Venting Never thought I'd be such a 2Aer

[Metro]

Why can't I just get a gun and shoot myself in the brain. Wouldn't it be such a quick, painless, easy, simple and reliable way to ctb

For a long time I considered going on holiday to the US to rent a gun (from what I found tourists cannot purchase firearms) and doing it that way but I don't think I could take it out of a range where there wouldn't be anyone to witness it

I couldn't find much info on black powder other than it's expensive to go that route

I won't be getting a car any time soon meaning no CO for a nice cozy forever-sleep

Exit bag method is sooooo convoluted and I wouldn't be able to do it myself anyway

Jumping in front of a train is reliable but traumatises the driver, anyone around and those who have to sweep up the mess on a level I probably couldn't ever fathom, not to mention it'd likely be extremely painful for me given my local station has electrified railways (on top of being hit by a train that's probably going to be slowing down)

SN is peaceful enough but getting an AE is a pain in the ass (I would not be likely to successfully lie to my GP, and the fact the purpose is to ctb might even be caught out given that I've attempted before depending on how aware UK medical staff are of SN as method of ctb), there's too much variance in anecdotal evidence for me to consider it reliable (vomiting; time it could take to die; some ingest a tiny test amount and die or come close to dying, others take the full amount, AE included, and survive) and if in the potentially 4 hour timespan it could take for me to die I'm interrupted then not only will I certainly not be able to attempt again at all but I risk permanent brain damage

Night-night method might actually be the way to go but I would probably struggle to set it up correctly and if it fails for whatever reason I again risk permanent brain damage (and there's no fucking way I'm meeting up with a partner)

I wish I was born in the US, where I could easily get a gun and shut the lights. I wish I lived in a dream world where individuals' freedom to exercise their right to die was enabled and I could hop into one of those nitrogen pods so I could peacefully fall asleep under the supervision of a medical professional. Ffs I wish I was Stockton fucking Rush so I could've instantly died without processing anything whatsoever, I get so jealous whenever I hear anything about the Titan submersible because I so wish I was there. I wish I wasn't such a pussy so that none of that mattered to me to begin with, and I could just go with whatever.

Maybe all of this is just the average Europoor's misconception of the US but I imagine even in the most restrictive states it's so much easier to ctb that way and practically impossible 'cross the pond

 

[FuneralCry]

I really understand, I just see so much cruelty in how there is no acceptance towards the right to die with the suffering and torture of existing seen as to force and prolong no matter what, all I want is to cease existing peacefully, I just want to never suffer ever again with all finally gone for me and I just always suffer so much from how I cannot just cease existing peacefully in an guaranteed way.

 

[Comefindthemissing]

Why can't I just get a gun and shoot myself in the brain. Wouldn't it be such a quick, painless, easy, simple and reliable way to ctb

For a long time I considered going on holiday to the US to rent a gun (from what I found tourists cannot purchase firearms) and doing it that way but I don't think I could take it out of a range where there wouldn't be anyone to witness it

I couldn't find much info on black powder other than it's expensive to go that route

I won't be getting a car any time soon meaning no CO for a nice cozy forever-sleep

Exit bag method is sooooo convoluted and I wouldn't be able to do it myself anyway

Jumping in front of a train is reliable but traumatises the driver, anyone around and those who have to sweep up the mess on a level I probably couldn't ever fathom, not to mention it'd likely be extremely painful for me given my local station has electrified railways (on top of being hit by a train that's probably going to be slowing down)

SN is peaceful enough but getting an AE is a pain in the ass (I would not be likely to successfully lie to my GP, and the fact the purpose is to ctb might even be caught out given that I've attempted before depending on how aware UK medical staff are of SN as method of ctb), there's too much variance in anecdotal evidence for me to consider it reliable (vomiting; time it could take to die; some ingest a tiny test amount and die or come close to dying, others take the full amount, AE included, and survive) and if in the potentially 4 hour timespan it could take for me to die I'm interrupted then not only will I certainly not be able to attempt again at all but I risk permanent brain damage

