N protocol

[chris.watt]

Assuming one had a chance to get N, would the following protocol work (based on PPH):

1. Empty stomach.
2. Antiemetic - Cyclizine - only one i could get, i know it works differently from meto. 1x50mg tablet.
3. Wait 40min.
4. N, assume Halatal. 4x50ml = 200ml.
5. Followed by 50-100ml of spirit - vodka, gin.

 

[UaScorpioVetal224]

The question is how to get it N?)

 

[Dusk till dawn]

All of that sounds useless, but if you care about your body post-mortem you can fast for a few days, it'll prevent defecation, as for antiemetic, just take 30mg metoclopramide 1 hour prior to taking pentobarbital, if you want to feel calm or relaxed you can try alcohol or benzodiazepines or whatever helps you

 

[badatparties]

All of that sounds useless, but if you care about your body post-mortem you can fast for a few days, it'll prevent defecation, as for antiemetic, just take 30mg metoclopramide 1 hour prior to taking pentobarbital, if you want to feel calm or relaxed you can try alcohol or benzodiazepines or whatever helps you

He can't get meto.

 

[Ἡγησίας]

All of that sounds useless, but if you care about your body post-mortem you can fast for a few days, it'll prevent defecation, as for antiemetic, just take 30mg metoclopramide 1 hour prior to taking pentobarbital, if you want to feel calm or relaxed you can try alcohol or benzodiazepines or whatever helps you

I was going to open a new thread about this topic...

I would like to know if following the protocol is mandatory with PB method or you can act in a more impulsive manner.

I mean if it's needed to take antiemetic (meto in my case) during 3 days or if it's enough to take a triple dose one hour before the N.

I'm planning to take LSD three or four hours before in order to combat my fears and turn death more friendly.

Would it be a bad idea to add some benzodiazepines to make the stuff more potent? I guess it's not necessary considering my PB concentration is 200mg/ml...

 

[intr0verse]

I was going to open a new thread about this topic...

I would like to know if following the protocol is mandatory with PB method or you can act in a more impulsive manner.

I mean if it's needed to take antiemetic (meto in my case) during 3 days or if it's enough to take a triple dose one hour before the N.

I'm planning to take LSD three or four hours before in order to combat my fears and turn death more friendly.

Would it be a bad idea to add some benzodiazepines to make the stuff more potent? I guess it's not necessary considering my PB concentration is 200mg/ml...

Philip Nitschke seems to think vomiting is rare, at least if you're not too anxious about it, while Derek Humphrey (if i'm not mistaken) says preloading 72 hours before is a must. Data from the AS/VE organisations shows that indeed vomiting is a rare occurrence, but all their patients take metoclopramide; i think at Dignitas they just use a single dose 30 minutes before taking the N.
Have a look at this thread:
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-protocol-regime-regimen-notes.27092/

No need for benzodiazepines if enough N, they might just increase the risk of vomiting.

 

[black money boys]

you don't need a protocol for nembutal, if you want to drink you drink like an hour before taking the nembutal because that shit kills you within minutes you'll die before you get drunk if you drink afterwards

 

[brokenspirited]

The question is how to get it N?)

True

 

[badatparties]

Philip Nitschke seems to think vomiting is rare, at least if you're not too anxious about it, while Derek Humphrey (if i'm not mistaken) says preloading 72 hours before is a must. Data from the AS/VE organisations shows that indeed vomiting is a rare occurrence, but all their patients take metoclopramide; i think at Dignitas they just use a single dose 30 minutes before taking the N.
Have a look at this thread:
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-protocol-regime-regimen-notes.27092/

No need for benzodiazepines if enough N, they might just increase the risk of vomiting.

I think vomiting is also rarer at Dignitas because they use 15G of pure powered N mixed with like 50mL of water. They aren't drinking 200ml of diluted vet N. Yeah it's still bitter and everything but I'm sure the chance of vomiting is way less.

 

[intr0verse]

The question is how to get it N?)

Some say by flying to Peru...

I think vomiting is also rarer at Dignitas because they use 15G of pure powered N mixed with like 50mL of water. They aren't drinking 200ml of diluted vet N. Yeah it's still bitter and everything but I'm sure the chance of vomiting is way less.

It's not the taste (alone) that could cause the vomiting. It's the body reaction to a huge amount of an intoxicant. The remedy is to block the dopamine receptors in the vomiting centers to prevent this reaction.

