DocJack
New Member
- Dec 16, 2021
- 4
I'm curious if ingesting N dissolved in liquid is the only / best way for a successful bus trip. I believe there are kits available on-line to make your own capsules for swallowing. If that's a viable option, the concern about taste is now moot though I suppose it means catching a later bus. Any thoughts / opinions / actual facts?
CiproKilledMe
Experienced
- Mar 23, 2021
- 243
I don't know about mixed in with the N itself...I haven't tried that yet. That'll be tricky to test because you're using such a tiny amount of N for the sleep/taste test along with such a tiny amount of neotame. I'm still licking my lips many hours later and tasting the neotame...the powder must become suspended in the air and then get on your skin or something. It'll definitely be useful for prepping the mouth (way better than honey, I'm sure) and then likely killing the N aftertaste if you swish more of it afterwards (way better than chocolate would). Now it's just a matter of figuring out how much N to mix with the actual 200ml of N so that it's not too much or too little. I mean I don't even know how you can measure such a tiny amount of powder. I suppose too much would be better than too little--at least in terms of gagging down the N is concerned--but I don't know if that would present possible complications like increased vomiting risk? I'm certainly no neotame expert...I'd never even heard of the stuff until this thread popped up.
xcaramel
Member
- Dec 1, 2021
- 35
Ingesting 100-200mL of vet N through capsule is difficult because you pass out before you're able to get enough to ctb fully. I think it is a different story with powdered N though. However I am no expert on this so don't take my word for it.
Sorry for the delay friends. I have temporarily put my ctb efforts on pause until I am by myself again, so I am no longer in a position to experiment with N and neotame until further notice. From what I have done however I would like to reiterate that trying some neotame on your finger first, then after mixing neotame with N works extremely well to mask its taste. I imagine adding an aromatic like star anise oil will make it even more palatable, but for me this will probably be enough.
xLosthopex
Tell my dogs I love them
- May 29, 2020
- 1,135
Do you mind sharing where you obtained your neotame from?Received my neotame today and can confirm this stuff is crazy strong and indeed does taste a bit like bubblegum. Even after thoroughly washing my hands with soap and water, they still taste sweet--I'm assuming simply from handling the little baggy the neotame came in. I tried a tiny bit in a glass of water and it was quite overpowering. The sweetness stays in your mouth for a good amount of time so I think it would definitely be advantageous to swish around some neotame water prior to ingesting N like xcaramel was saying. Anyone else experiment with this stuff yet? Still wondering how much (if any) should be added directly to the N to minimize that nasty taste?
Overall I'm quite excited about this stuff! Just gotta get the recipe right
GentleJerk
Carrot juice pimp.
- Dec 14, 2021
- 1,372
@xcaramel any updates on how much Neotame should be mixed with N? I mixed a little bit with 1ml of N for a sleep test and it didnt really mask the taste at all. Can confirm that vet N is the worst tasting substance I have ever tasted by far.
It's so sweet that someone gave it one star for being too sweet. It's $18 for 25 grams, but delivery is not until mid March.
Amazon link.
CiproKilledMe
Experienced
- Mar 23, 2021
- 243
There are other sources of neotame than Amazon. I bought mine from another site (I don't think we're supposed to list sources here?) but they got it to me in under a week for like $12.
Somber
Arcanist
- Jan 6, 2022
- 457
I don't think the rule on sources apply to non deadly substances or in this case food additives. Unless you end up choking on your Neotame, I doubt you'll get anything other than nausea from all that sweetness.
Maybe @zeroornothing can clarify?
Snake of Eden
“Ye shall be as gods..🍎 🐍”
- Jun 22, 2021
- 2,473
Thats rightI don't think the rule on sources apply to non deadly substances or in this case food additives. Unless you end up choking on your Neotame, I doubt you'll get anything other than nausea from all that sweetness.
Maybe @zeroornothing can clarify?
CiproKilledMe
Experienced
- Mar 23, 2021
- 243
Oh okay...I'd seen people being dissuaded from discussing meto sources on here before so I just figured sources for anything weren't supposed to be discussed publicly. Anyway, this is where I ordered mine from:
https://flavorjungle.com/products/neotame-sweetener-by-flavorsexpress?variant=39311214706746
https://flavorjungle.com/products/neotame-sweetener-by-flavorsexpress?variant=39311214706746
Dystopia
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- Jul 22, 2019
- 367
Okay, so I've just tested this. Initially I swished around about 100mg in water (too much and tastes kinda bad). Taking a small bit of the powder and rubbing it on your tongue was sweeter.
