N from D: Potential repeat of 2019 seizures and wellness visits

[Musketeer]

The Supreme Court case mentioned is no longer a PENDING case. It was finalized May 17 2021. They ruled that the officers were NOT justified in removing the guns under the 'community caretaking exception' to the 4th Amendment warrant requirement

Caniglia v. Strom (20-157)

Neither the holding nor logic of Cady v. Dombrowski justifies the removal of Edward Caniglia's firearms from his home by police officers under a "community caretaking exception" to the Fourth Amendme…

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Would this apply to sn though? It also wouldn't apply to wellness checks done under the community care taking exception.

 

[NobodyKnowsMe]

Would this apply to sn though? It also wouldn't apply to wellness checks done under the community care taking exception.

What the ruling basically says is they were not allowed to go in and seize the weapons without a search warrant just because of the 'community care" crap. That same ruling would apply to them going into your house and taking SN without a warrant. It specifically does apply to wellness checks. It was a wellness check that prompted those officials to take that man's guns to begin with. The ruling is saying that the wellness check is not enough reason to seize the guns without a warrant.

 

[Musketeer]

What the ruling basically says is they were not allowed to go in and seize the weapons without a search warrant just because of the 'community care" crap. That same ruling would apply to them going into your house and taking SN without a warrant. It specifically does apply to wellness checks. It was a wellness check that prompted those officials to take that man's guns to begin with. The ruling is saying that the wellness check is not enough reason to seize the guns without a warrant.

the op is claiming it's happening, perhaps that was before the ruling i will not know, best to protect yourself from unwanted visits from police anyways. (this includes wellness checks)

 

[NobodyKnowsMe]

the op is claiming it's happening, perhaps that was before the ruling i will not know, best to protect yourself from unwanted visits from police anyways. (this includes wellness checks)

In the case of N or SN being seized at someone's home in the US, my guess is that it was voluntarily given up, probably after LE implied that things would be worse for the person if they didn't give it up. One account specifically said that they voluntarily gave it up after LE said they knew the person had it. Another case said that their parent gave it up.

LE could not search the home without a warrant, even under the 'community care' exemption. However, if they are invited in and they see N, they could seize it because it is an illegal drug in the US.

If they came in and saw SN, they could not seize that because it is not illegal. If they thought that the person had it for self-harm, they could take the person away for a psych eval.

 

[Musketeer]

In the case of N or SN being seized at someone's home in the US, my guess is that it was voluntarily given up, probably after LE implied that things would be worse for the person if they didn't give it up. One account specifically said that they voluntarily gave it up after LE said they knew the person had it. Another case said that their parent gave it up.

LE could not search the home without a warrant, even under the 'community care' exemption. However, if they are invited in and they see N, they could seize it because it is an illegal drug in the US.

If they came in and saw SN, they could not seize that because it is not illegal. If they thought that the person had it for self-harm, they could take the person away for a psych eval.

You'd still want to avoid that scenario! While your in the psyche ward they could be getting a warrant to seize your N.

 

[wljourney]

the op is claiming it's happening, perhaps that was before the ruling i will not know, best to protect yourself from unwanted visits from police anyways. (this includes wellness checks)

Sorry but AT NO POINT did I claim that police was going into homes and seizing items without a warrant.

Yes, items were surrendered voluntarily after LE came for wellness checks and pressured people into giving up their items.

But please don't claim that I said something that clearly never happened.

Thanks!

 

[Musketeer]

Sorry but AT NO POINT did I claim that police was going into homes and seizing items without a warrant.

Yes, items were surrendered voluntarily after LE came for wellness checks and pressured people into giving up their items.

But please don't claim that I said something that clearly never happened.

Thanks!

ok, my apologies i must have misinterpreted what you wrote than.

 

[wljourney]

ok, my apologies i must have misinterpreted what you wrote than.

Thank you.

 

[Message In A Bottle]

Do you think SN could be seized the same way N can if LE already visited my home before for N?

 

[wljourney]

Do you think SN could be seized the same way N can if LE already visited my home before for N?

No, how would they even know what you are ordering and what you use it for?
SN is a legal substance to possess.

