Neotame and N

[xcaramel]

Hello friends

Prior to ctb I am looking into ways to mitigate a part of the awful taste of N. One of these ways include using sweetener while minimizing the amount of volume added.

I recently have ordered an artificial sweetener neotame, which is 7000-13000 times as sweet as sugar. My friend said he had a chemistry teacher synthesize neotame in the lab and he tried it and for a few weeks all he could taste was sweetness. So my plan is to not only add neotame to my N solution, but to try some neotame prior to ingestion so that I could hopefully taste only the sweetness of the neotame and not the disgusting vetinary liquid of N.

I know it's hard to have people who can report their experiences, but what are your guys' thoughts?

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Some additional information from Food Technology magazine. Neotame has its uses for flavor enhancement for pharmaceuticals and bitter chemicals to mask them.

Spoiler

• Flavor Modification and Enhancement. Neotame can also be used to modify or enhance a product's flavor—the combined perception of taste, smell, and aroma. Products containing vitamins, nutraceuticals, pharmaceuticals, salt substitutes, and soy in various applications are often either bitter or harsh in flavor. The addition of neotame at a subsweetening level modifies or masks undesirable notes/qualities such as bitterness, astringency, and burning or cooling sensations. Undesirable attributes, such as the potential bitterness of caffeine, cocoa, and potassium chloride and the harsh notes of medicinals and plant extracts, can be modified or masked.

 

[Smart No More]

Thank you for sharing this!


Will you be doing a taste test? It sounds like it has some promise. Anything that even lessened the horiddness would be great as long as it doesn't add more than say 1ml of mass.

Have you read the knmp pdf which lists the ingredients of the solution used in their euthanasia protocol? I think it's available at knmp.nl but if your search the forum for KNMG-KNMP_Euthanasie_Digi_ENG_DEF you should find the thread with the pdf download. It contains interesting and useful info on the protocols used in assisted suicide facilities.

 

[xcaramel]

Yes I will be doing a taste test. The neotame will be delivered tomorrow.

I am unsure though of the specifications of a safe amount of N to ingest, I heard around that it was around 1mL but I am not positive. I am pretty positive neotame would be soluble in the ethanol-like whatever that is in the N from what it smells like so it will dissolve without issue and add very little volume. And thanks for the tip about known procedures, I'll check it out.

 

[PerpetualPain]

Really curious if this significantly improves the taste of N.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Watching

 

[Smart No More]

Yes I will be doing a taste test. The neotame will be delivered tomorrow.

I am unsure though of the specifications of a safe amount of N to ingest, I heard around that it was around 1mL but I am not positive. I am pretty positive neotame would be soluble in the ethanol-like whatever that is in the N from what it smells like so it will dissolve without issue and add very little volume. And thanks for the tip about known procedures, I'll check it out.

That document contains an ingredients list which shows thw sweetners they use. I found it quite interesting and from what I gather most if not all are available online. It's a syrup (syrup simplex or something like that), a sweetner and star anise oil (one drop). The specific names are in there to find. Unfortunately my memory fails me right now.

Best of luck with your teste test. 1ml is often used. Some have used 2 IIRC. Of course exercise caution. Look forward to reading your findings.

 

[GentleJerk]

I would do a test before using N, with bitter gourd tea. Bitter gourd tea (or "dry bitter gourd") is the most bitter thing I've ever tasted. If it helps make bitter gourd easier to drink, then it might be worth considering.

But in my experience, sweet doesnt counteract bitter. Overly sweet things are just as unpalatable as bitter things. And there's a chance that combining the two might not help, or possibly make it worse if the bitterness remains and combines with the sickly sweet.

Whether you add a sweetener or not, I think a straw would help. Use a straw to drink liquid directly down the throat and avoid having it in the mouth as much as possible.

 

[stupidlife666]

I doubt it helps

 

[PerpetualPain]

Please report your findings as soon as you can

 

[xcaramel]

Hello friends!
I am excited to say I did a preliminary test. It definitely and most surely is very helpful. It tastes like an overtly sweet bubblegum. The taste of sweetness is still in my mouth.