Now for the quantities I used:
~400mg of pentobarbital (Nembutal)
~200mg of Neotame
50ml of water
I didn't seem to feel this did much but managed to consume the 50ml in half a second. It still tasted pretty nasty but it was only about a 7/10. The after taste quickly takes a hold and the neotame definitely adds a strong element of sweetness so it doesn't feel as bitter to me. The after taste still persists
Tested this just now and have some good news.
So I mixed this:
50ml of water (Exactly)
~400mg Pentobarbital (Nembutal)
~200mg of Neotame (Likely still far too much)
I rubbed a tiny bit of powder on my tongue which left an extremely sweet taste in my mouth (this with honey would be ideal). However I then tested 100ml mixed with 10ml of water swished in my mouth and it felt quite off and not ideal ( I believe the spoon having touched the N mixture may have done this but I am unsure)
So I downed the 50ml in about half a second and the nasty taste hit me almost immediately while the nasty aftertaste took about 5-10 seconds to build up in intensity. The Neotame definitely detracts from the bitter element as well as masking the nasty aftertaste but you still get some overtones of this seeping through it is only unpleasant, not unbearable. It is easy to drink something after to get rid of this. I just had some blackcurrant squash and the neotame amplified the sweetness of this greatly (keep this in mind if you plan to drink or eat something afterwards). I would say subjectively the taste was about a 7/10 bad but was fine.
Now this was with C's N which is powder (64% sample so the 400mg is more like ~256mg at the purity and has also clumped/caked quite a bit since I first received it but it is not going to be used for CTB anyway). The community must remember the veterinary N is likely worse tasting as it contains ethanol and other sterility agents that I haven't been able to find a detailed list of. The "alcoholic bubblegum" taste another user here described likely seems accurate to me as high doses of neotame seem to taste like that in a way with a long aftertaste of pleasant sweetness (does feel a bit chemical but not like other sweeteners).
I hope this is of some use to the community. If anyone has any ideas of better concentrations to use or test please let me know and I may do another one in future. Although please try to remember I am trying to keep my sleep consistent and cannot use this chemical very regularly as it has a 24h period of aftereffects that are generally not pleasant. The high feels quite good for t+40m (not at the peak yet but this won't be useful for ctb purposes) it feels euphoric and feels like it sedates the whole body and feels quite heavy in nature and numbs bodily sensations a bit. This proves C's N still retains significant potency even when I haven't taken any measures to store it properly.
Hope this is of some help to the Community.
Now for the quantities I used:
~400mg of pentobarbital (Nembutal)
~200mg of Neotame
50ml of water
I didn't seem to feel this did much but managed to consume the 50ml in half a second. It still tasted pretty nasty but it was only about a 7/10. The after taste quickly takes a hold and the neotame definitely adds a strong element of sweetness so it doesn't feel as bitter to me. The after taste still persists
Tested this just now and have some good news.
So I mixed this:
50ml of water (Exactly)
~400mg Pentobarbital (Nembutal)
~200mg of Neotame (Likely still far too much)
I rubbed a tiny bit of powder on my tongue which left an extremely sweet taste in my mouth (this with honey would be ideal). However I then tested 100ml mixed with 10ml of water swished in my mouth and it felt quite off and not ideal ( I believe the spoon having touched the N mixture may have done this but I am unsure)
So I downed the 50ml in about half a second and the nasty taste hit me almost immediately while the nasty aftertaste took about 5-10 seconds to build up in intensity. The Neotame definitely detracts from the bitter element as well as masking the nasty aftertaste but you still get some overtones of this seeping through it is only unpleasant, not unbearable. It is easy to drink something after to get rid of this. I just had some blackcurrant squash and the neotame amplified the sweetness of this greatly (keep this in mind if you plan to drink or eat something afterwards). I would say subjectively the taste was about a 7/10 bad but was fine.
Now this was with C's N which is powder (64% sample so the 400mg is more like ~256mg at the purity and has also clumped/caked quite a bit since I first received it but it is not going to be used for CTB anyway). The community must remember the veterinary N is likely worse tasting as it contains ethanol and other sterility agents that I haven't been able to find a detailed list of. The "alcoholic bubblegum" taste another user here described likely seems accurate to me as high doses of neotame seem to taste like that in a way with a long aftertaste of pleasant sweetness (does feel a bit chemical but not like other sweeteners).
