for a relatively short time before passing out, right? The pressure on my head and lips gives me a very bad feeling. But without a doubt, this is the best option to make it definitive, even if I regret it, I should just wait and remain unconscious.

 

[Battered_Seoul]

Just to clarify a point of confusion I've seen on other hanging threads. Both of these particular knots are actually the same thing, although the method of tieing is different. The 'slip knot' here has been labelled incorrectly, and is actually also the 'noose knot'.

A slip knot is tightened at the tail end, which is of little value here. A noose knot is tightened at the working end, meaning it'll cinch tight under load, and can't be undone from the tail end, making it the perfect choice for complete or incomplete hanging.

Despite the drawing being labelled inaccurately, I still recommend using it over the video as your template, as it provides a double wrap and is easier to follow in any case.

I hope this helps!

https://www.google.com/search?q=slip+knot&client=ms-android-google&sca_esv=558723563&ei=HEDjZLe8C_ythbIP7c2FuA8&oq=slip+knot&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIglzbGlwIGtub3QyChAAGIoFGLEDGEMyDRAAGIoFGLEDGIMBGEMyBxAAGIoFGEMyBxAAGIoFGEMyBxAAGIoFGEMyBxAuGIAEGAoyBxAAGIoFGEMyBxAAGIoFGENIihlQ5QVYzxdwAngBkAECmAHWAaABww-qAQYxMC43LjG4AQPIAQD4AQGoAg_CAgoQABhHGNYEGLADwgIKEAAYigUYsAMYQ8ICChAAGAMYjwEY6gLCAgoQLhgDGI8BGOoCwgILEAAYigUYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiKBRixAxiDAcICERAuGIAEGLEDGIMBGMcBGNEDwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICCBAAGIAEGLED4gMEGAAgQYgGAZAGEQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#vhid=6432-OuEvA1L_M&vssid=l

Apologies, but if I have a docking rope

Just to clarify a point of confusion I've seen on other hanging threads. Both of these particular knots are actually the same thing, although the method of tieing is different. The 'slip knot' here has been labelled incorrectly, and is actually also the 'noose knot'.

A slip knot is tightened at the tail end, which is of little value here. A noose knot is tightened at the working end, meaning it'll cinch tight under load, and can't be undone from the tail end, making it the perfect choice for complete or incomplete hanging.

Despite the drawing being labelled inaccurately, I still recommend using it over the video as your template, as it provides a double wrap and is easier to follow in any case.

I hope this helps!

https://www.google.com/search?q=slip+knot&client=ms-android-google&sca_esv=558723563&ei=HEDjZLe8C_ythbIP7c2FuA8&oq=slip+knot&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIglzbGlwIGtub3QyChAAGIoFGLEDGEMyDRAAGIoFGLEDGIMBGEMyBxAAGIoFGEMyBxAAGIoFGEMyBxAAGIoFGEMyBxAuGIAEGAoyBxAAGIoFGEMyBxAAGIoFGENIihlQ5QVYzxdwAngBkAECmAHWAaABww-qAQYxMC43LjG4AQPIAQD4AQGoAg_CAgoQABhHGNYEGLADwgIKEAAYigUYsAMYQ8ICChAAGAMYjwEY6gLCAgoQLhgDGI8BGOoCwgILEAAYigUYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiKBRixAxiDAcICERAuGIAEGLEDGIMBGMcBGNEDwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICCBAAGIAEGLED4gMEGAAgQYgGAZAGEQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#vhid=6432-OuEvA1L_M&vssid=l

Apologies, but if I have a pre-spliced docking rope then should I be tieing a slip knot or a noose knot for the neck?

 

[Sylveon]

A slip knot should work, no? And does it make any difference if I use a scarf instead of a rope?

 

[lw1235]

just curious.. can you take benzos before hanging and fall into the hang?

 

[CouldaHvBeenARock]

Yes you can take benzos but it might increase your chances of failure

 

[Edpal247]

I keep seeing comments of 2-3 times your weight for the suspension point, due to the thrashing. How can you thrash that hard while hanging in full suspension? This has me worried. I'm using a 3/8 screw eye into joist. It holds me fine but don't want to fail.hmmm

 

[teddexter]

just curious.. can you take benzos before hanging and fall into the hang?

That's what I've been thinking, but my order of benzos from the DN didn't arrived (at least not yet, but it's been a while, so I'm not optimistic), so I'm considering taking amitriptyline after getting everything setup and getting into position then hoping I pass out and fall into the hang. Amitriptyline always makes me sleepy, so I'm hoping an amitriptyline OD will knock me out and I'll fall. I don't know if this is feasible though. Would I be likely to pass out peacefully from amitriptyline alone or would there be unpleasant side effects beforehand?

 

[Unknown Flower]

I gave up on partial suspension since it's so difficult to succeed with... From now on full suspension will be my method.

 

[Worndown]

I gave up on partial suspension since it's so difficult to succeed with... From now on full suspension will be my method.

Take a little time and work out a plan.
You should only need to try this once!
Ask questions.

 

[JesiBel]

Please, rate this anchor point idea (full suspension). I attached a photo since my English is not very good.

Solid wood beam (ceiling)
There is a tiny gap between the beam and the pallet woods.