Night-night method might actually be the way to go but I would probably struggle to set it up correctly and if it fails for whatever reason I again risk permanent brain damage (and there's no fucking way I'm meeting up with a partner)

I wish I was born in the US, where I could easily get a gun and shut the lights. I wish I lived in a dream world where individuals' freedom to exercise their right to die was enabled and I could hop into one of those nitrogen pods so I could peacefully fall asleep under the supervision of a medical professional. Ffs I wish I was Stockton fucking Rush so I could've instantly died without processing anything whatsoever, I get so jealous whenever I hear anything about the Titan submersible because I so wish I was there. I wish I wasn't such a pussy so that none of that mattered to me to begin with, and I could just go with whatever.

Maybe all of this is just the average Europoor's misconception of the US but I imagine even in the most restrictive states it's so much easier to ctb that way and practically impossible 'cross the pond

It's not only your conception as a so called "europoor" lol actually getting guns in the us is ridiculously accessible and easy to get there aren't background checks for even the mentally ill ppl which proves that it's not all that positive (due the whole mass shootings problem) but still for someone who wants to ctb it's actually pretty great

 

[Metro]

It's not only your conception as a so called "europoor" lol actually getting guns in the us is ridiculously accessible and easy to get there aren't background checks for even the mentally ill ppl which proves that it's not all that positive (due the whole mass shootings problem) but still for someone who wants to ctb it's actually pretty great

God bless America, land of the (truly) free

 

[tormentedhusk]

Why can't I just get a gun and shoot myself in the brain. Wouldn't it be such a quick, painless, easy, simple and reliable way to ctb

For a long time I considered going on holiday to the US to rent a gun (from what I found tourists cannot purchase firearms) and doing it that way but I don't think I could take it out of a range where there wouldn't be anyone to witness it

I couldn't find much info on black powder other than it's expensive to go that route

I won't be getting a car any time soon meaning no CO for a nice cozy forever-sleep

Exit bag method is sooooo convoluted and I wouldn't be able to do it myself anyway

Jumping in front of a train is reliable but traumatises the driver, anyone around and those who have to sweep up the mess on a level I probably couldn't ever fathom, not to mention it'd likely be extremely painful for me given my local station has electrified railways (on top of being hit by a train that's probably going to be slowing down)

SN is peaceful enough but getting an AE is a pain in the ass (I would not be likely to successfully lie to my GP, and the fact the purpose is to ctb might even be caught out given that I've attempted before depending on how aware UK medical staff are of SN as method of ctb), there's too much variance in anecdotal evidence for me to consider it reliable (vomiting; time it could take to die; some ingest a tiny test amount and die or come close to dying, others take the full amount, AE included, and survive) and if in the potentially 4 hour timespan it could take for me to die I'm interrupted then not only will I certainly not be able to attempt again at all but I risk permanent brain damage

Night-night method might actually be the way to go but I would probably struggle to set it up correctly and if it fails for whatever reason I again risk permanent brain damage (and there's no fucking way I'm meeting up with a partner)

I wish I was born in the US, where I could easily get a gun and shut the lights. I wish I lived in a dream world where individuals' freedom to exercise their right to die was enabled and I could hop into one of those nitrogen pods so I could peacefully fall asleep under the supervision of a medical professional. Ffs I wish I was Stockton fucking Rush so I could've instantly died without processing anything whatsoever, I get so jealous whenever I hear anything about the Titan submersible because I so wish I was there. I wish I wasn't such a pussy so that none of that mattered to me to begin with, and I could just go with whatever.

Maybe all of this is just the average Europoor's misconception of the US but I imagine even in the most restrictive states it's so much easier to ctb that way and practically impossible 'cross the pond

FYI: Many gun shows in America don't require ids or background checks to purchase a firearm. Though it also depends on the seller, and make sure to research local/state laws before traveling.

This is known as "The Gun Show Loophole."

 

[Metro]

FYI: Many gun shows in America don't require ids or background checks to purchase a firearm. Though it also depends on the seller, and make sure to research local/state laws before traveling.

This is known as "The Gun Show Loophole."