For reference I mixed 0.5mL of N from D with <1g of neotame from Amazon after licking some neotame on my finger. This neotame is very potent and all I can taste is sweetness. The N with neotame tastes like extremely sweet alcohol, like bubblegum with an alchoholic and mild chemical aftertaste. Unfortunately I am unable to measure small amounts with my scale so I don't know the exact concentration I added. But I can say with confidence that the N is drinkable like this, way more than it is straight.

Further testing is needed.

 

[Snake of Eden]

@xLosthopex

Hello friends!
I am excited to say I did a preliminary test. It definitely and most surely is very helpful. It tastes like an overtly sweet bubblegum. The taste of sweetness is still in my mouth.

For reference I mixed 0.5mL of N from D with <1g of neotame from Amazon after licking some neotame on my finger. This neotame is very potent and all I can taste is sweetness. The N with neotame tastes like extremely sweet alcohol, like bubblegum with an alchoholic and mild chemical aftertaste. Unfortunately I am unable to measure small amounts with my scale so I don't know the exact concentration I added. But I can say with confidence that the N is drinkable like this, way more than it is straight.

Further testing is needed.

Good stuff thanks

 

[xcaramel]

Note: it is sickly sweet

 

[Johnjohn1]

Does neotame come in drops? If so, how many drops of it did you use? I am going to order some. Thank you so much for any feedback.

 

[xcaramel]

Does neotame come in drops? If so, how many drops of it did you use? I am going to order some. Thank you so much for any feedback.

No I ordered it in powder form. I used less than 1g. My scale isn't precise enough to measure less unfortunately. When I make my final N mixture, I will let you guys know the final proportion.

 

[Johnjohn1]

No I ordered it in powder form. I used less than 1g. My scale isn't precise enough to measure less unfortunately. When I make my final N mixture, I will let you guys know the final proportion.

Thank you. I just ordered the drops on Amazon. Thanks for the advice

Thank you. I just ordered the drops on Amazon. Thanks for the advice

No I ordered it in powder form. I used less than 1g. My scale isn't precise enough to measure less unfortunately. When I make my final N mixture, I will let you guys know the final proportion.

If you don't mind me asking For your sleep test, did you feel sleepy very quickly? I am on oxycodone and morphine for my pain and pain medications used to help a lot but they are no longer effective as my body has adapted and become tolerant. I read an article stating that sometimes death can take longer with nembutal for people that are on pain medications. This was discouraging to read. I read somewhere in the PPH book usually death occurs within an hour or two. I hope that I don't feel a whole lot when I'm unconscious. And I hope it doesn't take too long from the time of drinking the two bottles until I'm on conscious

 

[CiproKilledMe]

Where are you guys ordering your neotame from? Nothing comes up when I search for it on Amazon. I need some quickly.

 

[xLosthopex]

Where are you guys ordering your neotame from? Nothing comes up when I search for it on Amazon. I need some quickly.

Same here, can't find it
Found a link to one on Amazon but was out of stock
If I can't get it I might just go with a less strong one like xylitol, aspartame, stevia etc

 

[CiproKilledMe]

I wonder how Sucralose would compare.

 

[xLosthopex]

Is Neotame something that can be bought in real life, like in health food stores or supplement/gym type shops, does anyone know ?

 

[Johnjohn1]

I was thinking neotame what's related to monk fruit. AApparently it's not the same thing. I read an article online saying that it was similar. I don't really think it is.

 

[xLosthopex]

Just bought this and tried a drop on my tongue and in a cup of tea and it's incredibly sweet. Went with liquid stevia as opposed to powder so I won't have to worry about it dissolving in the N. I'll use this if I don't manage to source some neotame in the meantime

 

[xcaramel]

Neotame is soluble in N so you don't have to worry about buying a liquid to dissolve it. You just need to stir a little bit.

I don't know if you can find it in health food stores, it's a little obscure and usually I feel like those kinds of stores would sell natural sugar alternatives rather than this. It's worth a shot though.

Neotame is not similar to monk fruit because it is entirely artificial. The reason I have chose this sweetener is because it is very sweet per gram more so than a lot of other sweeteners. If you can't find neotame somehow I think aspartame would be comparable, but you would need to add a lot more for the same sweetness. But neotame is on Amazon right now from here, which is where I bought mine.

