Help netherlands "middel X"

[Hades_de]

im from the netherlands and i keep hearing about "middel X" on TV is there a good source for it? and how good is it?

 

[Dayrain]

It's Sodium Azide. It works similiar to Sodium Nitrite but is a litle worse. It's not hard to obtain in the Netherlands I've heard.

 

[_AllCatsAreGrey_]

Nitschke discusses it some on the Exit podcast in these episodes:

The Azide Wars - The Peaceful Pill Handbook

The Azide Wars have come about with the advent in the Netherlands of Middel X as an end of life method. As a country where voluntary euthanasia has long been legal, there has been a groundswell of discontentment amongst older people who resent having to ask doctors for help to die. Addressing...

www.peacefulpillhandbook.com

Lethal Salts & the Law - The Peaceful Pill Handbook

In some ways the Lethal Salts have remained under the right-to-die radar. But are they the new Drion pill? Are they the new peaceful pill? What does the law have to say on these relatively freely available lethal substances? And what of a clamp-down to prevent public access? Some even suggest...

www.peacefulpillhandbook.com

and

Lethal Salts Part II - The Peaceful Pill Handbook

This Podcast continues the discussion of the Lethal Salts by taking a look at a number of eye witness accounts and teasing out some of the elements of the Exit RPA Test – the Reliability, Peacefulness, Availability Test as it is discussed and used in The Peaceful Pill eHandbook.

www.peacefulpillhandbook.com

 

[Hades_de]

It's not hard to obtain in the Netherlands I've heard.

i dont think i'd be able to get it online right? because its been in the news so much the past few days; the people are prolly on high alert

 

[Dayrain]

i dont think i'd be able to get it online right? because its been in the news so much the past few days; the people are prolly on high alert

I think you can get it online as well and I think it's popular in the Netherlands (I heard that there is an underground trade in the big cities to some extent) for some reason, but elsewhere it seems to be extremely rare.

 

[Hades_de]

I think you can get it online as well and I think it's popular in the Netherlands (I heard that there is an underground trade in the big cities to some extent) for some reason, but elsewhere it seems to be extremely rare.

how much is needed to cbt? i think i found a pure source

 

[Dayrain]

how much is needed to cbt?

2-3gm in 50 ml of de-mineralised water. Stirring should be done with a plastic spoon.

 

[verrobasd]

As a private person it's really difficult to order from a legitimate source within the Netherlands. A business (owner) or even just ZZP'er shouldn't have too many problems obtaining it. You'd generally need a KVK (chamber of commerce) registration.

Private persons would need to get it from an 'underground' source (it's widely available though) or order abroad, there are still plenty of sources within Europe delivering SA to the Netherlands to private persons.

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

I once ordered it from a chemical store, then read more and cancelled the order.
Read Sodium azide megathread.

 

[Endisclose]

2-3gm in 50 ml of de-mineralised water. Stirring should be done with a plastic spoon.

May I know why it should be de-mineralized? I've seen the same recommendation made in the case of SN as well.

 

[Dayrain]

May I know why it should be de-mineralized? I've seen the same recommendation made in the case of SN as well.

It must not come into contact with any metal or metallic substances whatsoever.

 

[Endisclose]

It must not come into contact with any metal or metallic substances whatsoever.

How do I know that the water I have doesn't contain any minerals or metallic substances?

 

[Dayrain]

How do I know that the water I have doesn't contain any minerals or metallic substances?

By using distilled water.

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

How do I know that the water I have doesn't contain any minerals or metallic substances?

Just order a distilled water and check it with salinity meter (it should display 0 ppm).

May I know why it should be de-mineralized? I've seen the same recommendation made in the case of SN as well.

As far as I remember, In the PPH there is no such recommendation for SN.

 

[Endisclose]

As far as I remember, In the PPH there is no such recommendation for SN.

Oh I am not sure then.. I think I came across it on some thread in this forum.. I will have to get that corroborated. Do you happen to know what sort of water should be used for SN?

 

[Dayrain]

sort of water should be used for SN?

Tap water.

 

[Endisclose]

By using distilled water.

Is distilled water safe to drink? I remember someone saying that it wasn't. I am not entirely sure why. I've seen it used generally for inverter batteries..

Tap water.

Couldn't this contain minerals? Like lead for example..?

 

[Dayrain]

Couldn't this contain minerals? Like lead for example..?

Doesn't matter with SN. Don't get confused.

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

Is distilled water safe to drink? I remember someone saying that it wasn't. I am not entirely sure why. I've seen it used generally for inverter batteries..

Definitely more safe than drinking sodium azide.

 

[Endisclose]

Doesn't matter with SN. Don't get confused.

Got it ok. I am not sure I'll get tap water in a hotel room. I usually get bottled drinking water at home in a 20 litre can. I thought I'll get one of those 1 litre packaged drinking water bottles you get in shops. Would either of that be OK? If it has to be tap water, I'll have to filter it and boil it and take it with me in a bottle. May I know why tap water is recommended?

 

[Dayrain]

Got it ok. I am not sure I'll get tap water in a hotel room. I usually get bottled drinking water at home in a 20 litre can. I thought I'll get one of those 1 litre packaged drinking water bottles you get in shops. Would either of that be OK? If it has to be tap water, I'll have to filter it and boil it and take it with me in a bottle. May I know why tap water is recommended?

I recommended it because it is free, it's the only water I consume and I know that it works.

 

[Endisclose]

Definitely more safe than drinking sodium azide.

Sorry I meant to ask generally.. . I remember someone saying that one shouldn't drink it. Not sure if it was unsafe for some reason or something. Was just curious to know..

I recommended it because it is free, it's the only water I consume and I know that it works.

Ah I see. You must be from the west.. Perhaps from Paris where I believe tap water is very poor. We have a distrust of tap water from where I come from as it might likely contain bacteria or other contaminants..

 

[Dayrain]

Ah I see. You must be from the west.. Perhaps from Paris where I believe tap water is very poor. We have a distrust of tap water from where I come from as it might likely contain bacteria or other contaminants..

Luckily the tap water here is excellent.

 

[Hades_de]

Private persons would need to get it from an 'underground' source (it's widely available though) or order abroad

sadly i dont have any connection to the "underground"

I once ordered it from a chemical store

don't they ask for allot of details?

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

don't they ask for allot of details?

No. That was no different than buying any other things online. The same way I ordered my SN (but do not plan to use it).

 

[Hades_de]

was it expensive, and may i know the website? :3

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

was it expensive, and may i know the website? :3

It was cheap, but I don't think they ship abroad.

 

[Hades_de]

i dont mind checking :D

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

i dont mind checking :D

If we are talking about a store with sodium azide, they only accept a transaction from Russian bank account. I don't think you have one.

 

[Hades_de]

If we are talking about a store with sodium azide, they only accept a transaction from Russian bank account. I don't think you have one.

oh fuck, any other ways to get SA or SN? i need to ctb really badly