Does that mean they don't check anything at all? Because I wouldn't be able to give them any kind of documents/paperwork given I'd effectively be a tourist (and I don't think I could pull off a convincing accent)

 

[tormentedhusk]

Does that mean they don't check anything at all? Because I wouldn't be able to give them any kind of documents/paperwork given I'd effectively be a tourist (and I don't think I could pull off a convincing accent)

depends on the state and specific place you go to. it just means that they aren't mandated by law to do so.

 

[Metro]

depends on the state and specific place you go to. it just means that they aren't mandated by law to do so.

Thanks a ton for sharing, I didn't know that. Much appreciated, you're a lifesaver mate

 

[FishRain3469]

They aren't mandated.... But please Know that many of them do go through the process of a background check. Some years ago it was certainly a Lot easier, but times have changed with all of the dumbass shit going on around us.

Wish you the best in whatever you decide to do. ♥

And.... sorry I'm slow, what does 2Aer mean / stand for?

 

[Metro]

They aren't mandated.... But please Know that many of them do go through the process of a background check. Some years ago it was certainly a Lot easier, but times have changed with all of the dumbass shit going on around us.

Wish you the best in whatever you decide to do. ♥

And.... sorry I'm slow, what does 2Aer mean / stand for?

Thank you for the advice and support. Unfortunately I'm likely a long time away from being able to go through with something like that, so I hope by the time I can that loophole still exists and I'm able to find some way of acquiring a firearm as a tourist. Hopefully AL will still be around by then.

2A = 2nd amendment, 2Aer means someone who supports the second amendment. (Maybe, I don't know, I just made up that term as I was writing the thread.)

 

[Blurry_Buildings]

If you have ever been involuntarily hospitalized, dishonorably discharged, or imprisoned, the federal government will still block you through the national instant criminal background check so there are some mentally ill people who get caught in it.

I have been told that technically private arms sales are not regulated (so anyone who owns a gun could legally sell from their personal collection without government interference in many states) but while they don't have to check, an individual is still not legally allowed to knowingly sell to someone who they know or suspect can not legally own a gun, including non US citizens. If you have a noticeable accent they may try to run your information through NICS, which would be bad if you don't have any information to give.

The gun show loop hole is great (in theory, not condoning it) if you have something on your record but, pretending you don't, you find someone at a show or befriend someone in a local bar. I'm not sure how well it would work in your situation though.

 

[Metro]

If you have ever been involuntarily hospitalized, dishonorably discharged, or imprisoned, the federal government will still block you through the national instant criminal background check so there are some mentally ill people who get caught in it.

I believe I would fall under involuntarily hospitalised, but being that was in the UK would the federal govt know that or would I be in the NICS?

I have been told that technically private arms sales are not regulated (so anyone who owns a gun could legally sell from their personal collection without government interference in many states) but while they don't have to check, an individual is still not legally allowed to knowingly sell to someone who they know or suspect can not legally own a gun, including non US citizens. If you have a noticeable accent they may try to run your information through NICS, which would be bad if you don't have any information to give.

How far does the "suspect" thing go? Is it like a "reasonable belief" type deal where even if they didn't suspect me to not be a US citizen (e.g. I lie and say I am or something) they can still be held criminally liable because given the circumstances they _should've_ suspected it?
And at actual gun shows, how much talking realistically is there? If it's not that much I could probably pull off a generic American accent well enough, but I certainly wouldn't be able to do a southern accent if I have to do this in Texas.

 

[Blurry_Buildings]

I believe I would fall under involuntarily hospitalised, but being that was in the UK would the federal govt know that or would I be in the NICS?

The federal government wouldn't know about your hospitalization, and you wouldn't be in the NICS database, but you wouldn't be able to pass the NICS because you would need to provide them with proof of citizenship or legal resident status for them to run the background check on you.

How far does the "suspect" thing go? Is it like a "reasonable belief" type deal where even if they didn't suspect me to not be a US citizen (e.g. I lie and say I am or something) they can still be held criminally liable because given the circumstances they _should've_ suspected it?