I hope this is of some use to the community. If anyone has any ideas of better concentrations to use or test please let me know and I may do another one in future. Although please try to remember I am trying to keep my sleep consistent and cannot use this chemical very regularly as it has a 24h period of aftereffects that are generally not pleasant. The high feels quite good for t+40m (not at the peak yet but this won't be useful for ctb purposes) it feels euphoric and feels like it sedates the whole body and feels quite heavy in nature and numbs bodily sensations a bit. This proves C's N still retains significant potency even when I haven't taken any measures to store it properly.
Hope this is of some help to the Community.
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Good info. I'm surprised that as strong as Neotame is, it did not mask the flavor all that much. That being said, I think I read somewhere that Neotames sweetness is not immediate, but the sweetness stays for a long period. Maybe you can test other sweeteners like stevia. It does seem like maybe putting some neotame in the mouth prior to drinking N may work since the sweetness supposedly lingers for quite a while.
Hey thanks for doing this test. I have done a sleep test with vet N and neotame and it didn't work very well for me to mask the taste although I don't know if I made the ideal ratio. I definitely added enough neotame to the 1ml of N that if it was going to be a significant help then I should have noticed an improvement in taste over taking it straight. Seems to me like for vet N you just have to commit to it. Perhaps honey to coat the mouth with Neotame but actually mixing the neotame with N doesnt seem to be very effective.
Off topic, but I was looking at the bottle of N I have used for my sleep tests and there are some small bubbles at the top of the liquid. Obviously a bit of air got in from when I used the syringe. The rubber has self sealed itself. My other bottle doesn't have the bubbles. Do you think this will effect the potency of the N?
Dystopia
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- Jul 22, 2019
- 367
Apologies for the message repeating. I had typed it out earlier and the website disconnected and bugged so the first half was messed up. I typed all of it out while the N wasn't affecting me as much so it took longer the second time around and I was considerably more intoxicated.
I just tasted some Neotame. It's definitely potent. I do know why people have said it doesn't help with the bitter taste of N….it's because it's actually bitter! Without a doubt, stevia is a better tasting sweet substance, but I don't know if it's strong enough.
I believe it'll be ok. I think we get too hung up on how much stronger an artificial sweetener is compared to sugar and use that info to attempt to sweeten N. Excess amounts of these sweeteners can be bitter, like Neotame is. I think maybe the equivalent of 5-8 teaspoons worth of sugar would be enough to sweeten 200ml of N. Anything way above that may cause bitterness if artificial sweeteners are used.
I've posted a pic to show how strong neotame is. That little bit of powder tastes like 2-3 teaspoons of sugar. I know because I put that in some espresso that I'm drinking lol. The black spoon is an average sized teaspoon. The small plastic spoon is to measure stevia and one scoop there is like a full teaspoon of sugar.
Thanks for sharing that. Are you finding the neotame less bitter in that quantity mixed into your espresso?
Yes, it's just like sugar or any other sweetener used in normal quantities. Sweeteners cannot be used in crazy quantities, unlike sugar. 25 spoons of sugar will probably just taste super sweet but the equivalent amount of sweetener will not…..
Yes, but how do you workout how many spoonfuls to put into 12g of N?
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If you're talking about the vet version of N, it's 200ml. I would estimate about 5-8 teaspoons of sugar or it's equivalent in sweetener's worth…..no more than 15. Beyond that, I think the sweetener will impart a bitter taste and be less effective. You have to understand that your goal is to make it reasonably drinkable and you're not trying to make it a super tasty drink or anything like that.Yes, but how do you workout how many spoonfuls to put into 12g of N?
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Yes, thank you. I wonder if I can try this out with water, I know it's not a bitter substance, but I just wanna determine at which point neotame becomes bitter instead of sweet. But 5-8 does sound about right. Really taken this seriously, as I've thrown up in other suicide attempts, and don't wanna mess up the holy grail - N.
Try it with a bitter drink. If you really want to put in the work, try it with kale juice or something. I'm not sure about the exact number of teaspoons full of sugar, but I am 100% sure that overkill with the amount of artificial sweeteners is not the way. Putting them straight on my tongue made them all taste bitter.