The only situation i can think of is that a family member or roommate finds it, gets suspicious, assumes you are in danger to CTB and calls 911/ LE to come and remove you for your own safety (and the item itself could then be seized for harm reduction).

 

[Message In A Bottle]

No, how would they even know what you are ordering and what you use it for?
SN is a legal substance to possess.

The only situation i can think of is that a family member or roommate finds it, gets suspicious, assumes you are in danger to CTB and calls 911/ LE to come and remove you for your own safety (and the item itself could then be seized for harm reduction).

Well I was thinking maybe I am on their radar now because they know I am "a danger to myself" and are now keeping an eye on what I purchase. I am just paranoid it will happen again.

I'm aware it is a legal substance but still, you know how pro life people like to stick their noses in peoples business about CTB. I'm not as worried about family as I am LE.

Maybe I am being overly cautious. But I kinda have to be after everything that's happened.

 

[wljourney]

Well I was thinking maybe I am on their radar now because they know I am "a danger to myself" and are now keeping an eye on what I purchase. I am just paranoid it will happen again.

I'm aware it is a legal substance but still, you know how pro life people like to stick their noses in peoples business about CTB. I'm not as worried about family as I am LE.

Maybe I am being overly cautious. But I kinda have to be after everything that's happened.

Yes that's understandable. Absolutely. But police don't have the resources to intercept mail. Not for people who are "just suicidal". You are not flagged as a trafficker or dealer.
I would just make sure your family doesn't find it.

 

[faunaaaa]

Thank you for these posts and the information. N is the only way I think I want to go. I hope the situation gets better soon

 

[waiting4thenextbus]

After reading some posts here, I'm now concerned that my N is not real. Sending it off to Spain for testing isn't something that PN covers anywhere. Customs is a major stumbling block.

Hey, did you manage to send it off for testing? Which month did you receive your N if I may ask? Could you please let us know the results? I know that someone had their N from D tested in January, (see post: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/i-tested-n-from-d.82829/)

But I have not seen test results from more recent purchases (April and May purchases).

Thanks in advance :)

 

[Tortured Existence]

Hey, did you manage to send it off for testing? Which month did you receive your N if I may ask? Could you please let us know the results? I know that someone had their N from D tested in January, (see post: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/i-tested-n-from-d.82829/)

But I have not seen test results from more recent purchases (April and May purchases).

Thanks in advance :)

Yes, it's been sent off and just found out the next stop is in the city where the lab is! I will definitely post as soon as I get the results.

Hey, did you manage to send it off for testing? Which month did you receive your N if I may ask? Could you please let us know the results? I know that someone had their N from D tested in January, (see post: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/i-tested-n-from-d.82829/)

But I have not seen test results from more recent purchases (April and May purchases).

Thanks in advance :)

Oops! I forgot to put the month I received it, and it was May.

The taste the poster described in the link sounds like a better description than I've been able to give. I'm pretty sure it's the same, but at least this test will tell if it's N, not just a barbiturate.

I was using about 5ml with all my other sleeping medication, and I think I slept through the night a couple times. Other times, I woke up in 4 hours. I'm a very thin female, so I have concerns, but more about the other meds interfering.

But 5ML doesn't compare to 2 bottles which, I think, is an OD no matter what.

 

[lostmyacc]

Yes, it's been sent off and just found out the next stop is in the city where the lab is! I will definitely post as soon as I get the results.

Oops! I forgot to put the month I received it, and it was May.

Following. I am interested to know results

 

[Seeking_Peace]

Do you need a license to test it/send to lab considering the substance? I would like to test mine too when I get it.

 

[justagreenleaf]

Any updates of the legal issues/LE visits through Exit? I'm really hoping to order soon (next month). Thanks

 

[wljourney]

Any updates of the legal issues/LE visits through Exit? I'm really hoping to order soon (next month). Thanks

I haven't heard anything new since my last post (a while ago). Though I don't have access to the exit forum. Just here.

It's been fairly calm. Lots of people seem to message D, but it seems he is currently out of stock again (until July).
No updates yet - neither on successful deliveries not on intercepted mail.