Yes it is a reasonable belief kind of situation. A seller can go to jail if the court finds that a reasonable person in the same situation should have suspected something. Arguably you could say you are a legal resident, but I don't think many sellers would want to risk it. That's at best a really complicated and personally taxing court battle for them.

And at actual gun shows, how much talking realistically is there? If it's not that much I could probably pull off a generic American accent well enough, but I certainly wouldn't be able to do a southern accent if I have to do this in Texas.

They are like antique fairs, farmers markets, or most other kinds of conventions. You show up in a big room and there are a bunch of tables or booths lined up where you talk to people selling things. Any actual company will put you through NICS, and most individuals selling there will be licensed to use it as well (they are called FFLs, I don't remember what it stands for though). A lot of gun shows now require all sellers to do the NICS. Some won't, but the ones who do and don't background check you won't advertise it. Like fishrain said, it used to be easier, but now most gun show sellers will do a background check.

The majority of states that haven't closed the gun show loophole are in the south or the godforsaken parts of the interior. The good news is the southern accent is dying out. It's definitely still there but it isn't uncommon to find transplants or people who just sound mostly similar to people in the north. The bad news is that they have a very strong culture of small talk, and they will be fascinated if they think you are from the UK or find hints of british pronunciation. The accent is kind of rare, and there is also still a significant portion of the population who unironically correlate british accents with sophistication, including half of my family.. I wish I were joking lol. Also, not a knock on rural Americans, I love them, but when going through majority white rural areas I've been asked a surprising number of times what race I am. For context, I am mostly white, and they are asking out of innocent curiosity since they can tell I am slightly mixed, but they 100% have the truly uncanny ability to tell the slightest differences about you.

Either way, I really wouldn't try to do this. As a foreign citizen you'd have an easier time buying some kinds of explosives (which you should not do either under any circumstances lol)

 

[Metro]

The federal government wouldn't know about your hospitalization, and you wouldn't be in the NICS database, but you wouldn't be able to pass the NICS because you would need to provide them with proof of citizenship or legal resident status for them to run the background check on you.

I've been looking for a while and I can't find a consistent definition of "legal residence". Some sources say it's just proof that you live at an address (in Texas) and that even an Airbnb receipt is fine, others say it includes proof of intent to remain a resident permanently. One source said you need to have been a resident for 30 days, another says 90.
What I do know for certain is that the receipt and possession of a firearm is not illegal for nonimmigrant aliens who are in the US _without_ a visa, like through the VWP, but that has a 90 day limit so I wouldn't show intent to stay permanently. But if you need to show proof of residence including intent to stay, and that's simply not possible under the VWP, why is that an exception?? Man I'd hate being a lawyer

Yes it is a reasonable belief kind of situation. A seller can go to jail if the court finds that a reasonable person in the same situation should have suspected something. Arguably you could say you are a legal resident, but I don't think many sellers would want to risk it. That's at best a really complicated and personally taxing court battle for them.

Depending again on "legal resident" if it just means I have an address that I've lived at at least a month then if I give them proof of that I don't see what the risk is to them

They are like antique fairs, farmers markets, or most other kinds of conventions. You show up in a big room and there are a bunch of tables or booths lined up where you talk to people selling things. Any actual company will put you through NICS, and most individuals selling there will be licensed to use it as well (they are called FFLs, I don't remember what it stands for though). A lot of gun shows now require all sellers to do the NICS. Some won't, but the ones who do and don't background check you won't advertise it. Like fishrain said, it used to be easier, but now most gun show sellers will do a background check.

Yeah, was worried about that - it's probably not exactly easy to find out in advance where background checks are performed and you'd probably have to trial and error. Still maybe leaves room for online sources like AL though?

The majority of states that haven't closed the gun show loophole are in the south or the godforsaken parts of the interior. The good news is the southern accent is dying out. It's definitely still there but it isn't uncommon to find transplants or people who just sound mostly similar to people in the north. The bad news is that they have a very strong culture of small talk, and they will be fascinated if they think you are from the UK or find hints of british pronunciation. The accent is kind of rare, and there is also still a significant portion of the population who unironically correlate british accents with sophistication, including half of my family.. I wish I were joking lol. Also, not a knock on rural Americans, I love them, but when going through majority white rural areas I've been asked a surprising number of times what race I am. For context, I am mostly white, and they are asking out of innocent curiosity since they can tell I am slightly mixed, but they 100% have the truly uncanny ability to tell the slightest differences about you.

