They don't give any explanation for the Meto 20-30mg range. Other groups say 30mg. I can't take 30mg at once, so I'll just take the meto over a 48 hour period.
Do you think it's okay to put some nut butter on the toast? Fasting is challenging with low blood sugar.
This is not a "comprehensive" write up. You should read the peaceful pill handbook (see forum resources area), plus learn to use the "search" function on this forum, etc. As always, do your own due diligence to check possible interactions, side effects, etc. Apply your own judgement and take responsibility for your choices and actions, doing your own research where needed. Apply the information intelligently to your case.
These regimes are not an exact science. People often make modifications to the details based on individual needs.
This guide is for "N". For an "SN" guide, see :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-a-comprehensive-guide-including-method.25148
"Meto" refers to Metoclopramide (anti-emetic)
There are 2 broad regimes :
1) take the meto over a 48 hour period
2) take a larger single meto dose, called a "stat dose"
Sample regimes :
Example times assume taking N at midnight (adjust to your timing accordingly)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
48 hour regime
Day 1
08:00 1 x 10mg meto
16:00 1 x 10mg meto
24:00 1 x 10mg meto
Day 2
08:00 1 x 10mg meto
15:00 begin fast
16:00 1 x 10mg meto
22:40 eat some tea and toast or something light - reduces vomiting risk
23:00 1 x 10mg meto (or possibly 3 x 10mg = 30mg)
24:00 take N
-------------------------------------------
"stat dose" regime
15:00 begin fast
22:40 eat some tea and toast or something light - reduces vomiting risk
23:00 3 x 10mg meto ( = 30mg)
24:00 take N
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Notes :
During your "planning" phase, a meto "test" should be done, using 1 x 10mg, to see if you get any "EPS" symptoms (involuntary moments/spasms), which could sometimes be sufficiently severe/disturbing to prevent any attempt. Most people don't get EPS, but if you do, then you may wish to re-evaluate (eg switch to domperidone anti-emetic). Apparently 50 mg of Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) can be used to treat EPS, so it may be wise to have that on standby. See "wikibooks antiemetic regimen" below for more info.
Some people believe the 48 hour regime gives better protection against vomiting and lower "EPS" risk. However, many prefer the stat regime as it's less "drawn out". Dignitas use the stat regime very successfully. The way to choose between the two is not very well defined, so make your choice based on your feeling and judgement after reading these notes.
( Derek Humphry - Final Exit author - suggests another alternative method of 1 x 10mg meto every hour, for 6 to 10 hours prior to taking the N, so you could go with that if it seems to better fit your situation ).
People who get unpleasant but "manageable" side effects from the meto test might opt for the stat regime, to avoid 48 hours of those effects.
Although the meto test (see above) is strongly recommended, some people skip it, and go for the stat dose, with the view that if they get EPS symptoms they won't last long before the final dose it taken. However, if the EPS were bad enough it could still prevent the attempt or make it difficult, so as ever you have to weigh the risks based on the specifics of your situation.
On the 48 hour regime, some people take 3 x 10mg for the final meto dose for extra anti-vomit protection, however some consider this an EPS risk, although you could do extra meto testing to check (see below).
The "old" meto doses were 60mg for stat, and 2 x 10mg at each interval for the 48 hour regime. These got revised to the "new" doses of 30mg for stat, and 1 x 10mg for the intervals. Some people use in between doses, eg 45mg stat dose. I don't have any data on how advisable this is. If using this approach, it may be wise to do additional meto testing.
Further meto testing notes : If planning to use the 30mg stat regime, if testing with 1 x 10mg goes smoothly, you might later wish to test with 2 x 10mg, and then later with 3 x 10mg. If planning to use the 48 hour regime, if testing with 1 x 10mg goes smoothly, you might later wish to test 1 x 10mg every 8 hours for 24 hours. To be as certain as possible, you could re-create the full meto schedule you plan to use.
Resources :
Suicide - Wikibooks, open books for an open world
en.m.wikibooks.org
Suicide - Wikibooks, open books for an open world
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-taste-guide-draft.26278/
My bottles do not have the ml and they are also shorter. Anyone else like this as well?
Yes mine doesn't have the ml either.
My bottles dont have the ML ribbles on the side. Are they fake? Have just received.
Looks very thorough, but I always thought it was a much simpler process, nothing more than just consuming the N. This is the impression I get from watching the documentaries about the Swiss non-profit organization Dignitas, which includes scene of the client drinking the N and going to sleep, eventually dying.This is not a "comprehensive" write up. You should read the peaceful pill handbook (see forum resources area), plus learn to use the "search" function on this forum, etc. As always, do your own due diligence to check possible interactions, side effects, etc. Apply your own judgement and take responsibility for your choices and actions, doing your own research where needed. Apply the information intelligently to your case.