I still haven't done my final test to measure the ratio of neotame to N with 200mL and accurate grams of neotame, but I will let you guys know when I do.

 

[Dystopia]

I've thought of this before. Could probably test with old powder sometime.

Combine that with a source of one of these and we might be onto something:

Category:Bitter-masking compounds - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[StevieNixs]

Hello friends

Prior to ctb I am looking into ways to mitigate a part of the awful taste of N. One of these ways include using sweetener while minimizing the amount of volume added.

I recently have ordered an artificial sweetener neotame, which is 7000-13000 times as sweet as sugar. My friend said he had a chemistry teacher synthesize neotame in the lab and he tried it and for a few weeks all he could taste was sweetness. So my plan is to not only add neotame to my N solution, but to try some neotame prior to ingestion so that I could hopefully taste only the sweetness of the neotame and not the disgusting vetinary liquid of N.

I know it's hard to have people who can report their experiences, but what are your guys' thoughts?

...

Some additional information from Food Technology magazine. Neotame has its uses for flavor enhancement for pharmaceuticals and bitter chemicals to mask them.

Spoiler

• Flavor Modification and Enhancement. Neotame can also be used to modify or enhance a product's flavor—the combined perception of taste, smell, and aroma. Products containing vitamins, nutraceuticals, pharmaceuticals, salt substitutes, and soy in various applications are often either bitter or harsh in flavor. The addition of neotame at a subsweetening level modifies or masks undesirable notes/qualities such as bitterness, astringency, and burning or cooling sensations. Undesirable attributes, such as the potential bitterness of caffeine, cocoa, and potassium chloride and the harsh notes of medicinals and plant extracts, can be modified or masked.

This makes me wonder where Moringa seeds would also mitigate the taste. I have never tasted anything in my life as sweet as those seeds. But Neotame seems very promising for you. Good discovery!!

 

[PerpetualPain]

It seems very odd to me that between SS and PPH nobody has figured out a substance to make vet N taste better. Best I have heard is to coat your mouth with honey. I am hoping this neotame is legitimate. Please update us as soon as you can.

OP did the 0.5ml make u pass out?

 

[CiproKilledMe]

Received my neotame today and can confirm this stuff is crazy strong and indeed does taste a bit like bubblegum. Even after thoroughly washing my hands with soap and water, they still taste sweet--I'm assuming simply from handling the little baggy the neotame came in. I tried a tiny bit in a glass of water and it was quite overpowering. The sweetness stays in your mouth for a good amount of time so I think it would definitely be advantageous to swish around some neotame water prior to ingesting N like xcaramel was saying. Anyone else experiment with this stuff yet? Still wondering how much (if any) should be added directly to the N to minimize that nasty taste?

Overall I'm quite excited about this stuff! Just gotta get the recipe right

 

[StevieNixs]

Received my neotame today and can confirm this stuff is crazy strong and indeed does taste a bit like bubblegum. Even after thoroughly washing my hands with soap and water, they still taste sweet--I'm assuming simply from handling the little baggy the neotame came in. I tried a tiny bit in a glass of water and it was quite overpowering. The sweetness stays in your mouth for a good amount of time so I think it would definitely be advantageous to swish around some neotame water prior to ingesting N like xcaramel was saying. Anyone else experiment with this stuff yet? Still wondering how much (if any) should be added directly to the N to minimize that nasty taste?

Overall I'm quite excited about this stuff! Just gotta get the recipe right

So adding a bit of it to N wouldn't impact its efficacy?

 

[Johnjohn1]

Yes I would be very interested in adding neotame to the N thought I would have in a glass. I just don't know if it would cause any lack of efficacy with the N? Also, I think it probably is a good idea to switch them around in the mouth before ingesting and afterwards. Probably have a separate cup with some mixed in for afterwards

 

[subj]

Yes I would be very interested in adding neotame to the N thought I would have in a glass. I just don't know if it would cause any lack of efficacy with the N? Also, I think it probably is a good idea to switch them around in the mouth before ingesting and afterwards. Probably have a separate cup with some mixed in for afterwards

Can I ask what N is?

 

[OnlyTheWind]

Can I ask what N is?

Nembutal. A barbiturate used as a life-ending drug.