 

[justagreenleaf]

You're my favourite informative sea lion!

 

[waiting4thenextbus]

Yes, it's been sent off and just found out the next stop is in the city where the lab is! I will definitely post as soon as I get the results

That's fantastic news, thanks for the update and for providing the info to us in this forum! Looking forward to the results!

Oops! I forgot to put the month I received it, and it was May.

Ahh okay, great! I received mine mid April, so we probably have the same batch (I mean, maybe - who knows).

The taste the poster described in the link sounds like a better description than I've been able to give. I'm pretty sure it's the same, but at least this test will tell if it's N, not just a barbiturate.

I'm actually somehow not worried about the taste, but I've read it's vile... I will still use things like honey/chocolate to avoid this taste. And that's great you're getting it tested for the presence of N, not just any barbiturate

I was using about 5ml with all my other sleeping medication, and I think I slept through the night a couple times. Other times, I woke up in 4 hours. I'm a very thin female, so I have concerns, but more about the other meds interfering.

But 5ML doesn't compare to 2 bottles which, I think, is an OD no matter what.

Hmm, interesting - I've heard that less puts other people to sleep for over 12 hours, you must have really bad insomnia! (It's also one of my struggles). But yeah I think anyone would be good to CTB with 2 bottles.

Anyway, thanks for the update and I'm looking forwards to the result of the test :). I'm sure a lot of this community will appreciate it.

 

[justagreenleaf]

It is such a dream to go peacefully. Why is everything so hard in life INCLUDING dying

 

[Smart No More]

Hey, did you manage to send it off for testing? Which month did you receive your N if I may ask? Could you please let us know the results? I know that someone had their N from D tested in January, (see post: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/i-tested-n-from-d.82829/)

But I have not seen test results from more recent purchases (April and May purchases).

Thanks in advance :)

Just to be clear, the person in the link you posted tested their own N using a test used to test people's urine for drugs. It displayed as Barbiturates positive which is in line with it being positive for N. However the tests referred to by those sending their N off is a more precise test whivh brings back full contents of the sample. :)

 

[Medicmedic72]

Interesting. I myself can say my emails with him seemed legit. Won't say too much but his long acceptance email has grammatical errors like a non-native English speaker would have and he actually tells certain people not to order from him. It's hard to vouch for those weird responses. Even the LE would do better than those
mentioned above or maybe they had the wrong address.

Also I'm the one who caused a scare with the sleep tests but no where I know of has the proper factors and details. My friend's very long history with benzos must have some effect. The PPeH doesn't recommend a sleep test. I only see scattered references on this site.

I was told there were grammatical errors as well. I actually commented to them in an email that I was surprised as how good the English was as I thought he was not a native English speaker.

I am wondering now.
Also, remember that the info on this thread is just giving more to LE if they are watching the site. Be careful what you post.

 

[Secrets1]

See the need to emphasize and clarify a few things, also going to post in the other thread to hopefully ease some anxious minds:

- No one has ever been arrested for buying N with intent to CTB in North America, correct?

- LE may be watching these boards hoping for info that leads to a big break or trends to spot more easily. It's hard to imagine them making investments to investigate an issue that no prosecutor has filed charges for. It's far fetched to believe they're using resources to identify and target anonymous posters here who may or may not follow through on obtaining N. LE will likely only show up at your door if your information is handed to them on a silver platter.

- In a related matter, what has led to more deaths N or fent?

- If buying N don't advertise who you are. Use BTC. If you don't know how to use BTC and are willing to pay $700 to obtain N for a peaceful exit… you should be willing to learn how to use BTC. There are tons of resources out there, it takes a few days but is not that hard. Especially when compared to other struggles we deal with in life that landed us in this board to begin with.

- I assume LE would prefer to catch packages instead of track down delivered ones giving someone the chance to CTB. Knocking on a door after delivery points to recognizing a shipping pattern at customs after a discovery of N at their facility. They still have no conclusive evidence you received N after seizing a couple bottles.

- If LE had justification to enter the house without permission they would just do it. If they had a search warrant it'd be announced immediately.