These regimes are not an exact science. People often make modifications to the details based on individual needs.
This guide is for "N". For an "SN" guide, see :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-a-comprehensive-guide-including-method.25148
"Meto" refers to Metoclopramide (anti-emetic)
There are 2 broad regimes :
1) take the meto over a 48 hour period
2) take a larger single meto dose, called a "stat dose"
Sample regimes :
Example times assume taking N at midnight (adjust to your timing accordingly)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
48 hour regime
Day 1
08:00 1 x 10mg meto
16:00 1 x 10mg meto
24:00 1 x 10mg meto
Day 2
08:00 1 x 10mg meto
15:00 begin fast
16:00 1 x 10mg meto
22:40 eat some tea and toast or something light - reduces vomiting risk
23:00 1 x 10mg meto (or possibly 3 x 10mg = 30mg)
24:00 take N
-------------------------------------------
"stat dose" regime
15:00 begin fast
22:40 eat some tea and toast or something light - reduces vomiting risk
23:00 3 x 10mg meto ( = 30mg)
24:00 take N
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Notes :
During your "planning" phase, a meto "test" should be done, using 1 x 10mg, to see if you get any "EPS" symptoms (involuntary moments/spasms), which could sometimes be sufficiently severe/disturbing to prevent any attempt. Most people don't get EPS, but if you do, then you may wish to re-evaluate (eg switch to domperidone anti-emetic). Apparently 50 mg of Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) can be used to treat EPS, so it may be wise to have that on standby. See "wikibooks antiemetic regimen" below for more info.
Some people believe the 48 hour regime gives better protection against vomiting and lower "EPS" risk. However, many prefer the stat regime as it's less "drawn out". Dignitas use the stat regime very successfully. The way to choose between the two is not very well defined, so make your choice based on your feeling and judgement after reading these notes.
( Derek Humphry - Final Exit author - suggests another alternative method of 1 x 10mg meto every hour, for 6 to 10 hours prior to taking the N, so you could go with that if it seems to better fit your situation ).
People who get unpleasant but "manageable" side effects from the meto test might opt for the stat regime, to avoid 48 hours of those effects.
Although the meto test (see above) is strongly recommended, some people skip it, and go for the stat dose, with the view that if they get EPS symptoms they won't last long before the final dose it taken. However, if the EPS were bad enough it could still prevent the attempt or make it difficult, so as ever you have to weigh the risks based on the specifics of your situation.
On the 48 hour regime, some people take 3 x 10mg for the final meto dose for extra anti-vomit protection, however some consider this an EPS risk, although you could do extra meto testing to check (see below).
The "old" meto doses were 60mg for stat, and 2 x 10mg at each interval for the 48 hour regime. These got revised to the "new" doses of 30mg for stat, and 1 x 10mg for the intervals. Some people use in between doses, eg 45mg stat dose. I don't have any data on how advisable this is. If using this approach, it may be wise to do additional meto testing.
Further meto testing notes : If planning to use the 30mg stat regime, if testing with 1 x 10mg goes smoothly, you might later wish to test with 2 x 10mg, and then later with 3 x 10mg. If planning to use the 48 hour regime, if testing with 1 x 10mg goes smoothly, you might later wish to test 1 x 10mg every 8 hours for 24 hours. To be as certain as possible, you could re-create the full meto schedule you plan to use.
Resources :
Suicide - Wikibooks, open books for an open world
Suicide - Wikibooks, open books for an open world
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-taste-guide-draft.26278/
It shouldn't slow absorption. Your stomach would be empty by then. The light snack should be eaten after the 8 hour fast. You take meto shortly afterwards. The light snack is to help prevent vomiting
I understand where you're coming from, but I think the purpose to have a light snack is to counteract all the excess stomach acid after fasting. At least a couple crackers or something, that's what I'll be doing
If I could get more answers on this that would be helpful. I'm also curious as to what others will be having as a last meal and when.
A large meal 8 hours prior would negate all the efforts of a fast so honestly I would have that last meal the day before. It still serves the same purpose. I guess technically if you're fasting for 8hrs it could start at the end of your last big meal but I don't feel like an 8hr fast is going to be much of a useful fast overall so starting it with a large meal seems a bit of a bad idea though I may be wrong if you have a good/fast digestive system. Personally I've come to think that a 25hr fast is more appropriate/substantial and worthwhile and will have my last meal in line with that.
**Nvm.
No, it needs time to work. The recommendation is a stat dose of 30 mg one hour prior to N. And I wouldn't skip the fast. You don't want competing elements in your stomach.
How come in the PPH it says you can? It says "(30 mg at the same time)". Am I reading something wrong?