The white ropes are 4 mm. I don't know the material, as they were at home. They look like nylon (because they are somewhat shiny)

The purple rope is 12 mm, with which I will make the noose knot below. Polypropylene material, or so they sold it to me.

Will the white ropes (4 in total) be able to support 40 kg during the whole "procedure"? Considering the involuntary movements that the body makes afterwards, and the fact of being hung it would be "heavier".

This place is my second "choice", it's nicer since it's inside the house, away from the windows. And I can turn on the TV to make some background noise.

 

[Worndown]

Looks good. Hold the rope with both hands first to verify it will hold your weight. Better to find out now than waking up on the floor.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

The white rope is the weakest point, the cross-sectional aera of the 4 thin ropes is only 44 % of the cross-sectional aera of the 12 mm rope. Moreover the V-form adds about 40 % extra load on the thin ropes.
I would replace the thin rope by a rope were I know the carrying capacity. And of course you should test it as mentioned above.

You have learned a lot about hanging and you should really do it, but maybe it is better to do it when you are at my age about 70.

 

[JesiBel]

Looks good. Hold the rope with both hands first to verify it will hold your weight. Better to find out now than waking up on the floor.

The white rope is the weakest point, the cross-sectional aera of the 4 thin ropes is only 44 % of the cross-sectional aera of the 12 mm rope. Moreover the V-form adds about 40 % extra load on the thin ropes.
I would replace the thin rope by a rope were I know the carrying capacity. And of course you should test it as mentioned above.

You have learned a lot about hanging and you should really do it, but maybe it is better to do it when you are at my age about 70.

Thank you very much for your answers! I was alone this morning so I decided to look for some ideas and places. So that when the time comes I will have everything checked.

I'm going to replace the white ropes with others made of better material and strength. Maybe I can use a thicker one instead of two thin ones for the same space. And test if they hold me.

It's a shame the 12mm rope doesn't fit directly. It was a good spot away from exterior doors and windows.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Maybe you can enlarge the gap between the beam and the pallet woods for example by use of a hammer.

 

[Unknown Flower]

I noticed padding the rope is often recommended for full suspension. It would help preventing a rope burn therefore making it a bit less painful.
But will the arteries in this way still be fully compressed? I hope to pass out within 10 seconds, but not sure if padding the rope will delay this or not?

 

[dead dav]

Very informative I plan to hang from a beam in the loft

 

[derekWest]

Some people overcome SI (the fear of stepping off the stool) by hyperventilating to induce syncope, which can cause you to blackout and fall.
-- I've heard that huffing compressed air can do this too, but I don't know much about that

You talk about the hypocapnia. It is the low amount of co2. It induce dizziness, blue skin... It allow postpone the hypercapnic response and so lower you o2 rate in your blood in order to faint (I test it!).

You can reach the same result using a bag in your head fill in of inert gas, I think.

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Is it possible to test FSH and if pass out work ? How do that ?

 

[AreWeWinning]

Please, rate this anchor point idea (full suspension). I attached a photo since my English is not very good.

Solid wood beam (ceiling)
There is a tiny gap between the beam and the pallet woods.

The white ropes are 4 mm. I don't know the material, as they were at home. They look like nylon (because they are somewhat shiny)

The purple rope is 12 mm, with which I will make the noose knot below. Polypropylene material, or so they sold it to me.

Will the white ropes (4 in total) be able to support 40 kg during the whole "procedure"? Considering the involuntary movements that the body makes afterwards, and the fact of being hung it would be "heavier".

This place is my second "choice", it's nicer since it's inside the house, away from the windows. And I can turn on the TV to make some background noise.

I know it's a late reply, but if you're still considering this setup, I have an idea. See attached image. (Apologies for the crappy drawing.)

If you can find a rod, or any long, straight object that is strong enough and doesn't bend, you could use that to improve the setup. You would attach this object (blue in my attached picture) with several thin white ropes to the beam. The aggregated strength of the white ropes will add up, and will be enough, even if they are weak.

Another option would be to drive a hook into the beam from the side. Similar to the small one visible in the middle section of your attached image, just 10 times bigger. Those can be quite strong, especially against sheering forces, but even against pulling forces if done correctly. This requires some mechanical work, but it's still very simple.

Edit: On a second thought, 40 kg is not too heavy, so, I think, even your original setup would be safe if you find some good quality ropes to use instead of the white ones. A good, 5 mm thick, polyethylene rope can be extremely strong.

 

[JesiBel]

I know it's a late reply, but if you're still considering this setup, I have an idea. See attached image. (Apologies for the crappy drawing.)

If you can find a rod, or any long, straight object that is strong enough and doesn't bend, you could use that to improve the setup. You would attach this object (blue in my attached picture) with several thin white ropes to the beam. The aggregated strength of the white ropes will add up, and will be enough, even if they are weak.

Another option would be to drive a hook into the beam from the side. Similar to the small one visible in the middle section of your attached image, just 10 times bigger. Those can be quite strong, especially against sheering forces, but even against pulling forces if done correctly. This requires some mechanical work, but it's still very simple.

Edit: On a second thought, 40 kg is not too heavy, so, I think, even your original setup would safe if you find some good quality ropes to use instead of the white ones. A good, 5 mm thick, polyethylene rope can be extremely strong.

Thank you so much for the ideas and the drawing! The explanation is very clear, and an easy solution to do.

It's good to have several options. Thanks to all!