Biggest issue with that would be a cover story, I don't have any knowledge of or interest in guns so I would not be able to bullshit my way through it. But if i can embrace the accent then I can go with the "I always wanted to own a gun, can't do that over in His Majesty's dominion" line

Either way, I really wouldn't try to do this. As a foreign citizen you'd have an easier time buying some kinds of explosives (which you should not do either under any circumstances lol)

Yeah not exactly hidden that I'm desperate to find some way this can work lol. Very last resort would have to be renting and doing it at a range but I really would like to avoid that one for what it'd do to those around

Or fuck it I might go to the US for an easier source of SN if it comes to it, can't get it in the UK without the coppers knocking

 

[Blurry_Buildings]

I've been looking for a while and I can't find a consistent definition of "legal residence". Some sources say it's just proof that you live at an address (in Texas) and that even an Airbnb receipt is fine, others say it includes proof of intent to remain a resident permanently. One source said you need to have been a resident for 30 days, another says 90.
What I do know for certain is that the receipt and possession of a firearm is not illegal for nonimmigrant aliens who are in the US _without_ a visa, like through the VWP, but that has a 90 day limit so I wouldn't show intent to stay permanently. But if you need to show proof of residence including intent to stay, and that's simply not possible under the VWP, why is that an exception?? Man I'd hate being a lawyer

I'm not entirely sure either, but you might be running into definitions for people who are already legally residents of the US who are trying to move their state of residence to Texas. Every state has its own requirements for residents of other states to change their official residence. This is an issue I am trying to work out for myself. I think in Texas if you have a job in state you can be considered a resident within 30 days, if you are already legally in the US.

Depending again on "legal resident" if it just means I have an address that I've lived at at least a month then if I give them proof of that I don't see what the risk is to them

The problem isn't whether the argument would hold up in court, its more so the reaction of the seller. The seller isn't checking you through NICS, which means they are a private individual selling personal firearms for fun/ a slight profit. They know they are not allowed to sell to people they have a reasonable suspicion of, and even if you say "oh I'm from the UK but I'm here legally" it could be a very hard sell (pun not intended lol). The seller doesn't want to have to defend themselves in court, and if they can avoid that by not selling to people who have foreign accents, they probably will, as discriminatory as that is. The individual seller isn't operating as a business and probably isn't going to know the intricacies of the US visa system and whether your proof is valid, they just know that they are not allowed to sell to many different kinds of foreign citizens, and will probably not want to risk it.

If you have proof of legal permanent residence, you should be able to go through the NICS, but getting permanent resident status would mean (as far as I am aware) getting sponsored by an employer on a temporary Visa and then applying for it after 5 (ish) years of living in the US (legally things like the H1B are temporary). Permanent residence is (I have been told) hard to get.

I haven't ever heard about people being able to buy guns on temporary visas (like the H1B or anything that lasts a few years) without receiving permanent resident status, although I have never had to worry about it myself, so I wouldn't know.

Yeah, was worried about that - it's probably not exactly easy to find out in advance where background checks are performed and you'd probably have to trial and error. Still maybe leaves room for online sources like AL though?

I've never used AL, but maybe? I don't know a whole lot about it sorry :(

Biggest issue with that would be a cover story, I don't have any knowledge of or interest in guns so I would not be able to bullshit my way through it. But if i can embrace the accent then I can go with the "I always wanted to own a gun, can't do that over in His Majesty's dominion" line

Lol tbh I still don't think this would work at all, but the conversation would be really interesting (not in a bad way). I'm sorry it isn't easier to get out of here. I don't know everything so maybe there's some way... I mean if we distributed the guns there should be like 1 or 2 per person so there's plenty out there.

On the bright side, if there ever is any, if you do try to try this, Wyoming is apparently very beautiful so you could sandwich that in with your trip through the depopulated hellscape of middle america lmao.