- If LE comes to your house just don't say a word. Don't say you want your lawyer. Stand at the door, shrug your shoulders at them and act like you're mute. They understand what the end result of that is and will give up easier.
It creates no room to provide them a reason to ask deeper questions, enter your house or take you to a psych ward involuntarily.

I understand it's a stressful situation, especially for some people. However, you need 0 experience of dealing with cops to handle this the best way possible. Because by law you don't have to say a single word. LE lies as a standard tactic. Don't pay attention to what they say about this issue.

- D has been operating long enough in an area with the right structure for his type of business. All evidence points to him having an established, strong shipping strategy. Not perfect, but damn good at evading LE. And keeping himself safe.


Hence, from my perspective the only real thing at risk when getting N is losing your $. Which everyone knows and accepts.

 

[waiting4thenextbus]

Just to be clear, the person in the link you posted tested their own N using a test used to test people's urine for drugs. It displayed as Barbiturates positive which is in line with it being positive for N. However the tests referred to by those sending their N off is a more precise test whivh brings back full contents of the sample. :)

That's great news! So the test will be even more accurate. Thanks for letting me know!

 

[Tortured Existence]

That's fantastic news, thanks for the update and for providing the info to us in this forum! Looking forward to the results!

Ahh okay, great! I received mine mid April, so we probably have the same batch (I mean, maybe - who knows).

I'm actually somehow not worried about the taste, but I've read it's vile... I will still use things like honey/chocolate to avoid this taste. And that's great you're getting it tested for the presence of N, not just any barbiturate

Hmm, interesting - I've heard that less puts other people to sleep for over 12 hours, you must have really bad insomnia! (It's also one of my struggles). But yeah I think anyone would be good to CTB with 2 bottles.

Anyway, thanks for the update and I'm looking forwards to the result of the test :). I'm sure a lot of this community will appreciate it.

Yes, I have EXTREMELY BAD insomnia

 

[Advisor321]

Is anyone here from Europe (Germany, Poland, Chech Republic, Austria) that had any problems with police or other Law Enforcement while obtaining N from D?

 

[Zerengin96]

How are N purchases getting busted right when D is out of stock? I must be out of the loop about something.

Yeah, i Messaged him a Couple days ago and He Said He is Out of Stock for a while now until July.

 

[Advisor321]

Within the last 3 days I have had
- 2 reliable reports of packages being seized before they were delivered. (CAN/USA)
- 2 reports of packages being "stuck" in the "warehouse" w/o further details available. (EU/USA)
- 1 credible report of "wellness check" by LE after package was seized (CAN)
- 1 credible report of "wellness check" by LE and seizure of package after it was delivered (including being escorted to a mental health evaluation) (USA)
- 1 fairly credible report of seizure of N and wellness check (user posted in forum) (USA)
- 1 unconfirmed reports of seizure of N while person was away from home (user replied to forum post). (USA).

So far the number of successfully delivered packages still outweighs those that were intercepted.

However I would like anyone who just ordered or is planning to order to be aware and prepared.

See sense here.... Mexican LE wouldn't be able to sell fake N and then tell US and Canadian LE to do wellness checks off the back of it. Think about it, why would they even inform anyone if they were running a racket. Its fucking crazy! Listen to yourself. Even if they were doing that LE can't entrap someone and then pay them a wellness visit to seize a substance that's fake and will be proved to be so in subsequent tests.

Sure, something is going on. Wellness checks are happening. Police aren't looking for busts though. They don't give a shit about end users and convicting people for possession. I do know a little about these things and have experience. That's all I'll say but rest assured you're working without all the facts or a full understanding of how law enforcement are motivated. Either they're following a list of matching packages from the courier service used or they've intercepted some communications from D' s email address. It seems like the checks and seizures we're currently aware of are in Canada and the US. As I said, it's clear something is going on and it's not a good time to order from D. Nobody is refuting that but getting all 'clever' about it and putting 2+2 together on assumptions is counter productive and ultimately pointlessly wrong.

So my question is, as I'm reading this thread, the biggest problem is actually US customs, right?
Because no-one here has written anything about Custom Control in their country, when the package will reach its destination like European countries (custom control outside USA/Canada).