 

[Dusk till dawn]

I was going to open a new thread about this topic...

I would like to know if following the protocol is mandatory with PB method or you can act in a more impulsive manner.

I mean if it's needed to take antiemetic (meto in my case) during 3 days or if it's enough to take a triple dose one hour before the N.

I'm planning to take LSD three or four hours before in order to combat my fears and turn death more friendly.

Would it be a bad idea to add some benzodiazepines to make the stuff more potent? I guess it's not necessary considering my PB concentration is 200mg/ml...

You don't need to take metoclopramide across 3 days, whoever said that doesnt know what he's saying or just being extra careful, 30mg metoclopramide is good enough, metoclopramide is moderately lipopholic (meaning it passes the brain blood barrier at a decent rate) it has high oral bioavailability (80%), It's water soluble so it gets absorbed in the GI tract relatively fast, it survives first-pass metabolism at a decent rate, peak plasma levels usually occur after 1-2 hours posts ingestion (this is when metoclopramide's effect is at it's strongest) it takes 5-6 for metoclopramide to be cleared from the body, once you ingest 30mg, metoclopramide it'll be active for like 3-4 hours after 1 hour of ingestion

You can take 30mg of metoclopramide 90 minutes prior to ingesting anything lethal, if you're paranoid and you want to be sure you will never vomit you can try to full emesis suppression through aggressive pharmacology (Metoclopramide for D2, Ondansetron for 5-HT, Aprepitant or rolapitant for NK1, Diphenhydramine or scopolamine for H1/M1) but this is overkill and unnecessary and just complicates things

If you're going to overdose on something problematic that takes time to be digested like hundreds of pills of something with low water solubility then it becomes justifiable to take 10mg of metoclopramide every 3 hours but you'll probably also need ondansetron or full emesis suppression in this scenario

As for LSD, personally i wouldn't recommend psychedelics, but if you can get your hands on opioids or powerful benzodiazepines like diazepam and xanax that would be ideal, also, keep in mind pentobarbital is still a barbiturate so naturally you would feel relaxed and calm once it's in effect, just not euphoric in the way opioids make you feel, so lsd and benzodiazepines might be useless if you're not seeking euphoria

 

[intr0verse]

You don't need to take metoclopramide across 3 days, whoever said that doesnt know what he's saying or just being extra careful, 30mg metoclopramide is good enough, metoclopramide is moderately lipopholic (meaning it passes the brain blood barrier at a decent rate) it has high oral bioavailability (80%), It's water soluble so it gets absorbed in the GI tract relatively fast, it survives first-pass metabolism at a decent rate, peak plasma levels usually occur after 1-2 hours posts ingestion (this is when metoclopramide's effect is at it's strongest) it takes 5-6 for metoclopramide to be cleared from the body, once you ingest 30mg, metoclopramide it'll be active for like 3-4 hours after 1 hour of ingestion

You can take 30mg of metoclopramide 90 minutes prior to ingesting anything lethal, if you're paranoid and you want to be sure you will never vomit you can try to full emesis suppression through aggressive pharmacology (Metoclopramide for D2, Ondansetron for 5-HT, Aprepitant or rolapitant for NK1, Diphenhydramine or scopolamine for H1/M1) but this is overkill and unnecessary and just complicates things

If you're going to overdose on something problematic that takes time to be digested like hundreds of pills of something with low water solubility then it becomes justifiable to take 10mg of metoclopramide every 3 hours but you'll probably also need ondansetron or full emesis suppression in this scenario

As for LSD, personally i wouldn't recommend psychedelics, but if you can get your hands on opioids or powerful benzodiazepines like diazepam and xanax that would be ideal, also, keep in mind pentobarbital is still a barbiturate so naturally you would feel relaxed and calm once it's in effect, just not euphoric in the way opioids make you feel, so lsd and benzodiazepines might be useless if you're not seeking euphoria

Also, antiemetics doesn't even have to cross the blood-brain barrier to be effective as the vomiting centers are outside of BBB. Preloading for 3 days could be useful (build up the antiemetic dose for efficiency?) in other OD's that takes longer to work. In some videos i've seen from Canada, the patients who choose to take the end-of-life drugs orally, the antiemetic is taken ~1h before the cocktail, which usually works in about 3 hours.